Originally posted by Morningstar
I dont think FE is being hypocritical. She just doesnt agree with homosexual acts but that doesnt mean she's judging the people who commit them.
Those who profess to "hate the sin and love the sinner" are not being entirely honest with themselves. That is like saying, "I hate lies but take no issue with those who tell them." One cannot disapprove of something without having already passed judgement.
Originally posted by Morningstar
^ fair enough. But FE aint gonna be a complete cow to someone just coz they have a different sexual preference.
Perhaps not but while she is busy feigning pleasantries, she is silently making judgements about that person and his or her choices. What do you call someone again who acts one way but feels another? 😕
^ dude if u violently dislike something, what do you do? You either a.) say nothing but silently disagree in your head or b.) say something nicely about how you feel.
FE is taking the 2nd option and saying that she disagrees with homosexual acts. If you look through all her posts, does she say in a single one 'i disagree with homosexuals. I hate them all.'? No she doesnt. she just says that she disagrees with it.
You have a good point and im not dissing you for it. I just cant see it from ur side, sorry 😮
Originally posted by Morningstar
^ dude if u violently dislike something, what do you do? You either a.) say nothing but silently disagree in your head or b.) say something nicely about how you feel.FE is taking the 2nd option and saying that she disagrees with homosexual acts. If you look through all her posts, does she say in a single one 'i disagree with homosexuals. I hate them all.'? No she doesnt. she just says that she disagrees with it.
You have a good point and im not dissing you for it. I just cant see it from ur side, sorry
In my previous post, I posed the following question to you, "What do you call someone again who acts one way but feels another?" Allow me to provide you with the answer. One who acts one way but feels another is, by definition, a hypocrite.
hyp·o·crite n. One who feigns himself to be what he is not or to feel what he does not feel.
Furthermore, sexual orientation is not characterized by behavior but is part of one's identity. To say, "I dislike homosexual behavior but I do not dislike homosexuals," is as preposterous as saying, "I dislike the skin color of black people but do not dislike black people."
Originally posted by finti
oh how clever you know how to use a dictionary. Yes I know what natural means thats why I chose to use that word
More clever than you it would seem, for had you known how to use a dictionary, you would not have demonstrated in your previous post that you do not know the meaning of the word "natural". 🙄
More clever than you it would seem, for had you known how to use a dictionary, you would not have demonstrated in your previous post that you do not know the meaning of the word "natural".and had you been as clever as you think are you would have discovered that there are more to the word than the alternative you posted.
I never said I read the bible!
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I never said that you were a hypocrite. I said you were redundant and that we all got your point."Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
MEANING: if someone is saying they are good (christian) you will know if they are or not by their actions."Fruit? Good and evil are compared in the bible with a fruit metaphor? And this is th ebook you live your life by? And you're also telling me in that statement that I am a bad person because I sleep with men. So, because I am far more generous than most people I know, because I care more about my family and friends and treat them all with respect and dignity I'm still a bad person? Your morals are warpped if you honestly believe that I'm a bad person...because I sleep with men.
I'm going to write my own book about fruit and found a world religion around it.
And, I don't want you "hushhhh". I want you to say something new.
You ask me the question that it is wrong for man to sleep with man?I say yes it is .It is also a sin.
But we are talking about reather that person was born wiht this illness or not.And I say again no.They have there own thoughts just like we stright people do.
We fall in love because it is a feeling that we all get.As babys we never think of being inlove until we are older.The same thing it is a choice and to feel sorry for gays is not right.
THey can help it they have no need for anyone to feel sorry for them.It is there choice and maybe it is not a good choice to some but it is there action.
If you are inlove you are inlove but actions are our own.We act upon it when we can as humans goes againt it and not acted upon it.
Acting is our own doing.Being in love may but be a control thing but actions are us doing it!
If you guys don't under what I am trying to say please ask and I will be happy to exclaim it to you in small words so you guys can understand it.JM 🙄 💃
Re: I never said I read the bible!
Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
You ask me the question that it is wrong for man to sleep with man?I say yes it is .It is also a sin.
But we are talking about reather that person was born wiht this illness or not.And I say again no.They have there own thoughts just like we stright people do.
