Homosexuality: Chosen or Genetic?

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Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Are you serious? You're comparing a male chauvinist to a homosexual?

Oh man, I think even Whob would find that out there.

I've known I was gay since I was three, I discussed that in an earlier post. Maybe in another thread. So, what experience did I encounter that brought me to that conclusion at such a young age? Are you contending that my mother raised me to be gay, because she was a single mother? My father was around until I was 9, don't you think that if homosexuality set in after that age, that I would have chosen to be straight?

So, if I chose to be gay because I was raised by a single mother then I'm also a chauvinist because of my single mother?

Goog god, your not exactly steering with all thrusters, are you?

Maybe your dad changed more than your diaper in that crib, who knows?

You were born with a penis, which is biologically engineered to go into the vagina of a woman and impregnate her.

No matter how far we have "advanced", or how many dogs and frogs can be seen screwing each other from time to time, .... you can't change that fact.

(you're mind is right, and your body is wrong?..... change your mind.)

That said I don't hate gay people with some blinding fury like Whob.

On the contrary, I love them. I love everybody, we are all God's kids.

Not that I would use it to say "see, look I'm okay with gayness", but point of fact, I had a few gay friends in high school. (typical straight, white male, they were all lesbians 🙄 )

I didn't hate them. I don't now. I don't agree with what they do, but I also don't agree with alot of things.

I hope you understand that Capt.

I'm not a biggot, and not a hate-monger.

I don't think homosexuality is natural, but niether is Jim Carrey in drama movies.

(as far as a gay chauvenist, though, that's entirely possible. Think of Eminem, raised by a druggie, slutt, mother, cheated on by his wife, a homophobe,... he's about 1 step shy of being gay and a chauvenist.) 😄

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Maybe your dad changed more than your diaper in that crib, who knows?

Excuse me?

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Excuse me?

I understood what he's getting at CF.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I understood what he's getting at CF.

Of course I understand what he's getting at.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Of course I understand what he's getting at.

just checking.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Actually I speak of 2 individuals.

I thought that's what this was about,... an individuals preference for their sex life.

I thought it had nothing to do with what people think as a whole.

Anyway, did you have an answer for my question?

Anne thinks that all men are inherently chauvenistic.

Do you agree?

Why or why not?

If not, (if some men become that way due to choices/environment/upbringing).. how can you say that all gay people are inherently gay?

and the point is you are full of it...ding ding ding

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Maybe your dad changed more than your diaper in that crib, who knows?

How dare you insinuate something like this? Is that what Jesus would do? Enjoy being reported, you sanctimonious prick. banned

Originally posted by sithsaber408
You were born with a penis, which is biologically engineered to go into the vagina of a woman and impregnate her.

No matter how far we have "advanced", or how many dogs and frogs can be seen screwing each other from time to time, .... you can't change that fact.

(you're mind is right, and your body is wrong?..... change your mind.)

That said I don't hate gay people with some blinding fury like Whob.

On the contrary, I love them. I love everybody, we are all God's kids.

Not that I would use it to say "see, look I'm okay with gayness", but point of fact, I had a few gay friends in high school. (typical straight, white male, they were all lesbians 🙄 )

I didn't hate them. I don't now. I don't agree with what they do, but I also don't agree with alot of things.

I hope you understand that Capt.

I'm not a biggot, and not a hate-monger.

I don't think homosexuality is natural, but niether is Jim Carrey in drama movies.

(as far as a gay chauvenist, though, that's entirely possible. Think of Eminem, raised by a druggie, slutt, mother, cheated on by his wife, a homophobe,... he's about 1 step shy of being gay [B]and a chauvenist.) 😄 [/B]

How do you explain the fact that homosexuals are biologically different from heterosexuals, i.e. the brain structure, inner-ear, and fingerprints of homosexuals are different than those of heterosexuals, and that homosexuals are genetically different from heterosexuals, i.e. homosexuals share a genetic marker and stretches of DNA that are not shared by heterosexuals?

Okay, I'm gonna ask you guys to drop ANY antigonist comments and maintain any prejudice remarks OUT of this thread.

sithsaber408 be more considerate to your fellow members by keeping such comments out of this thread.

Originally posted by Lightningrod
and the point is you are full of it...ding ding ding

God I love KMC!!!

It never gets old having the points of my posts ingnored and be ridiculed(badly, I might add) by kids who are younger than my baby sister.

Oh, wait.... did you have anything of substnace to add?

Now for Capt.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Excuse me?

Look maybe it wasn't your dad.

Maybe they went out for the evening a few times and left you with a sicko babysitter, do you have older brothers, or sisters? cousins who used to come over?

I don't even mean that your siblings/cousins (if you have them) were being perverted,... kids play and experiment,.. its innocent. (you show me yours, I'll show you mine,etc...)

