X-Men Origins: Wolverine

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Magneto's story would not be complete without adding his friendship with Xavier and the subsequent riff between their ideologies; it's an integral part of X-Men lore and would serve to explain the further develop their relationship in the primary X-Men series.

Magneto's story is incredibly complex in nature. I'm sure you know some of the philosophical and political allegories within it, things that simply do not exist in Wolverine's tale. That's not to say Wolverine doesn't have a lot of potential- his past is fascinating and would work as both a conspiracy and a revenge flick- but I'm simply more interested in Magneto's origins.

Don't you think that's slightly unfair to the people who have enjoyed the X-men movies at their rating and then a % of people not able to watch Wolverine because it's at a higher rating than the X-men movies? since it's a spinoff film.

Dude, i completely agree with you and thats why i don't think Magneto should be made into a movie just yet. To properly tell Magnetos' story we will need a NEW actor to portray Magnus as well as Xavier. Magnetos' story is very detailed. It's straight forward. There is only one way you can tell his story. Where as Wolverine, well, his story can be told a thousand and one different ways. This is why i said that he has the better background for a solo movie. I don't see the need to have a Magneto movie or a Wolverine movie Why not just dedicate a twenty minute segment to his story in a much broader movie, like Watchmen? This is where i remember, there is hundreds of millions of dollars involved so big chances are rarely taken.

Originally posted by MildPossession
Don't you think that's slightly unfair to the people who have enjoyed the X-men movies at their rating and then a % of people not able to watch Wolverine because it's at a higher rating than the X-men movies? since it's a spinoff film.

It's like here in the UK, we have a television series called Doctor Who that is suitable for all the family, yet it got its own spinoff series called Torchwood and it was a disappointment to a lot because it wasn't a family series, it contained strong language, violence and sexual scenes that a lot of people here wouldn't want their 6 year old to see. A lot of parents found it difficult to explain to their kids that they couldn't watch Torchwood when it's connected to a family show I believe.

Can do excellent films at a PG-13/12 certificate ratings, see the Dark Knight... rating isn't an excuse in my eyes. 😛

I'm sure the PG-13 will hold back it's true potential. Those people who grew up with the x-men movie's are of age now and then there are the COUNTLESS number of fans who have grown up with Wolverine from his inception. Why can't the adults ever get a goddamn adult comic book movie? Why is it that the graphic novels which are readily available to people of all ages are more violent and and mature than the live action movies? No, it wouldn't be unfair. it would be smart. The X-men in general BEG for an R rating. This is why i would rather see fully realized cg movies than more stupid, dumb-shit, nonsensical revamps, of the x-men be made into live action movies. Look at the cg cutscenes for the x-men video games. They're far more engaging than anything that ALL of the x-men movies combined have produced.

True but an R Rating and a lack of holding back doesn't always guarantee a good film. I point to the disappointment known as Watchmen as proof of that. That movie had the potential to revive the R rated comic book genre and it performing below expectations probably took the wind out of that sail, lol

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
Look at the cg cutscenes for the x-men video games. They're far more engaging than anything that ALL of the x-men movies combined have produced.

Really? I seem to recall The Official Game (the one set between 2 & 3) having the worst cutscenes I've ever seen. It just had loads of still pictures...

Originally posted by Mindset
Maybe you're blinded by your Wolverine love, there was nothing good about the movie.

They just threw a bunch of popular mutants into the movie and hoped for the best.

But I guess that's just my opinion.

funny to see the deadpool poster-boy criticising cap for his wolverine love and adding that up as to why he likes the film.

Is there really any wonder why Mindset wouldn't? 🙄

Originally posted by mr.smiley
I thought the FOX cartoon did Cyclops great.

I think Cyke was weak in the movies,but I was always hoping that they were building him up to the characer we see him as in the comic books today.
Too bad we never got to see that.

i like the fox cartoon's interpretation. they did make him a bit wooden at times, but i think they got the jist of the character.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
Justice in characterizing him as the misogynist dick he is in the comics?

he is not, nor has he ever been, a misogynist.

I'm sure the PG-13 will hold back it's true potential. Those people who grew up with the x-men movie's are of age now and then there are the COUNTLESS number of fans who have grown up with Wolverine from his inception. Why can't the adults ever get a goddamn adult comic book movie? Why is it that the graphic novels which are readily available to people of all ages are more violent and and mature than the live action movies? No, it wouldn't be unfair. it would be smart. The X-men in general BEG for an R rating. This is why i would rather see fully realized cg movies than more stupid, dumb-shit, nonsensical revamps, of the x-men be made into live action movies. Look at the cg cutscenes for the x-men video games. They're far more engaging than anything that ALL of the x-men movies combined have produced.

