Originally posted by FeceMan
He makes a point: fears are often conditioned.However, what about those who have lived in a wholly heterosexual environment and believe that the homosexual lifestyles is wrong (like Ted Haggard)?
I don't know much about Ted Haggard but from what I have herd he battled against the gays for a long time and the found out that he was one, or he was one all along. This could be explained by conditioning as well because he devoted his life to the battle against gays that would mean that gay people were on his mind so much that he slowly formed a liking for them.
Or he could have been gay the whole time and just hiding it, really hard to prove any case. There are so many possibilities on why people do what they do and turn out how they turn out it would be stupid to say that its not possible for this to be conditioned or a choice maybe by him.
i was in agreement too feceman, but the problem is that its completely unrelated, as im sure you know. however there are those that will exploit the thwarting of an off handed point and have the delusion that it supports their claim...like so:
Originally posted by dirkdirden
I don't know much about Ted Haggard but from what I have herd he battled against the gays for a long time and the found out that he was one, or he was one all along. This could be explained by conditioning as well because he devoted his life to the battle against gays that would mean that gay people were on his mind so much that he slowly formed a liking for them.Or he could have been gay the whole time and just hiding it, really hard to prove any case. There are so many possibilities on why people do what they do and turn out how they turn out it would be stupid to say that its not possible for this to be conditioned or a choice maybe by him.
so you see,i just bit my tongue for the good of the topic
Originally posted by dirkdirden
I don't know much about Ted Haggard but from what I have herd he battled against the gays for a long time and the found out that he was one, or he was one all along. This could be explained by conditioning as well because he devoted his life to the battle against gays that would mean that gay people were on his mind so much that he slowly formed a liking for them.Or he could have been gay the whole time and just hiding it, really hard to prove any case. There are so many possibilities on why people do what they do and turn out how they turn out it would be stupid to say that its not possible for this to be conditioned or a choice maybe by him.
The first paragraph is utterly retarded "slowly formed a liking for them"... seriously man.
Second paragraph you finally start using some common reasoning but then go back to retard-mode with "really hard to prove any case". You have gay men in this forum alone telling you they had an attraction to boys from a very young age and they were not molested or coerced in anyway to find men sexually attractive.
Originally posted by Robtard
The first paragraph is utterly retarded "slowly formed a liking for them"... seriously man.Second paragraph you finally start using some common reasoning but then go back to retard-mode with "really hard to prove any case". You have gay men in this forum alone telling you they had an attraction to boys from a very young age and they were not molested or coerced in anyway to find men sexually attractive.
and those few speak for them all. well glad we got this topic finished a few gay people say there were born gay that makes it a fact that all gay people were geneticly created that way.
dude, you used the idea that fears are produced via conditioning (which i agree with) and tried to use that to prove whatever point that sexuality is conditioned.
then why is it that nobody ever told me how, why, or when to wack off to a porno, but there i was, 12 years old, no conditioning, no coercing, no jesus juice, and nature took its course. why is it so unbelievable that someone who was not negatively effected by perverted old men would just be attracted to the same sex the same as we are attracted to the opposite sex? for no reason at all other than thats just the way it is, same as for you and me.
:edit: and no, im not saying its genetic.
Originally posted by dirkdirden
and those few speak for them all. well glad we got this topic finished a few gay people say there were born gay that makes it a fact that all gay people were geneticly created that way.
Ask any gay person, I doubt you'll find 1 in 100 that will say "I was turned gay", in fact, they only ones that will say that are the holy-rolling-homos who are still trying to scapegoat who they are for fear of rejection and fear of religion.
I have a gay brother, we were raised the same. As PVS mentioned, when I started to masturbate and have sexual fantasies at a young age, I fantasied about girls/women. My brother didn't, he liked boys from the start and still does.
You were asked to give examples of how you were "programed" straight, yet you failed.
Do a little scientific test for us all... You claim that you could have been "turned" gay if you were raised to be so. Go suck 10-20 dicks, pump 10-20 guys up the ass and get yourself pumped 10-20 times. Let us know if you "turn" gay.
Originally posted by FeceMan
Yeah, you agreed with me....
So Ted Haggard is gay because he "battled against the gays"? I wasn't aware that we were in the middle of a civil war here.
There's a bit of a difference there. Don't use my claim that homosexuals are part of the rest of humanity just to win an argument.
Originally posted by Robtard
Ask any gay person, I doubt you'll find 1 in 100 that will say "I was turned gay", in fact, they only ones that will say that are the holy-rolling-homos who are still trying to scapegoat who they are for fear of rejection and fear of religion.I have a gay brother, we were raised the same. As PVS mentioned, when I started to masturbate and have sexual fantasies at a young age, I fantasied about girls/women. My brother didn't, he liked boys from the start and still does.
You were asked to give examples of how you were "programed" straight, yet you failed.
Do a little scientific test for us all... You claim that you could have been "turned" gay if you were raised to be so. Go suck 10-20 dicks, pump 10-20 guys up the ass and get yourself pumped 10-20 times. Let us know if you "turn" gay.
It is imposable to raise two people the same
no matter how much you say that all gay people are born gay you are wrong, some and maybe most are but not all Some people can be born strait and conditioned to be gay and visa versa its not a all or none type of situation
That experiment wouldn't be how you would condition someone to be gay. An example of an experiment that would probably change someone’s sexuality would be take a 12 year old boy who loves the bagina jerks of the strait porn, move him into a city with no women and all gay men, given a long enough time his sexuality would naturally change and he would become game even thought he was once strait
Originally posted by dirkdirden
It is imposable to raise two people the sameno matter how much you say that all gay people are born gay you are wrong, some and maybe most are but not all Some people can be born strait and conditioned to be gay and visa versa its not a all or none type of situation
That experiment wouldn't be how you would condition someone to be gay. An example of an experiment that would probably change someone’s sexuality would be take a 12 year old boy who loves the bagina jerks of the strait porn, move him into a city with no women and all gay men, given a long enough time his sexuality would naturally change and he would become game even thought he was once strait
All you do is talk your way out a logic corner.
Originally posted by dirkdirden
It is imposable to raise two people the sameno matter how much you say that all gay people are born gay you are wrong, some and maybe most are but not all Some people can be born strait and conditioned to be gay and visa versa its not a all or none type of situation
That experiment wouldn't be how you would condition someone to be gay. An example of an experiment that would probably change someone’s sexuality would be take a 12 year old boy who loves the bagina jerks of the strait porn, move him into a city with no women and all gay men, given a long enough time his sexuality would naturally change and he would become game even thought he was once strait
First being gay is a "choice" according to you, now you say (agree) that "some" and/or "maybe most" are born gay with some exceptions withholding. Of course there are exceptions to the rule as there are exceptions to everything. I think the debate pertained to the majority, not the fringe flock of people who were severely molested or mentality traumatize in such a way it affected their sexuality.
Your experiment is extreme and it wouldn't prove a thing. Look at prisons... Seclude straight men in an environment without women for a long enough period of time and some of them will have sex with each other. It doesn't make them necessarily gay though, many straight men who have served time in prisons have had gay sex, but once they are free they do not continue to seek sex from other men.