Yeah but there's dialogue that GL may not have intended but the author just put in there to put more emotion into the text. I consider all novels EU because GL didn't necessarily mean for everything in the novels to be considered in the movies. In the movie (unless I've fogotten) no one ever mentions that Jocasta Nu had any such thoughts about Dooku so we don't know for sure. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that was in the movie.
Uh the "books" arent necessarily the novels. Yes i know novels are books, but the books refer to the shadows of the empire and stuff like that. Novelizations are the movies in written form. You heard of editing a movie? Well parts that were taken out of the movie for time reasons, will still be in the novel. So theyre not considered EU. EU means beyond the movies.
Originally posted by ArthasKnightAs I said, the novels are all approved by GL. He sits down with the authors and gives them the layout and everything. A lot of the scenes in the book that are not in the movie are deleted scenes. some didn't even make it to the DVD but it doesn't mean that they are not a true part of the story.
Yeah but there's dialogue that GL may not have intended but the author just put in there to put more emotion into the text. I consider all novels EU because GL didn't necessarily mean for everything in the novels to be considered in the movies. In the movie (unless I've fogotten) no one ever mentions that Jocasta Nu had any such thoughts about Dooku so we don't know for sure. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that was in the movie.
Originally posted by jedijunky1138
AND JUST HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS AS FACT? Did you even read the AOTC novel? Probably not so I will tell you what I'm basing my assumptions on.
1) IN THE NOVEL (which was approved by GL) I read that Jokasta had secret feelings for Dooku. There are photos that I found on Google of Obi-Wan and Jokasta speaking about a statue of Dooku. In the book this is the scene where we find out about here feelings.2) Dooku is no longer a Jedi he would have been noticed fooling around with the archives.
Now if Dooku were to find out about Jokasta's feelings he could use them to influence her into erasing the archives. I think that the reason the scene with Obi and Jocasta talking about the statue was deleated was because it would have given this away.
1)Yes but that was in the novel.....which i DID read.....i dont read EU as im not an EU fan BUT i DO read the movie novels as im a SW MOVIE FAN
as far as im concerned chewie aint dead,there aint no Mara Jade,there aint no Thrawn and there certainly aint no BOLLUX!
and the clip with the statue was deleted so it doesnt matter.
mebbe old wrinkly jocasta snuck dooku into the jedi library after hours to fiddle with her archives eh??????????
this is Star Wars NOT THE GOLDEN GIRLS!!!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by cylob49Your argument is way weak Cylob (no offence). You have no case here. I backed my theory up with facts.
1)Yes but that was in the novel.....which i DID read.....i dont read EU as im not an EU fan BUT i DO read the movie novels as im a SW MOVIE FAN
as far as im concerned chewie aint dead,there aint no Mara Jade,there aint no Thrawn and there certainly aint no BOLLUX!and the clip with the statue was deleted so it doesnt matter.
mebbe old wrinkly jocasta snuck dooku into the jedi library after hours to fiddle with her archives eh??????????
this is Star Wars NOT THE GOLDEN GIRLS!!!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by ArthasKnight
Yeah but there's dialogue that GL may not have intended but the author just put in there to put more emotion into the text. I consider all novels EU because GL didn't necessarily mean for everything in the novels to be considered in the movies. In the movie (unless I've fogotten) no one ever mentions that Jocasta Nu had any such thoughts about Dooku so we don't know for sure. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that was in the movie.
What you consider to be EU is totlally irrelevant; it is not a subjective matter. The novels are not EU any more than a turnip is. I have made the definitions of these things very clear in my thread about canon up the top- do not confuse EU and non-canon as the same thing.
And even then, the novels are semi-canon, though using them as sources is notably dodgy.
Okay Ush, no offense, but what IS relevant to you? In nearly every post I read that you wrote you say that something is irrelevant. If we all spoke of something that was relevant we'd all be boring stiffs. Keeping everything rigid and staying "relevant" can be a bit boring. We all get a little off topic sometimes. And 'relevant' is a subjective term too.
And by the way, something someone believes is NEVER irrelevant.
Pfft. Don't be ridiculous. If someone believes blue is red, is that relevant, or is he just totally wrong?
Do you think Matrix Reloaded is a Star Wars film? Of course not.
The only things that are EU are those that are published under the umbrella of BEING EU. It is not a term for us to apply by opinion, it is a factual state of being. The novelisations are NOT part of the EU, by definition, any more than they are Noddy stories.
So your opinion as to what is EU or not is not at all relevant, because that is down to fact, not opinion, so what you think makes absolutely no difference, and if you claim otherwise you are simply totally wrong. So most certainly in this case, talking irrelevancy is a waste of time.
Originally posted by jedijunky1138
Your argument is way weak Cylob (no offence). You have no case here. I backed my theory up with facts.
Wouldnt say it was weak but i guess well just have to wait til April.
Ill no doubt have a beer after ive watched ep3 AND if you ARE RIGHT..... ill have a drink on you whilst i eat my own head.
"The novelisations are NOT part of the EU, by definition, any more than they are Noddy stories...."
only because it states that it is EU on the cover? that would mean EXPANDED Universe is a registered name then. if somebody rights a novel in the form of a movie, theyre expanding on that story. in the SW world, the writers of the novels are expanding on the SW universe= EXPANDED UNIVERSE. unless what your'e saying is that EU is a registered name like i asked before, then that would make sense.
So if GL released a DVD with never before seen scenes, that further explained things or had extra dialog, that was originally IN the move but was cut for time reasons....than thats EU?
No of course not...you can write more in a book than you can put in a movie, theres no time constraints. Theres a part when OB1 is talking to Vader in ANH, as you know, and all we know that says, "you cant win Darth, if youstrike me down I will....." . OK, but that entire scene he says something about if HE killed Vader then if Vader struck him doen.....now im sure thats in the novel...so is that EU....no its not.
EU refers to the stories that other people write and they just have to run the general idea by GL being that theyre using his title. i.e the story where Luke joins the darkside and then comes back to the lightside.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Pfft. Don't be ridiculous. If someone believes blue is red, is that relevant, or is he just totally wrong?Do you think Matrix Reloaded is a Star Wars film? Of course not.
The only things that are EU are those that are published under the umbrella of BEING EU. It is not a term for us to apply by opinion, it is a factual state of being. The novelisations are NOT part of the EU, by definition, any more than they are Noddy stories.
So your opinion as to what is EU or not is not at all relevant, because that is down to fact, not opinion, so what you think makes absolutely no difference, and if you claim otherwise you are simply totally wrong. So most certainly in this case, talking irrelevancy is a waste of time.
What I was saying is that what someone believes should not just be thrown aside because it is important to that person, it's an insult to the person to be shot down because they believe something that is contrary to a popular belief. And excuse me, but it is my opinion that the novelisations of the movies are EU because we don't see the same things in the film. We can't tell what the characters are thinking at any particular moment because we're not some omnipotent author. And isn't opinion what this forum is about? Everyone's opinion about a given topic with the right to say what they believe? Calling my beliefs irrelevant is completely contrary to the nature of this forum.