In any event, you don't know what happened in your young life.

You say you were gay at three,... I can't even remember anything from when I was three.

I start at around 5 or 6, with flashes and feelings before that, but no concrete memoires of feeling a certain distinction between me and my friends as you say you do. (not saying you're wrong... just remarkable 🙂 )

You came out of the womb with all the equipment to be with a girl.

That is the natural state of things.

While I don't know you, I would venture a guess that something happened in your early years (perhaps more than once) to make you feel as though sexual thoughts/feelings about boys was good.

Since you don't know what happened during those years, you can't say that I'm wrong.

I doubt that your parents would tell you if they knew of some abuse, and chances are they might not have even known about it in the first place.

(Just as I can only go on what I'm told happened to me in my childhood.)

Do you remember the "games" you and your friends would play at 3?

Just curious.

In any event, as I said,... I have love for you Capt.

Truly. I don't hate you.

I don't think that you were "born gay" but that doesn't make me like you any less.

🙂

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Now for Capt.

Look maybe it wasn't your dad.

Maybe they went out for the evening a few times and left you with a sicko babysitter, do you have older brothers, or sisters? cousins who used to come over?

I don't even mean that your siblings/cousins (if you have them) were being perverted,... kids play and experiment,.. its innocent. (you show me yours, I'll show you mine,etc...)

In any event, you don't know what happened in your young life.

You say you were gay at three,... I can't even remember anything from when I was three.

I start at around 5 or 6, with flashes and feelings before that, but no concrete memoires of feeling a certain distinction between me and my friends as you say you do. (not saying you're wrong... just remarkable 🙂 )

You came out of the womb with all the equipment to be with a girl.

That is the natural state of things.

While I don't know you, I would venture a guess that something happened in your early years (perhaps more than once) to make you feel as though sexual thoughts/feelings about boys was good.

Since you don't know what happened during those years, you can't say that I'm wrong.

I doubt that your parents would tell you if they knew of some abuse, and chances are they might not have even known about it in the first place.

(Just as I can only go on what I'm told happened to me in my childhood.)

Do you remember the "games" you and your friends would play at 3?

Just curious.

In any event, as I said,... I have love for you Capt.

Truly. I don't hate you.

I don't think that you were "born gay" but that doesn't make me like you any less.

🙂

If you insinuate that I was sexually abused as a child one more time, I will make it my personal duty to make sure you're banned from this site.

Take the moderators advice and keep your face shut.

I know damn well that if I had been abused, I would have been told by my mother. She's always been tragically honest with me. The mere fact that you blame homosexuality on some sort of childhood abuse is evidence of just how ill-informed you are in matters of this world.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
God I love KMC!!!

It never gets old having the points of my posts ingnored and be ridiculed(badly, I might add) by kids who are younger than my baby sister.

Oh, wait.... did you have anything of substnace to add?

Now for Capt.

Look maybe it wasn't your dad.

Maybe they went out for the evening a few times and left you with a sicko babysitter, do you have older brothers, or sisters? cousins who used to come over?

I don't even mean that your siblings/cousins (if you have them) were being perverted,... kids play and experiment,.. its innocent. (you show me yours, I'll show you mine,etc...)

In any event, you don't know what happened in your young life.

You say you were gay at three,... I can't even remember anything from when I was three.

I start at around 5 or 6, with flashes and feelings before that, but no concrete memoires of feeling a certain distinction between me and my friends as you say you do. (not saying you're wrong... just remarkable 🙂 )

You came out of the womb with all the equipment to be with a girl.

That is the natural state of things.

While I don't know you, I would venture a guess that something happened in your early years (perhaps more than once) to make you feel as though sexual thoughts/feelings about boys was good.

Since you don't know what happened during those years, you can't say that I'm wrong.

I doubt that your parents would tell you if they knew of some abuse, and chances are they might not have even known about it in the first place.

(Just as I can only go on what I'm told happened to me in my childhood.)

Do you remember the "games" you and your friends would play at 3?

Just curious.

In any event, as I said,... I have love for you Capt.

Truly. I don't hate you.

Continue posting like this, and you will not be postin here much longer. banned

Originally posted by sithsaber408
I don't think that you were "born gay" but that doesn't make me like you any less.

🙂

How do you explain the fact that homosexuals are biologically different from heterosexuals, i.e. the brain structure, inner-ear, and fingerprints of homosexuals are different than those of heterosexuals, and that homosexuals are genetically different from heterosexuals, i.e. homosexuals share a genetic marker and stretches of DNA that are not shared by heterosexuals?

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
If you insinuate that I was sexually abused as a child one more time, I will make it my personal duty to make sure you're banned from this site.

Take the moderators advice and keep your face shut.

