Homosexuality: Chosen or Genetic?

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Indeed?

So Willie, the friend of my father-in-law, (who I have posted about before)who was gay for 20 years and turned to God and was "released from the homosexual lifestyle" (his words) was trying to do that?

He was gay to stir up trouble?

Not because of his circumstances, or environment?

Not because he was a young man in West L.A., who grew up with gangs and drugs, and was beaten badly several times?

Not because he felt un-masculine? Not because of those things?

Or my old manager, Anne(who I have also posted about before) who you said must be a bisexual.

She was in a marriage to a man, a cop, who beat her and cheated on her. She had a son with him.

After many years of physical, mental, and emotional abuse, she decided to find a woman who could treat her better. (She has said to my face that she believes all men are inherently chauvenistic).

She still likes men,and checks out the physical bodies of guys that come into her store.

She has said( again to my face) that she chooses the gay lifestyle because she likes it better.

But she has no agenda to make other gay people appear the way she does.

She has said (again, straight to my face) that she could give a crap about the gay movement, that she is just living her life.

She doesn't broadcast these things or put them on display. (I asked her these things while employed there,... kinda stupid, huh?)

She has no desire to make anyone look like they chose anything, nor does she talk about other gay people, in a good or bad way.

She just chooses to be gay.

A side question:

Anne thinks that [B]all men are inherently chauvenistic, do you agree?

Why or why not?

If not, (if men are both good and bad, and made that way by choices/environment).... then how are all gay people inherently gay? [/B]

How many times must it be explained to you that:

[list=1][*]The individuals in your post are not homosexuals. They are heterosexuals that have chosen to pursue relationships with members of the same sex for a period of time. Some homosexuals choose to pursue relationships with members of the opposite sex for a period of time, but this does not make them straight.

[*]The individuals in your post are not representative of the vast majority of homosexuals.[/list]

Originally posted by KidRock

I am sure he knew that already, but thanks for sharing...who's that guy? You have good taste in men...something you want to tell us?

Originally posted by Bardock42
I am sure he knew that already, but thanks for sharing...who's that guy? You have good taste in men...something you want to tell us?

I have better taste in women, but thanks for your concern. 😎

Now shouldnt you be hanging someone or commiting some hate crime. Sieg Heil right?

Originally posted by KidRock
I have better taste in women, but thanks for your concern. 😎

Now shouldnt you be hanging someone or commiting some hate crime. Sieg Heil right?

Hush, we mustn't do that anymore...but our time will come.

Originally posted by StyleTime
That's the thing. What if people DO choose to be heterosexual?

If people have choose to be straight, they were never straight to begin with, because if they were, they would have had to choose.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Hush, we mustn't do that anymore...but our time will come.

Ill wait for the signal. We move at dawn.

Then dawn shall be our signal.

Originally posted by Makedde
If people have choose to be straight, they were never straight to begin with, because if they were, they would have had to choose.

Did you read what I posted earlier Mak?

Hold on....

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Indeed?

So Willie, the friend of my father-in-law, (who I have posted about before)who was gay for 20 years and turned to God and was "released from the homosexual lifestyle" (his words) was trying to do that?

He was gay to stir up trouble?

Not because of his circumstances, or environment?

Not because he was a young man in West L.A., who grew up with gangs and drugs, and was beaten badly several times?

Not because he felt un-masculine? Not because of those things?

Or my old manager, Anne(who I have also posted about before) who you said must be a bisexual.

She was in a marriage to a man, a cop, who beat her and cheated on her. She had a son with him.

After many years of physical, mental, and emotional abuse, she decided to find a woman who could treat her better. (She has said to my face that she believes all men are inherently chauvenistic).

She still likes men,and checks out the physical bodies of guys that come into her store.

She has said( again to my face) that she chooses the gay lifestyle because she likes it better.

But she has no agenda to make other gay people appear the way she does.

She has said (again, straight to my face) that she could give a crap about the gay movement, that she is just living her life.

She doesn't broadcast these things or put them on display. (I asked her these things while employed there,... kinda stupid, huh?)

She has no desire to make anyone look like they chose anything, nor does she talk about other gay people, in a good or bad way.

She just chooses to be gay.

A side question:

Anne thinks that [B]all men are inherently chauvenistic, do you agree?

Why or why not?

