Originally posted by Robtard
First being gay is a "choice" according to you, now you say (agree) that "some" and/or "maybe most" are born gay with some exceptions withholding. Of course there are exceptions to the rule as there are exceptions to everything. I think the debate pertained to the majority, not the fringe flock of people who were severely molested or mentality traumatize in such a way it affected their sexuality.Your experiment is extreme and it wouldn't prove a thing. Look at prisons... Seclude straight men in an environment without women for a long enough period of time and some of them will have sex with each other. It doesn't make them necessarily gay though, many straight men who have served time in prisons have had gay sex, but once they are free they do not continue to seek sex from other men.
Yeah tis true most people don’t have a choice, but that is no reason to expand the majority to all gay people.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
What?I asked you to support your claim that gay people ain't born that way.
My claim isn't and has never been that they aren't born that way. My claim is that Some are born that way other are created throught conditioning and others choose. And evidence can prove all three reasons have validity behind them. It can be nature, it can be nurture and it can be a mix of both.
Originally posted by dirkdirden
Yeah tis true most people don’t have a choice, but that is no reason to expand the majority to all gay people.
You do realize you are severely contradicting yourself right? In the same sentence you say "most people" and then "no reason/majority", if "most people" are not the majority, then who exactly is the majority?
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
um, yeah....it is.
No it's not. If you used the same logic and reasoning every Americans would be stupid because the majority of them are, and every French man would be a pussy because the majority of them are, and every gay would act like a fairy because the majority of them do, and Britney spears would never were panties because the majority of time she doesn't
Originally posted by dirkdirden
No it's not. If you used the same logic and reasoning every Americans would be stupid because the majority of them are, and every French man would be a pussy because the majority of them are, and every gay would act like a fairy because the majority of them do, and Britney spears would never were panties because the majority of time she doesn't
That's not even relevant. We're talking about gay people. Not dumb Americans.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
That's not even relevant. We're talking about gay people. Not dumb Americans.
You said that it is ok to assume that all gay people were born that way because the majority of them are, using the same logic but applied to a different situation show how ridiculous the logic is.
Originally posted by dirkdirden
Yeah tis true most people don’t have a choice, but that is no reason to expand the majority to all gay people.
I will break apart the sentence and reword it to make it easier to understand
Yes it is true that most people don't have a choice.
But that is no reason to expand the most people to all people.
Logical example of what I'm saying
1. The majority of gays are born that way
2. There is a gay man waiting in line
3. The gay man waiting in line must have been born gay
Does this logic work 100% of the time? Does 1+2=3?
Originally posted by dirkdirden
You said that it is ok to assume that all gay people were born that way because the majority of them are, using the same logic but applied to a different situation show how ridiculous the logic is.
You need to realize the difference between "majority of people" and "all people"
Originally posted by dirkdirden
I will break apart the sentence and reword it to make it easier to understandYes it is true that most people don't have a choice.
But that is no reason to expand the most people to all people.Logical example of what I'm saying
1. The majority of gays are born that way
2. There is a gay man waiting in line
3. The gay man waiting in line must have been born gayDoes this logic work 100% of the time? Does 1+2=3?
No, no and no... The gay man in line most likely was born gay since the "majority" of gays are born gay, not choose to be gay.
Originally posted by dirkdirden
You said that it is ok to assume that all gay people were born that way because the majority of them are, using the same logic but applied to a different situation show how ridiculous the logic is.
No. I didn't say anything. I made no statements at all. My only point is that when you say that some, as in a minority, that is clearly not a majority. It's all right there in the words.
As far as I'm concerned, your logic in saying that some gays are conditioned or choose is laughable.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
No. I didn't say anything. I made no statements at all. My only point is that when you say that some, as in a minority, that is clearly not a majority. It's all right there in the words.As far as I'm concerned, your logic in saying that some gays are conditioned or choose is laughable.
The only point he has to some degree here is, if he scoured the Earth I am certain he could at the very least find a few gay men who where somehow traumatize so severely in some manner into being gay. Certainly isn't the norm or a meaningful percentage though.
Originally posted by Robtard
The only point he has to some degree here is, if he scoured the Earth I am certain he could at the very least find a few gay men who where somehow traumatize so severely in some manner into being gay. Certainly isn't the norm or a meaningful percentage though.
having said that. Is it true that ALL gay people are born gay.
And my point has been proven the best it can.
Fin
Originally posted by dirkdirden
having said that. Is it true that ALL gay people are born gay.And my point has been proven the best it can.
Fin
Fist of all clown-boy, you started into the debate with the stance "homosexuality is a choice".
No, your point has been not been proven as there are always some exceptions to the rule. Finding 1 gay man out of 10 million who was "turned" gay or "choose" to be gay doesn't account for shit.