I know damn well that if I had been abused, I would have been told by my mother. She's always been tragically honest with me. The mere fact that you blame homosexuality on some sort of childhood abuse is evidence of just how ill-informed you are in matters of this world.

All right man, I apologize.

I won't mention it around you again.

(It is a vital part of my side's assertation that sexual orientation is determined through environmental factors and not at birth. But, why should I be allowed to present my full case? I'm "the cold-hearted Christian" after all. I shouldn't be allowed to present any other possiblities than the ones that you think are true.)

You don't have to worry, I was just being hypothetical.

For the record: I am not stating that you were abused by anyone in anyway, shape, or form.

(I believe that many, if not all, homosexual people were affected by things in childhood, but I will keep that belief generic, and not specific.)

You can continue to be specific that all Christians are wrong, and hate everbody, and with all their lovey-dovey of life and irrational desires for morality means that I am all those things, and you can rest assured that I won't report you, Adam, AC, or anyone else who says such things about me.

I am sorry you were offended Capt.

You can take solace in that I will never allow that to happen again. 🙂

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Continue posting like this, and you will not be postin here much longer. banned

How do you explain the fact that homosexuals are biologically different from heterosexuals, i.e. the brain structure, inner-ear, and fingerprints of homosexuals are different than those of heterosexuals, and that homosexuals are genetically different from heterosexuals, i.e. homosexuals share a genetic marker and stretches of DNA that are not shared by heterosexuals?

Adam, you refer to a study that was done on a small group of people, and is inconclusive at best.

How many people were involved in that study again?

A minority right?

(Just like the "minority" of people that I mentioned choosing homosexuality, or making it past single motherhood in the Abortion thread. Once again, you can use types of arguments that I cant. Guess it's cool for you, but only when it suits your purposes.)

Sexual abuse simply can't be linked to homosexuality. There was a study done on a thousand homosexuals that involved learning about their background and how they were raised. Compared to heterosexuals, the homosexuals were not reared any differently, nor were they exposed to any traumatic events.

The question with this theory is, why aren't more of the people who have been sexually abused as children--very young children, even--homosexuals? I've read though a number of cases in which people were horribly sexually and physically abused as children and they all grew up as healthy, heterosexual individuals. (This does not mean that they didn't have any ****ed-uppedness, but still.)

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Anyway, did you have an answer for my question?

Anne thinks that all men are inherently chauvenistic.

Do you agree?

Why or why not?

I admit that I don't even know what 'chauvenistic' means. 😕

Originally posted by sithsaber408
All right man, I apologize.

I won't mention it around you again.

(It is a vital part of my side's assertation that sexual orientation is determined through environmental factors and not at birth. But, why should I be allowed to present my full case? I'm "the cold-hearted Christian" after all. I shouldn't be allowed to present any other possiblities than the ones that you think are true.)

You don't have to worry, I was just being hypothetical.

For the record: I am not stating that you were abused by anyone in anyway, shape, or form.

(I believe that many, if not all, homosexual people were affected by things in childhood, but I will keep that belief generic, and not specific.)

You can continue to be specific that all Christians are wrong, and hate everbody, and with all their lovey-dovey of life and irrational desires for morality means that I am all those things, and you can rest assured that I won't report you, Adam, AC, or anyone else who says such things about me.

I am sorry you were offended Capt.

You can take solace in that I will [B]never allow that to happen again. 🙂 [/B]

Your argument that homosexuality is determined by environmental factors is not supported by any scientific evidence.

According to extensive research by the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychoanalytic Association, and the American Psychological Association there is currently no scientific evidence that sexual orientation is learned or can be changed.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Adam, you refer to a study that was done on a small group of people, and is inconclusive at best.

How many people were involved in that study again?

A minority right?

(Just like the "minority" of people that I mentioned choosing homosexuality, or making it past single motherhood in the Abortion thread. Once again, you can use types of arguments that I cant. Guess it's cool for you, but only when it suits your purposes.)

This is not the conclusion of a single study but of over 30 years of scientific and genetic research:

In 1991, Simon LeVey, neuroanatomist for the Salk Institute, found that the INAH3 structure of the hypothalamus in homosexual men is twice as small as those of heterosexual men, more closely resembling those of heterosexual women.

Seven years later, findings published in the March edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences by researchers at the University of Texas - Austin report that the cochlea structure in homosexual women more closely resembles that of heterosexual men.

In both studies, the difference in the structures of homosexuals is attributed to hormone exposure in the womb, evidence that sexual orientation has a biological substrate.

A fingerprint study by J.A.Y. Hall and D. Kumura at the University of Western Ontario at London ON Canada found that a significant percentage of homosexuals have excess ridges on their left hand digits compared to their right hand digits, a characteristic that was not shared by heterosexuals.

