Originally posted by Whobdamandog
So is anyone going to even answer my question about the Gorilla vs Trained Martial artist? Or is this whole density/mass/durability argument just another way to talk yourselves out of another valid argument?
I already explained why it's not valid. At least to me, at any rate.
Originally posted by jinzin
i think he can...so many people who fight at speeds of a street level have....i mean hell spiderman almost died at the hand of the surgeon general....wtf....it's not like he untouchable by any means especially when he's being compared to extremely talenteds h2h fighters...i.e. white ninja (a human whom he had to beat via plot device...hmmmm)
Again with the plot devices...you have to disregard a lot of inconsistencies in the comics. I've seen all characters get beaten by loosers at one time or the other.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellPeople TRAIN to hit more effectively, but I can lob your head off with a punch, which was more effective?
So do you mean that a martial artist who has trained for years can't take down a Silverback Gorilla? Nonsense I tell you..I thought martial arts enabled people to do things like that. 😆 😆
Originally posted by whobdamandogYou got me, I wouldn't be surprised if I heard something.
So do you mean that a martial artist who has trained for years can't take down a Silverback Gorilla? Nonsense I tell you..I thought martial arts enabled people to do things like that. 😆 😆
I want to go to where I first started posting on this thread...
Originally posted bywhobdamandog
So is anyone going to even answer my question about the Gorilla vs Trained Martial artist? Or is this whole density/mass/durability argument just another way to talk yourselves out of another valid argument?
If a human martial artist spent most of his time mastering different forms of martial arts and then confronts a gorilla the martial artist is going to put a fight...but it is not going to be a fight and besides the gorilla has built in weapons its share size and those big massive K9's
Well if the martial artist finds a sharp metal rod his chances of surviving the gorilla just increased....And when he fights he does not exactly goes head to head..
Or better yet if the martial artist had a spear the gorilla is as good as dead because you are getting the one thing you need against the gorilla distance...it is going to be the martial artist friend in this bout.
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
If a human martial artist spent most of his time mastering different forms of martial arts and then confronts a gorilla the martial artist is going to put a fight...but it is not going to be a fight and besides the gorilla has built in weapons its share size and those big massive K9'sWell if the martial artist finds a sharp metal rod his chances of surviving the gorilla just increased....And when he fights he does not exactly goes head to head..
Or better yet if the martial artist had a spear the gorilla is as good as dead because you are getting the one thing you need against a gorilla distance...it is going to be the martial artist friend in this bout.
Like I said though, you would have to SLOWLY deviate to have a chance.
So the more you talk, the more you are inadvertently proving my point.
you would NEED a weapon, and then it wouldn't be worth the effort of getting close.
You could fight a tiger with a knife. If you were lucky enough to win, you wouldn't like the results.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Like I said though, you would have to SLOWLY deviate to have a chance.So the more you talk, the more you are inadvertently proving my point.
you would NEED a weapon, and then it wouldn't be worth the effort of getting close.
You could fight a tiger with a knife. If you were lucky enough to win, you wouldn't like the results.
And I did not deviate
Martial arts does not just teach people to be single minded....they teach us to be think thanks on two legs...if a situation calls for the use a weapon go ahead and use it but if you can complete that situation with out using a weapon good for who ever it is....You see said animals like tigers and gorillas already have built in defense and offensive mechanisms....it is entirely on fair for the martial artist to just go at the animal with out any weapons of their own....but now if you give a weapon to the martial artist it is not going to be fair for the animal....because fair for us means a big disadvantage for them.
Besides martial arts also teaches people to use weapons and whobdamandog did not say that the martial artist is going at it with just their bare hands.
Originally posted by Wanderer259
Marvel disagrees.
No they don't. The current scale is very vague..Captain America is definately on the lower end of the 3 ranking..while SM is definitively on the higher end..good try though..😄
Wolverine can apply sufficient force, however.
Enough force to hurt him..maybe..enough force to break his bones..I don't know..he hasn't done been able to do it as of yet with strength alone..
Actually, Batman breaks bricks and solid oak planks at will.
Actually...now that I think about it.. I'd have to say that SM's muscles/bone structure are actually denser than that of a brick...hard to say how much though..
Originally posted by WhobdamandogNo they don't. The current scale is very vague..Captain America is definately on the lower end of the 3 ranking..while SM is definitively on the higher end..good try though..
I try. 🙂 They are, however, in the same tier or 'class' of durability. The levels are vague, but intentionally so in order to blur the lines between characters and what they can do in comparison. Spider-Man isn't too much more durable than Captain America. Who knows, really? I don't know the 'durability range' that the stat runs off of; I only know that the Strength stat has to be pretty broad unless Marvel is revamping their system from the old 'Class #'.
Enough force to hurt him..maybe..enough force to break his bones..I don't know..he hasn't done been able to do it as of yet with strength alone..
True. Then again, I don't know if he's even ever tried or been in a position to do so.
Actually...now that I think about it.. I'd have to say that SM's muscles/bone structure are actually denser than that of a brick...hard to say how much though..
Back-pedaling? 😄
Originally posted by lifeisaglichOr better yet if the martial artist had a spear the gorilla is as good as dead because you are getting the one thing you need against the gorilla distance...it is going to be the martial artist friend in this bout. [/B]
Well I never stated that the Martial artist had access to a weapon in this scenario, however, since you've now given him one..lets give the gorilla something to even up this battle. Okay the new ability for the Gorilla will be..a precognative ability to sense when the martial artist is going to attack. Who has the better chance of winning this battle now, the trained martail artist..or the psychic gorilla?
Originally posted by Wanderer259
I try. 🙂 They are, however, in the same tier or 'class' of durability. The levels are vague, but intentionally so in order to blur the lines between characters and what they can do in comparison. Spider-Man isn't too much more durable than Captain America.
Well seeing as how on the strength scale 4 goes from like 2,000 to 20000 lbs..I'd say that the durability scale is probably similar in its vagueness...
Back-pedaling? 😄
No not really..I just realized I made a bad guesstimate...human bone density has been equated to be denser than certain types of rock. So I felt it necessary to make an adjustment..I could have stated that he was roughly as dense if not more so dense than that of steel, seeing as how he's demonstrated the ability to dent steel beams and the like..however..I didn't want to sound to fanboyistic.. 😉
Originally posted by lifeisaglichit is entirely on fair for the martial artist to just go at the animal with out any weapons of their own....
Why is it unfair? The Gorilla is using its natural abilities in this battle..as will the trained martial artist, Just like Batman and SM in this scenario..
So who has the better chance of winning in these two Scenarios below..
The Gorilla vs the Trained Martial Artist?
The Psychic Gorilla vs the Trained Martial Artist with a spear?
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Well I never stated that the Martial artist had access to a weapon in this scenario, however, since you've now given him one..lets give the gorilla something to even up this battle. Okay the new ability for the Gorilla will be..a precognative ability to sense when the martial artist is going to attack. Who has the better chance of winning this battle now, the trained martail artist..or the psychic gorilla?
The gorilla.....now give the martial artist a find deductive reasoning skills and....now because all it can do when the spider sense kicks in is to move to safety.... you can't beat animal instincts.....now who wins