Homosexuality: Chosen or Genetic?

And I know I do not have to come into this thread...

But I choose to, to voice my opinion and to hear so really bad judgements of people who do not know what the hell they are talking about...

sithsaber408 I am only going to say this once...STRAIGHT people (homophobes) do not know what they are talking about because well they are straight (attracted to the opposite sex) I happen to be attracted to the same sex...I have known I was gay ever since I was little (being interested in guys (attraction) before puberty...Homosexuality has nothing to do with what goes on in the home...There is nothing in my family that triggered it...Coming from a semi christian family (Went to church myself up to 2001 when the church kicked me out for being gay)

So please voice your damn opinions correctly...because there are people watching you...

Originally posted by Lightningrod
Dont worry

you were reported

And was warned by WD.

Yes, we know.

I also PM'd him about the fact that what I say dealing with abuse/outside influences in relation to sexual orientation is a vital part of my views, and that I should be allowed to express them, as long as they aren't addressed to anyone in particular.

He has neither responded to the PM (that I know of yet), nor banned me.

On his high horse is not a good place for a lightning rod,... why don't you come down? 🙂

Originally posted by sithsaber408
And was warned by WD.

Yes, we know.

I also PM'd him about the fact that what I say dealing with abuse/outside influences in relation to sexual orientation is a vital part of my views, and that I should be allowed to express them, as long as they aren't addressed to anyone in particular.

He has neither responded to the PM (that I know of yet), nor banned me.

On his high horse is not a good place for a lightning rod,... why don't you come down? 🙂

I can voice my opinions and i believe you are full of shit

just some people make me sick

Originally posted by Lightningrod
I can voice my opinions and i believe you are full of shit

just some people make me sick

Couldn't have said it better.

👆 😄

(For real though, that's exactly the way I feel,... uncanny, no?)

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Couldn't have said it better.

👆 😄

(For real though, that's exactly the way I feel,... uncanny, no?)

What did you think of Brokeback Mountain if you saw it, I saw that Ang Lee is in your profile

ohhhh someone is silent

Or maybe he has better things to do with his time than wait around while you masturbate to his responses.

Originally posted by Lightningrod
What did you think of Brokeback Mountain if you saw it, I saw that Ang Lee is in your profile

A good movie.

I did see it.

Listen, I think we got off on the wrong foot.

Probably my fault too.

I have said in here that I don't hate gay people.

I love gay people just like any other people. (Jesus loves them the same as me or anybody else.)

I had a few gay friends in high shcool.

I dont' say that to win your approval or to make myself look good,it was just a fact.

I didn't hate them. I still don't.

I don't agree with what they do, but then I don't agree with alot of things.

I know that gay people (the majority, anyway) didn't "choose" to have the attractions that they do,..... but I dont believe it to be genetic either...i.e. "I was born this way."

I honestly believe that a persons environment/upbringing/early childhood is what makes the difference.

I understand if you or anyone else doesn't feel that way,and I respect both your opinion, and your right to express it.

(I just wish people might affort me the same courtesy)

Friends? 🙂

Originally posted by sithsaber408
I honestly believe that a persons environment/upbringing/early childhood is what makes the difference.

I can't think of anything in my childhood that would have made me gay...I really can't. 😕

That is why I believe that if it is a choice, it occurs on a very subtle level. It would occur on the same level as "choosing" friends.

For example, one would not outtright say "I will befriend people who are typically identified as goths." You just would do it. You can't pinpoint one specific point in your life that made you choose these friends. You may do it because you had good experiences withs goths, or you may do it because you had bad experiences with other "groups". It would still be a choice, however, on a very subtle level of the mind.

This of course in not fact and is just one way I think that choice may be a plausible option regarding any sexual orientation. I think there is evidence for both sides.

Originally posted by StyleTime
That is why I believe that if it is a choice, it occurs on a very subtle level. It would occur on the same level as "choosing" friends.

You can choose to make friends with Anna Nicole Smith even if she's immaculate whore. You cannot however choose to be SEXUALLY ATTRACTED to Anna Nicole Smith.

Is it THAT hard for people to get their heads wrapped around? People, you have sexual attractions. You do not "choose" your sexual attractions.

Homosexuality is the sexual attraction to one's own gender. You cannot choose to have your central nervous system emit sexual arousal neurotransmitters into your bloodstream. If that were true, half of humanity's diseases would be curable by simple thought.

Originally posted by StyleTime
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For example, one would not outtright say "I will befriend people who are typically identified as Goths." You just would do it. You may do it because you had good experience withs goths, or you may do it because you had bad experiences with other "groups". It would still be a choice, however, on a very subtle level of the mind.

Your example is extremely faulty. It's actually quite laughable. In a good way though.

You're saying a gay person does:

"I've had had bad experiences with women. I am going to be gay because women have scorned me."

I don't know what hole you live in but this so completely not true. You obviously have no understanding of homosexuality or human sexuality in general.

I'm assuming you're a heterosexual. Do you choose your dick to get an erection when you see a naked woman? No.

Originally posted by Draco69
You can choose to make friends with Anna Nicole Smith even if she's immaculate whore. You cannot however choose to be SEXUALLY ATTRACTED to Anna Nicole Smith.

Is it THAT hard for people to get their heads wrapped around? People, you have sexual attractions. You do not "choose" your sexual attractions.

Homosexuality is the sexual attraction to one's own gender. You cannot choose to have your central nervous system emit sexual arousal neurotransmitters into your bloodstream. If that were true, half of humanity's diseases would be curable by simple thought.