This study shows a genetic link to sexual orientation that is determined before birth as fingerprints are fully developed in a fetus before the 17th week and do not change thereafter.

A study by Psychologist Michael Bailey of Northwestern University and Psychiatrist Richard Pillard of Boston University found that if one sibling is homosexual the likelihood of an identical twin also being homosexual is 52%, the likelihood of a fraternal twin being homosexual is 22%, and the likelihood of a genetic or non-genetic sibling being homosexual is 10%.

They also found that in most instances in which identical twins are separated at birth and one twin is homosexual, the other twin is also homosexual.

This study shows that sexuality has a genetic component and is not determined by life experiences.

Dean Hamer at the National Cancer Institute examined the DNA of 40 homosexuals and found that ALL shared a genetic marker in the Xq28 region of the X chromosome.

Camperio-Ciani of the University of Padua - Italy found that there is no single "gay gene" but rather several genes responsible for sexual orientation. He identified that genetic components are indeed linked to the X chromosome and that there are other components likely to be on other chromosomes as well.

Findings published in the March issue of the biomedical journal Human Genetics by Brian Mutanksi of the University of Illinois at Chicago in conjunction with Pennsylvania State University, the University of California - Los Angeles, the University of California - San Diego, the National Institutes of Health, and the National Science Foundation report, after combing the entire human genome for genetic determinants of male sexual orientation, identifying them in stretches of DNA on chromosomes 7, 8, and 10.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
All right man, I apologize.

I won't mention it around you again.

(It is a vital part of my side's assertation that sexual orientation is determined through environmental factors and not at birth. But, why should I be allowed to present my full case? I'm "the cold-hearted Christian" after all. I shouldn't be allowed to present any other possiblities than the ones that you think are true.)

You don't have to worry, I was just being hypothetical.

For the record: I am not stating that you were abused by anyone in anyway, shape, or form.

(I believe that many, if not all, homosexual people were affected by things in childhood, but I will keep that belief generic, and not specific.)

You can continue to be specific that all Christians are wrong, and hate everbody, and with all their lovey-dovey of life and irrational desires for morality means that I am all those things, and you can rest assured that I won't report you, Adam, AC, or anyone else who says such things about me.

I am sorry you were offended Capt.

You can take solace in that I will [B]never allow that to happen again. 🙂 [/B]

Sanctimonious prattle. Underlined is thinly veiled code for sexual abuse. Your "point" is just a baseless prejudice.

If particular Christians on this forum have brought dislike upon themselves it is most likely due to them posting idiotic statements. Case-in-point.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Sanctimonious prattle. Underlined is thinly veiled code for sexual abuse. Your "point" is just a baseless prejudice.

If particular Christians on this forum have brought dislike upon themselves it is most likely due to them posting idiotic statements. Case-in-point.

That it neccesarily means sexual abuse is your assumption.

It could also be having the influence/guidance of a gay parent/sibling/friend.

Or could be due to social reasons, like Willie, who felt un-masculine living with gangsters and dope dealers, because he couldn't fight.

Oh, I forgot, he's a fake person, or an anomaly.

Not representative of anybody else like him. 🙄

Wether you or anyone likes me or not is your business.

I disagree with your guys point of view, but I don't have any personal problems with you.

Lastly, that was a real apology from me to Capt.

Please don't tarnish it by throwing YOUR sanctimonious prattle in the mix.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
All right man, I apologize.

I won't mention it around you again.

(It is a vital part of my side's assertation that sexual orientation is determined through environmental factors and not at birth. But, why should I be allowed to present my full case? I'm "the cold-hearted Christian" after all. I shouldn't be allowed to present any other possiblities than the ones that you think are true.)

You don't have to worry, I was just being hypothetical.

For the record: I am not stating that you were abused by anyone in anyway, shape, or form.

(I believe that many, if not all, homosexual people were affected by things in childhood, but I will keep that belief generic, and not specific.)

You can continue to be specific that all Christians are wrong, and hate everbody, and with all their lovey-dovey of life and irrational desires for morality means that I am all those things, and you can rest assured that I won't report you, Adam, AC, or anyone else who says such things about me.

I am sorry you were offended Capt.

You can take solace in that I will [B]never allow that to happen again. 🙂

Adam, you refer to a study that was done on a small group of people, and is inconclusive at best.

How many people were involved in that study again?

A minority right?

(Just like the "minority" of people that I mentioned choosing homosexuality, or making it past single motherhood in the Abortion thread. Once again, you can use types of arguments that I cant. Guess it's cool for you, but only when it suits your purposes.) [/B]

Dont worry

you were reported

Everyone should keep this civil...

The report button will be hot tonight if you do not

Hey, I'm always civil. 😆