We fall in love because it is a feeling that we all get.As babys we never think of being inlove until we are older.The same thing it is a choice and to feel sorry for gays is not right.
THey can help it they have no need for anyone to feel sorry for them.It is there choice and maybe it is not a good choice to some but it is there action.
If you are inlove you are inlove but actions are our own.We act upon it when we can as humans goes againt it and not acted upon it.
Acting is our own doing.Being in love may but be a control thing but actions are us doing it!
If you guys don't under what I am trying to say please ask and I will be happy to exclaim it to you in small words so you guys can understand it.JM
So because you feel it is wrong for two people of the same sex to be in love, they aren't allowed to act on that love or attraction that they have? Because you think its icky, 10% (or so, depending which study you beleive) are supposed to abstain from sex that they find natural?
I understand what you mean about falling in love is dependant on choice, but physical attraction has nothing to do with choice. Everyone finds certain things attractive... gay people find people of their same sex attractive. They cant help it, thats what they like... it has nothing to do with love, its what they are attracted to. I am attracted to women with blonde hair, tight bodies, and large breasts... it doesnt mean im in love with them or that I chose that. That is just an example... girls like that dont even talk to me, so there is no way that by my actions that I chose that attaction. It just is what my sexual preference is. I cant change that... thats just how it is.
Btw though... its not just just blondes i like... i have plenty of respect for sexy brunettes and red heads 💃
Re: I never said I read the bible!
Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
You ask me the question that it is wrong for man to sleep with man?I say yes it is .It is also a sin.
But we are talking about reather that person was born wiht this illness or not.And I say again no.They have there own thoughts just like we stright people do.
We fall in love because it is a feeling that we all get.As babys we never think of being inlove until we are older.The same thing it is a choice and to feel sorry for gays is not right.
THey can help it they have no need for anyone to feel sorry for them.It is there choice and maybe it is not a good choice to some but it is there action.
If you are inlove you are inlove but actions are our own.We act upon it when we can as humans goes againt it and not acted upon it.
Acting is our own doing.Being in love may but be a control thing but actions are us doing it!
If you guys don't under what I am trying to say please ask and I will be happy to exclaim it to you in small words so you guys can understand it.JM 🙄 💃
LOL...I wasn't even talking to you....
FE> Can’t you answer a question as simple as “How do you KNOW that the passages in the Bible that says homosexuality is wrong should be taken literally?”
Okay, there it is… again.
Also, again: So, do you forsake your brothers and sister, your parents, husband and children?
Morningstar> Hello, and welcome to planet Earth! Lets say we have two people Sue and Bob. Bob is a vegetarian and Sue eats meat. Bob is a vegetarian because it says in some holy book, that eating meat is WRONG. This is the only reason why Bob is a vegetarian, and the only reason he says ”EATING MEAT IS WRONG.”
Bob doesn’t like being around Sue because she does something he thinks is wrong, even though they NEVER even have dinner together. He feigns liking Sue.
As soon as you use words such as ”right” or ”wrong” you have passed a judgement on someone or something. ”I dunno” or ”I don’t care” is the neutral, unjudged/undecided answer.
As you may (OR probably may NOT) have noticed, quite a few people around here adhere to the neutral reply, they don’t care whether or not people are homosexuals. They don’t say it’s ”right”, they simply don’t pass ANY judgement on this group of people.
FE does so – by saying it’s wrong. Ergo she judges, ergo she goes against the words of her Lord Jesus, ergo she’s a hypocrite.
Originally posted by finti
and had you been as clever as you think are you would have discovered that there are more to the word than the alternative you posted.
just an example " nat·u·ral[B]Conforming to the usual or ordinary course of nature . [/B]
It would appear that you are the one who is not as clever as he believes himself to be. Homosexuality still qualifies as natural according to the alternate definition that you provided. 🙄
Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
If you guys don't under what I am trying to say please ask and I will be happy to exclaim it to you in small words so you guys can understand it.
Your use of what you believe to be "big words" is not the reason others are having difficulty making sense of your post. Perhaps you should "exclaim" it to us. 🙄