Someone who actually speaks the truth. 😛

Originally posted by Draco69
You can choose to make friends with Anna Nicole Smith even if she's immaculate whore. You cannot however choose to be SEXUALLY ATTRACTED to Anna Nicole Smith.

Is it THAT hard for people to get their heads wrapped around? People, you have sexual attractions. You do not "choose" your sexual attractions.

Homosexuality is the sexual attraction to one's own gender. You cannot choose to have your central nervous system emit sexual arousal neurotransmitters into your bloodstream. If that were true, half of humanity's diseases would be curable by simple thought.

Well I mean what makes a murderer a murderer? A simple neurostransmitter response? If thats the case then we need to reevaluate alot of things and let start to give all our fellow man a better way to channel primal urges.

Originally posted by Draco69
Your example is extremely faulty. It's actually quite laughable. In a good way though.

You're saying a gay person does:

"I've had had bad experiences with women. I am going to be gay because women have scorned me."

I don't know what hole you live in but this so completely not true. You obviously have no understanding of homosexuality or human sexuality in general.

I'm assuming you're a heterosexual. Do you choose your dick to get an erection when you see a naked woman? No.

I never said any orientation goes through that process. I NEVER said it was a choice. I merely stated that there is a possibility of if it being a choice. I am merely stating a plausible way for it to be a choice. How do you know orientation can't be developed through positive stimuli, negative stimuli, or even punishment?

Just so you know, in the "hole" I live in, I am more inclined to believe that sexual orientation is predetermined. You were so busy jumping on me to notice that though. However, you can't just ignore the other side. It hasn't been proven either way has it? If it has, show me and I'll gladly leave any notions of choice in the trash can.

Completely ignoring the chance of it being a choice is just as lacking in understanding of sexuality as believing it's a choice.

I am merely trying to humor a possibility, yet I get jumped on for not believing something that hasn't been proven yet.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
I know that gay people (the majority, anyway) didn't "choose" to have the attractions that they do,..... but I dont believe it to be genetic either...i.e. "I was born this way."

I honestly believe that a persons environment/upbringing/early childhood is what makes the difference.

I understand if you or anyone else doesn't feel that way,and I respect both your opinion, and your right to express it.

(I just wish people might affort me the same courtesy)

Friends? 🙂

In other words, you continue to believe that homosexuality is caused by environmental factors despite the fact that there is no scientific evidence to corroborate this belief, and that every reputable mental health orginization states this is not the case.

You also selectively ignore the fact that homosexuals are biologically different from heterosexuals, i.e. the brain structure, inner-ear, and fingerprints of homosexuals are different than those of heterosexuals, and that homosexuals are genetically different from heterosexuals, i.e. homosexuals share a genetic marker and stretches of DNA that are not shared by heterosexuals.

Originally posted by soleran30
Well I mean what makes a murderer a murderer? A simple neurostransmitter response? If thats the case then we need to reevaluate alot of things and let start to give all our fellow man a better way to channel primal urges.

What makes a murderer a murderer? A motive (whether benign or maligant) and the fact that he or she has killed a living being.

What makes a homosexual a homosexual? Sexual attraction to one's own gender. That's it.

Comparing a murderer to a homosexual is like comparing a shark to a tulip. They have nothing in common and finding an analogy between the two is simply illogical.

Man chooses to murder out of a variety of reasons. A gay chooses to have sex with a another man for only ONE reason: sexual attraction.

Originally posted by Makedde
Someone who actually speaks the truth. 😛

Originally posted by StyleTime
I never said any orientation goes through that process. I NEVER said it was a choice. I merely stated that there is a possibility of if it being a choice. I am merely stating a plausible way for it to be a choice. How do you know orientation can't be developed through positive stimuli, negative stimuli, or even punishment?

Is there a possibility. Sure, by the laws of statistics everything is possiblity. Is it worth evaluating in a logical manner? Absolutely not.

How we do we know it is not developed by stimuli? Because we've been studying it for the last TWO HUNDRED YEARS. We have no evidence whatsoever external stimuli causes people to "choose" to have same-sex attractions.

Also when you filter in cultural differences, different backgrounds, different religions and different heritages, the plausibility of some sort of key stimuli goes straight out the window.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Compeletly ignoring the chance of it being a choice is just as lacking in understanding of sexuality as believing it's a choice.

It's not simple ignorance. It's just elementary to me for me as mathematics. You can argue that two plus two does not equal four but all signs of rationality says otherwise.

Originally posted by Draco69
What makes a murderer a murderer? A motive (whether benign or maligant) and the fact that he or she has killed a living being.

What makes a homosexual a homosexual? Sexual attraction to one's own gender. That's it.

Comparing a murderer to a homosexual is like comparing a shark to a tulip. They have nothing in common and finding an analogy between the two is simply illogical.

Man chooses to murder out of a variety of reasons. A gay chooses to have sex with a another man for only ONE reason: sexual attraction.

uh huh yeah take your analogy back sucka!

You were talking about neurotransmitters, nervous response, medulla oblongotta, primal responses whatever..............

You said if someone feels an attraction its chemical and no one can deny that I wasn't talking about premeditated murder but a murder of "passion." So if one can fall prey to one primal urge but not another I am thinking that maybe perhaps you should find another way to bring understanding to your view otherwise going off your biological chemical response system we are going to have to start "understaning" alot more of our primal responses and accept them.