Calm down dear, it's only a commercial... opps sorry.

One word, Inferno. Cyclops is singularly responsible for how out of hand that got. Granted based on the tie-in issues, if it weren't for Madelaine, Typhoid would have probably become the Goblyn Queen but she wouldn't have made Havok her king or had part of the Phoenix Force to work with in trashing NYC with demons. Seriously, I realize this is getting off topic in regards to this thread but read back and realize what a huge ass Summers has been to women including Lee, Madelaine, Jean, Psylocke, and his own daughter.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
One word, Inferno. Cyclops is singularly responsible for how out of hand that got. Granted based on the tie-in issues, if it weren't for Madelaine, Typhoid would have probably become the Goblyn Queen but she wouldn't have made Havok her king or had part of the Phoenix Force to work with in trashing NYC with demons. Seriously, I realize this is getting off topic in regards to this thread but read back and realize what a huge ass Summers has been to women including Lee, Madelaine, Jean, Psylocke, and his own daughter.

he went back to madelyne. she had disappeared. he'd left the x-men for her.

the demise of his marriage to jean was as much her fault as it was his.

psylocke? what did he ever do to psylocke?

Originally posted by Darth Jello
One word, Inferno. Cyclops is singularly responsible for how out of hand that got. Granted based on the tie-in issues, if it weren't for Madelaine, Typhoid would have probably become the Goblyn Queen but she wouldn't have made Havok her king or had part of the Phoenix Force to work with in trashing NYC with demons. Seriously, I realize this is getting off topic in regards to this thread but read back and realize what a huge ass Summers has been to women including Lee, Madelaine, Jean, Psylocke, and his own daughter.

Well I've recently found out that what he happened to Maddie and her being the GQ was for the better. The alternative was Scott staying with her and moving on from the X-Men, growing old and being only a "reserve" member which would've happened to all the X-Men and we would have a new line up of mutants every X amount of years.

As Raoul said Jean was equally to blame.

I'ts ok.

As I wrote earlier, "Marvel Knights" intends on coming out with more rated "R" Marvel movies so there's still hope.

I think it may be a bit hard to transition pop marvel into the "Marvel Knights" banner cause of the loss of the traditional target audience: Kids. Lotsa kids. And alot of kids equals alot of money.

Like i don't see "Spiderman" or "X-men" or "Hulk" or "Ironman" doing Marvel knights even though that would be the super-ultra bad ass kick of Jesus to do that, but those titles are made to make tons of dough. Making them "R" rated films would bring in less dollars.

But i easily see something like "Daredevil", "Ghost Rider", or "Black Panther" etc, or other less popular comic characters, make more money under "Marvel Knights" as a "R" film than they would if they were rated pg13. As was the case with "Daredevil".

But, alike i wrote, and at the end of the day, more than the film being a movie, it's a business. And the bottom dollar counts more here.

Originally posted by jinzin
funny to see the deadpool poster-boy criticising cap for his wolverine love and adding that up as to why he likes the film.

Is there really any wonder why Mindset wouldn't? 🙄

I guess everyone else who didn't like the film was because they were Deadpool "poster boys", yea that's it, it can't be that it wasn't a good movie.

Also, tell me where I criticized him for liking Wolverine, I said that is probably the reason he liked it, even though most people don't find the film to be good, and the reason he thought this was better than any of the Spiderman movies.

fail facepalm

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
I'm sure the PG-13 will hold back it's true potential. Those people who grew up with the x-men movie's are of age now and then there are the COUNTLESS number of fans who have grown up with Wolverine from his inception. Why can't the adults ever get a goddamn adult comic book movie? Why is it that the graphic novels which are readily available to people of all ages are more violent and and mature than the live action movies? No, it wouldn't be unfair. it would be smart. The X-men in general BEG for an R rating. This is why i would rather see fully realized cg movies than more stupid, dumb-shit, nonsensical revamps, of the x-men be made into live action movies. Look at the cg cutscenes for the x-men video games. They're far more engaging than anything that ALL of the x-men movies combined have produced.

I fully agree, bro. Very well said.

Originally posted by SelinaAndBruce
True but an R Rating and a lack of holding back doesn't always guarantee a good film. I point to the disappointment known as Watchmen as proof of that. That movie had the potential to revive the R rated comic book genre and it performing below expectations probably took the wind out of that sail, lol

Woah woah woah...it didn't do very well?

Seriously?

It was so awesome that I put it in my top 25 movies. I LOVED the shit out of it.

On another note, stupid dumbass parents took their 4 year olds to this movie. One day became so embarassed during the Owl on Silk scene that he took is 6-7 year old son out of the film until it was over. Needless to say, I was rather pissed that I had to put up with little shits whining and loud ass mouths in a rated R film.

