Homosexuality: Chosen or Genetic?

Originally posted by Ytaker
Thou shalt not murder. It's different, in the way that looking and seeing are.

Hmm... Seems to me that there are three versions of the Ten Commandments... The Protestant version, the Catholic version, and the Hebrew version. Also seems to me that in every single one, the fifth commandment reads as follows:

Thou shalt not kill.

Nope, doesn't say "thou shalt not murder" or "thou shalt not gang rape" or "thou shalt not stab to death"... Just says "thou shalt not kill". Don't kill anybody. Killing is wrong. That's all it says.

Originally posted by Darth Revan
Hmm... Seems to me that there are three versions of the Ten Commandments... The Protestant version, the Catholic version, and the Hebrew version. Also seems to me that in every single one, the fifth commandment reads as follows:

Thou shalt not kill.

Nope, doesn't say "thou shalt not murder" or "thou shalt not gang rape" or "thou shalt not stab to death"... Just says "thou shalt not kill". Don't kill anybody. Killing is wrong. That's all it says.

The bible never actually says that it is wrong to kill. It says that it is wrong to murder. There are dozens of instances where god orders people to be killed. God just reserves the right to decide who dies and who lives. But, if he is the creator, it would be kind of short sighted to create something that he knows he's just going to have to kill later.

"The bible never actually says that it is wrong to kill."

So "Thou Shalt Not Kill" has footnotes than none of us know about?

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"The bible never actually says that it is wrong to kill."

So "Thou Shalt Not Kill" has footnotes than none of us know about?

Let us take a look shall we:

Exodus 20:13, "You shall not murder."

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"The bible never actually says that it is wrong to kill."

So "Thou Shalt Not Kill" has footnotes than none of us know about?

-AC

Yes, humans are not allowed to make that descision. Only God has the right to kill, according to the old testament. Murder seems to be considered acting without the endorsment of god. Killing is ordered by god through out the bible.

Exodus 20:13, "You shall not murder."

king James version Exodus 20:13 "Thou shalt not kill."

going back on topic 😂

I think Homosexuality's deff genetic, I don't think someone decides, ok from now on I'll b gay/lesbian 😖

Originally posted by finti
that is the modern version of the bible

king James version Exodus 20:13 "Thou shalt not kill."

English is no longer spoken as it appears in the King James version of The Bible therefore, the modern English version is much more relevant.

English is no longer spoken as it appears in the King James version of The Bible therefore, the modern English version is much more relevant.

The Norwegian translation says "Du skal ikke drepe" which means "You shall not kill" and that is the version they use today.
The old version said "Du skal ikke slå ihjel" which translate "You shall not beat to death" 🙂

Okay, so I don't check on this thread for a few days and I come back and we're discussing the semantics of the bible...

"You shall not beat to death"? 😂

Originally posted by finti
still the question is what is more correctly translated towards the original text.

I still believe the most correct translation is going to be 'murder'. As throught out the bible, god orders people to kill others. So, I think there is a divine standard to taking someone elses life. God also sets up rules for taking someone's life. So, there is a real legitimacy to the death penalty. However, you can get the death penalty for murdering someone. So, that's two lives. It's kind of that eye for an eye thing.

yea and doesnt jesus say if a man slaps you on the cheek, turn the other cheek or something.

I still believe the most correct translation is going to be 'murder'

yea and doesnt jesus say if a man slaps you on the cheek, turn the other cheek or something.

Originally posted by naybean
yea and doesnt jesus say if a man slaps you on the cheek, turn the other cheek or something.

Yeah, but Jesus was the much more politically correct version of god. In the old testament god is one vengful mother f*cker. To look at the political and social views of so many christians, you would think they were more inclinded to be Jewish. The old testament version of god would kick ass and take names. Much like the "attitude" of your typical red state, cowboy hat wearing, bar fighting, red-neck. So I've always thought that it was funny that so many Christians are like this, when the man they worship was a PANSY. (to quote Scarpa) How many of these hard line religious types would turn the other check in a bar fight?

Originally posted by finti
depends on the language actually

No, i think it depends on the concept. Language is irrelevant.

I feel like Bill Clinton arguing the meaning of the word 'is'.

No, i think it depends on the concept. Language is irrelevant.

yeah bible's weird, too weird to explain, i dont buy it either tho'

Originally posted by finti
still the question is what is more correctly translated towards the original text.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I still believe the most correct translation is going to be 'murder'.

If the correct translation is "you shall not kill", then God would be asking the Hebrews to violate this commandment everytime He deamnded animal sacrifice, eveytime He demanded they slay their enemies, etc. The more correct translation is "you shall not murder".

In any case, what The Bible says is irrelevant to this discussion anyway.

Originally posted by naybean
yea and doesnt jesus say if a man slaps you on the cheek, turn the other cheek or something.

I remember a story about Nelson Mandela, or some other bloke walking with a christian scholar when they were about to get mugged, and Nelson suggesting that they should use peace not violence, and literally follow the words of the sermon on the mount. Can anyone confirm this?