If not, (if men are both good and bad, and made that way by choices/environment).... then how are all gay people inherently gay? [/B]

This is what I'm talking about. (in response to your post that gay people who say that they chose to be gay only do it to make other gay people look like they chose it.)

Not a challange or anything.... just wondering.

(Specifically how you might answer the question I put at the end.)

The above post means nothing. You speak of just one individual, not all as a whole.

Originally posted by Makedde
If people have choose to be straight, they were never straight to begin with, because if they were, they would have had to choose.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Maybe it's a choice either way. It could be on some deeper level of the mind however. We may not say " I am going to homosexual from now on." It could occur on the level as choosing friends. We don't outright say what group of people we like to associate with, but that doesn't mean it's not a choice. A very subtle, almost unconscious choice but that is still a choice.

And tell me how to pronounce your name. I asked before but I don't think you saw it.

You don't choose who you're attracted to, you just are.

is it comprehensible.....

I never said you do choose.

Originally posted by StyleTime
And tell me how to pronounce your name. I asked before but I don't think you saw it.

Mak-Aye-Dee 😉

Ahh. That is what I thought. Cool. Where is it from?

Originally posted by Makedde
The above post means nothing. You speak of just one individual, not all as a whole.

Actually I speak of 2 individuals.

I thought that's what this was about,... an individuals preference for their sex life.

I thought it had nothing to do with what people think as a whole.

Anyway, did you have an answer for my question?

Anne thinks that all men are inherently chauvenistic.

Do you agree?

Why or why not?

If not, (if some men become that way due to choices/environment/upbringing).. how can you say that all gay people are inherently gay?

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Actually I speak of 2 individuals.

I thought that's what this was about,... an individuals preference for their sex life.

I thought it had nothing to do with what people think as a whole.

Anyway, did you have an answer for my question?

Anne thinks that all men are inherently chauvenistic.

Do you agree?

Why or why not?

If not, (if some men become that way due to choices/environment/upbringing).. how can you say that all gay people are inherently gay?

You cannot be so dense as to not be able to distinguish between behavior and orientation.

A man is not homosexual by nature of having sex with a man. The majority of men who appear in gay adult films are heterosexual as are the majority of male prostitutes. These men do not have an enduring physical, emotional, and psychological attraction to men, they simply have sex with men for money.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
You cannot be so dense as to not be able to distinguish between behavior and orientation.

A man is not homosexual by nature of having sex with a man. The majority of men who appear in gay adult films are heterosexual as are the majority of male prostitutes. These men do not have an enduring physical, emotional, and psychological attraction to men, they simply have sex with men for money.

Okay. That's your opinion and you are entitled to it.

Here's mine:

A chauvenist is made the way he is by choices, and by environment/upbringing.

Maybe his mother was a tramp. Maybe an alcoholic. Perhaps he was rejected or cheated on while young, in high shcool.

For whatever reason, he believes that women are beneath men.

Meant to obey men, weaker physically and mentally, should please a man sexually when he wants, and so on.

These are thought processes, ways of dealing with people, and characteristics that make up who he is and what he prefers.

But you can't say in any honest fashion that he was "geneticaly born that way".

No man is inherently a chauvenist. Only some are, based somewhat on the choices that they make, and more-so on the environment that produces them.

I don't believe a person is inherently a homosexual either.

I said in my first post in this thread that I agreed with whoever said it was a combination of environment, and early childhood experiences.

I don't believe it to be genetic. I don't believe it to be choice. (for the majority anyway.)

There are a few people who I have met in my life so far that claim to have chosen a homosexual lifestyle because it suits them better, and I have discussed them when it was said that "nobody" chooses to be gay, but I know that they are not the typical homosexual.

So did you answer the question Adam?

Do you believe that all men are inherently chauvenists?

Why or Why Not?

If not, then why do you believe that a person is inherently gay?

Are you serious? You're comparing a male chauvinist to a homosexual?

Oh man, I think even Whob would find that out there.

I've known I was gay since I was three, I discussed that in an earlier post. Maybe in another thread. So, what experience did I encounter that brought me to that conclusion at such a young age? Are you contending that my mother raised me to be gay, because she was a single mother? My father was around until I was 9, don't you think that if homosexuality set in after that age, that I would have chosen to be straight?

So, if I chose to be gay because I was raised by a single mother then I'm also a chauvinist because of my single mother?

Goog god, your not exactly steering with all thrusters, are you?