Anyway, Watchmen was kick ass. Very good. If others didn't like it, it's because their stupid. 😄

IMO, I would have liked to see all of the Comic films be as real and true to the violence and other things that would make them rated R. I disagree that the PG-13 rating allows for awesome movies to be made that should be made as R. Trying to achieve that rating certainly does hold back creativity and frustrates the hell of the director. The "unrated" DVDs should be evidence of that frustration. Stupid damn box-office quotas holding back films.

If a director knew he or she would get just as many movie watchers, you had better damn well believe that they would make the film every bit rated R as possible. I think The Dark Knight could have used content that earned it an R rating. The Joker's character seemed "out of character" at times because The Joker didn't get to do certain things because it had to stay PG-13. I'm quite sure the character could have been developed more and the grisly and violent nature of his questionable sanity could have been better explored through his violence that we never get to see. Chime someone saying, "But, it shows how intelligent the film was by conveying that stuff in between the lines." NOT. There's a difference between "understanding" what happens and seeing it. There's a big difference to the audience...because the character development is in the eyes of the audience and every writer SHOULD know that.

I must say that I will be disappointed that Origins will not be R. The scene after he wakes up right after adamantium infusion, alone, should make it R. That means that they had to cut back on what happens GREATLY to keep it at R. This, to anyone slight fan of Wolverine, should piss people off. However, if this movie is as good as I think it is, it should go down as one of my top 10 movies. 😄

So from what I made of it, Liev Schriber isn't really Sabretooth is he?
I mean I guess you could make the connection,but I don't recall him ever being called Sabretooth in the film.
They always call him Victor. (which was Sabretooths name,though I think they make him out as another character)
Unless I missed something.

Yea, he's Sabretooth.

Originally posted by dadudemon

If a director knew he or she would get just as many movie watchers, you had better damn well believe that they would make the film every bit rated R as possible. I think The Dark Knight could have used content that earned it an R rating. The Joker's character seemed "out of character" at times because The Joker didn't get to do certain things because it had to stay PG-13. I'm quite sure the character could have been developed more and the grisly and violent nature of his questionable sanity could have been better explored through his violence that we never get to see. Chime someone saying, "But, it shows how intelligent the film was by conveying that stuff in between the lines." NOT. There's a difference between "understanding" what happens and seeing it. There's a big difference to the audience...because the character development is in the eyes of the audience and every writer SHOULD know that.

The Joker killed a guy with a pencil through his head, put a bomb in a guys stomach, etc. How did he seem out of character, and how would more violence change that?

Originally posted by Mindset
I disagree, adding more violence to TDK would not have made the story any better.

I agree. Story != character development. Character development is more for the viewer. If things are seen and implied instead of just mostly implied, the story stays the same, but the audience experiences something else about the character that wasn't there before.

Originally posted by Mindset
The Joker killed a guy with a pencil through his head, put a bomb in a guys stomach, etc. How did he seem out of character, and how would more violence change that?

It was fast, no blood, no aftermath, and no preparation is given to the audience for that moment.

Indeed. That was quite grisely. Very nicely done.

I've already explained why. You can disagree with me. That's fine. If I ever get anything put on the big screen, then you'll see the difference in character development and "plot experience" with my version of how things should be.

If you disagree with me, still, then I cite you all of the "directors cut" versions out there.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I agree. Story != character development. Character development is more for the viewer. If things are seen and implied instead of just mostly implied, the story stays the same, but the audience experiences something else about the character that wasn't there before.

It was fast, no blood, no aftermath, and no preparation is given to the audience for that moment.

Indeed. That was quite grisely. Very nicely done.

I've already explained why. You can disagree with me. That's fine. If I ever get anything put on the big screen, then you'll see the difference in character development and "plot experience" with my version of how things should be.

If you disagree with me, still, then I cite you all of the "directors cut" versions out there.

How did he seem out of character, and what certain things didn't he do because it was a pg-13 movie? I just do see how a more 'Hostel'-like experience would make Joker a better character, and it's not that I'm just staunchly disagreeing with you, I want to see your rationale.

To my knowledge TDK doesn't have a directors cut, and directors cuts don't always mean it will have material that would make the movie bumped to a higher rating level. And while some movies may benefit from having more breathing room in what they can show, that does not mean that that is the case for all movies.

Originally posted by Kovacs86
Really? I seem to recall The Official Game (the one set between 2 & 3) having the worst cutscenes I've ever seen. It just had loads of still pictures...

I meant the other games, homie. The Ultimate Alliance series. 😉

Originally posted by MildPossession
Calm down dear, it's only a commercial... opps sorry.

Wasn't moaning at you baby, just took the opportunity to voice some fanboy angst 😛