Homosexuality still qualifies as natural according to the alternate definition that you providedoh really, the ordinary course of nature is the humans, animals and other living things on this earth`s survival mode. The instincts, and our instinct is to reproduce to secure the continuation of our species. And since our instincts are to reproduce it would leave out homosexuality as natural cause it"violates/interfere" mans means to reproduce.
So homosexuality can adapt into the societ of humans but it can never adapt to the nature of things cause the nature of things is to rerpoduce.
Originally posted by finti
oh really, the ordinary course of nature is the humans, animals and other living things on this earth`s survival mode. The instincts, and our instinct is to reproduce to secure the continuation of our species. And since our instincts are to reproduce it would leave out homosexuality as natural cause it"violates/interfere" mans means to reproduce.
Now why are people gay since it is against the natural process of man, well maybe our instincts have gone "softer" since man really has secured the spiecies continuation........for now. Who nows, but as mentioned before you cant help who you fall in love with, but I dont think love was something our forefathers from way back was too worried about.So homosexuality can adapt into the societ of humans but it can never adapt to the nature of things cause the nature of things is to rerpoduce.
The alternate definition of "natural" that you provided, states that something is natural if it "conforms to the usual or ordinary course of nature". Nature itself is defined as "the material world and its phenomena".
To prove that homosexuality is not natural, you must show that a.) it is not a phenomena that occurrs in the material world or b.) that it is a phenomena that occurrs in the material world but is itself artificial.
To prove that homosexuality is not natural, you must show that a.) it is not a phenomena that occurrs in the material world or b.) that it is a phenomena that occurrs in the material world but is itself artificialto prove that homosexual aint natural is to put it up against the law of the nature. It might be a flaw of nature I`ll admit that but the nature of man is to reproduce and we know that homosexual cant reproduce (at least not that we know of so far), bisexual can
Homosexuality occurs in nature, thus by definition it is naturalso does sodomy is that natural too?
I might not made my self really clear on this subject, this aint a crusade by my part agains homosexual.
Thing is that I dont think homosexuality is part of natures "plans", it just happened thats why I say it aint natural becasue it goes against the laws of the nature yet it manage to survive. Why does it survive? I dont know maybe it is one of natures little pranks (no offence to gay people)
Some of you might say that becasue it survives makes it natural and you are right to assume so, but I dont see it that way.
I think it is unantural because of things I mentioned earlier, still doesnt see it as a wrong though
Originally posted by finti
to prove that homosexual aint natural is to put it up against the law of the nature. It might be a flaw of nature I`ll admit that but the nature of man is to reproduce and we know that homosexual cant reproduce (at least not that we know of so far), bisexual canso does sodomy is that natural too?
Let us examine the law of nature:
law of nature n. A broad generalization expressive of the constant action or effect of natural conditions.
By this definition, homosexuality qualifies as natural as it is a phenomena expressive of natural conditions. As I stated previously, to prove that homosexuality is not natural, you have to show that it is an artificial phenomena. Sodomy is also natural by this definition.
Originally posted by finti
yes and I argued against that
Poorly as I have just illustrated.
Originally posted by finti
I might not made my self really clear on this subject, this aint a crusade by my part agains homosexual.Thing is that I dont think homosexuality is part of natures "plans", it just happened thats why I say it aint natural becasue it goes against the laws of the nature yet it manage to survive. Why does it survive? I dont know maybe it is one of natures little pranks (no offence to gay people)
Some of you might say that becasue it survives makes it natural and you are right to assume so, but I dont see it that way.
I think it is unantural because of things I mentioned earlier, still doesnt see it as a wrong though
Homosexuality does not defy the "law of nature" however, I cannot speak to wether it defies the plans of nature as I was unaware that nature had the conciousness to make plans.
I cannot speak to wether it defies the plans of nature as I was unaware that nature had conciousness.plans was written in quotation mark which kind of give it a not a litteraly effect.
By this definition, homosexuality qualifies as natural as it is a phenomena expressive of natural conditionswell I dont see it as a natural condition, reproduction is a natural condition, but not for two of the same gender.
Poorly as I have just illustratedattempted to illustrate
Originally posted by finti
plans was written in quotation mark which kind of give it a not a litteraly effect.
The statement in question was rhetorical.
Originally posted by finti
well I dont see it as a natural condition, reproduction is a natural condition, but not for two of the same gender.
It is not enough to simply claim that homosexuality is not a natural condition, you must prove that it is an artificial condition.
Originally posted by finti
attempted to illustrate
No, I believe that I illustrated the point fairly well.
Sedimentary rock formations cannot reproduce yet, they are a natural phenomena. To prove that homosexuality is not natural, you must show that it is an artificial or man made phenomena.The diffrence is that it was never natures intention for rocks to reproduce either compare to humans which intention actually are to reproduce.
Originally posted by finti
The diffrence is that it was never natures intention for rocks to reproduce either compare to humans which intention actually are to reproduce.
I must credit you for a great argumentative example though
Nature does not have conciousness. Therefore, it is arguable that human beings are purposed or intended for anything.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Those who profess to "hate the sin and love the sinner" are not being entirely honest with themselves. That is like saying, "I hate lies but take no issue with those who tell them." One cannot disapprove of something without having already passed judgement.
Just cuz you disagree w/the way someone lives, does NOT mean you are to HATE them. Look at Jesus, HE went to the people that were sinners, why??? cuz they are the ones that needed to be saved. Just cuz you disagree w/someone YOU are not to hate them, that makes no since what so ever and goes against the word of God. You are to LOVE everyone you don't have to like the way they live.
KMC is about expressing your opinions, your views, your thoughts and facts about the situation. Although many on here love to tell people they are hypocrites for doing so lol oh well thats is there opinion.
Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
Just cuz you disagree w/the way someone lives, does NOT mean you are to HATE them. Look at Jesus, HE went to the people that were sinners, why??? cuz they are the ones that needed to be saved. Just cuz you disagree w/someone YOU are not to hate them, that makes no since what so ever and goes against the word of God. You are to LOVE everyone you don't have to like the way they live.KMC is about expressing your opinions, your views, your thoughts and facts about the situation. Although many on here love to tell people they are hypocrites for doing so lol oh well thats is there opinion.
He wasnt saying you hate them, he was saying that you were passing judgement on them. Which you are.