Homosexuality: Chosen or Genetic?

Ytaker> “It really annoys me when people complain because the word doesn't have the meaning they want.”

Then perhaps you should use a word that won’t be misunderstood.
It’s not my job to GUESS your meaning – it’s your job to write what you MEAN!

“God's judgement against the killing of an innocent life grows out of His love for humankind.”
Huh? So when he flooded the entire planet that was out of love?
” In Psalm 106 God speaks specifically against killing innocent children and babies.”
When he slaughtered all the firstborns in Egypt that was out of love?
How do YOU know what God thinks?
How do you know what’s to be taken literally in the Bible and what isn’t?

The Bible is so littered with faulty translations it hurts. “Virgin” as in “Virgin Mary” was actually “Young Maiden” as an example. Shemaim – in Genesis means HeavenS, not Heaven… and so on and so forth.

Originally posted by The Omega
Ytaker> “It really annoys me when people complain because the word doesn't have the meaning they want.”

Then perhaps you should use a word that won’t be misunderstood.
It’s not my job to GUESS your meaning – it’s your job to write what you MEAN!

“God's judgement against the killing of an innocent life grows out of His love for humankind.”
Huh? So when he flooded the entire planet that was out of love?
” In Psalm 106 God speaks specifically against killing innocent children and babies.”
When he slaughtered all the firstborns in Egypt that was out of love?
How do YOU know what God thinks?
How do you know what’s to be taken literally in the Bible and what isn’t?

The Bible is so littered with faulty translations it hurts. “Virgin” as in “Virgin Mary” was actually “Young Maiden” as an example. Shemaim – in Genesis means HeavenS, not Heaven… and so on and so forth.

Actually, you're supposed to pick a definition that works. If I said "walk with me; I have a business offer to make" I'd expect you to think "move on foot with me; I have a desire to cheat you out of your money". If I said "Let's walk; this soldier business is just too barbaric" I expect you to think, "Let's leave the army; those commanders order us to kill too many innocent people.” You have to use the thing above your shoulders, inside that thick, thick skull.

If they were all despicably evil, and were causing only pain to each other.
If the Egyptians would not released the Jews, then thousands more innocent children would have been killed in slavery. Not just older ones as well.
He often tells us what he thinks of a subject in the bible. Other than that, no.
Ask me. I'm a genius. droolio. I have studied it, and can help you with most bits. Alternatively, you could just take a bible course, and see the creativity of thousands of scholars. However, I'm better.
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have studied it, and can help you with most bits. Alternatively, you could just take a bible course, and see the creativity of thousands of scholars. However, I'm better.

"How do YOU know what God thinks?"
From a Christian perspective, the only way we know what God thinks is through the Bible, prayer and prophets. Even then, i doubt anyone could ever know what God truly thinks.

"Who cares what God Thinks??"
ummm how about 'i do' and so do plenty of other Christians!

"Imagine if there was no God, Even if your a die-hard christian, Imagine if he didn't exist.
Now using your rational though, Is homosexuality really a probem or wrong? or is it just that you don't like it because you "god" doesn't like it??"
I know u probably wont believe me but id still thinks its wrong. I only became christian about 4yrs back, even b4 that, i still thought it was wrong.

"But don't make whatever worship crap you have affect me or anyone else in any way! Your religion has no bering on me so don't try to force its morals on me!""
Umm 😕 sorry to point this out but i dont ever recall saying to u (or anyone else for that matter!) that u HAVE to believe what i believe. As if i would force my morals onto u. 😂 As is evident by ur post, it would never work. Besides, i was only putting forward my point of view. 🙄

You know, everyone is still entitled to their opinion. I've got mine, and everyone else has theirs. That's part of what this country is supposed to be about. Morningstar, you think homosexuality is wrong. You also say that god and yuor religion had nothing to do with that opinion. Fine. It's your opinion. But I have mine too. I do not agree with your religion because it treats me like an invalid person. Have you ever considered that you bought in to christianity because IT agreed with YOU?

Beyond that, I would never begrudge a person of a particular religious denomination their right to hold those beliefs and opnions. As long as those beliefs and opinions don't interfere with my right to live in the world, and more importantly THIS COUNTRY, as I see fit. Have your religion all you want, but when there is supposed to be a seperation of church and state in this country, it shouldn't effect my rights. I don't understand why you can be disgusted by people like me, feel pity for people like me, know I'm going to burn in hell for all eternity, and then continue to make it difficult for me. Why? What the hell is your problem? If you can be a christian and mind your own buisness then I'm not talking to you. Following the teachings of the bible, you should be happy when you see two people in love that aren't hurting anyone by being in love. Instead, you want to take something beautiful and healthy, and beat it to death and tie it to a fence in Wyoming to die alone and cold. Why? Why does it matter so much to you?

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Have you ever considered that you bought in to christianity because IT agreed with YOU?

"You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do."

- Anne Lamott

"You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do."

Originally posted by finti
hmm cant been a long study if you look at your profile with the birhtday and all, according to that you just turned 15. So if that is so did you start study it at age 2

Sorry, I'll make that more obvious. Self-important intellectuals will say that their idea is the best, when really they're miles off. So most of the time it's best to find somebody stupid, who has many ideas, and will present them to you. Somebody intelligent if they're good at it, but otherwise someone stupid to tell you what lots of people said. A book also works, if the writer draws in many strands, but it’s best if somebody quotes word for word, what experts said on every side.

still doesnt resolve the thing in your profile that says you just turned 15

Originally posted by finti
still doesnt resolve the thing in your profile that says you just turned 15

I'm quite intelligent, and I've done about six chapters of the bible in depth. I have a basic knowledge of most of it. It is impossible for me to be as good as I said in the post, as I demonstrated with the drooling person. What's the problem? I've explained the tone of voice I'd have been using in the earlier post (Yes, you could use thousands of people's work though of course mine is better than theirs; yes, of course Ytaker...). If you want to verify a bible verse, then the best idea is to ask a person who’s studied it, who knows lots about it. I suggested a bible course. That way you’ll get all the facts first.

"You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do."
God doesnt hate anyone. No one. He loves everyone.

"Have you ever considered that you bought in to christianity because IT agreed with YOU?
Dude i didnt 'buy' into Christianity. i became Christian becoz i realised that Jesus is my saviour . . . . . . . and around this time u guys will tune out so i wont continue. But i didnt become Christian becoz it thought homosexuality was wrong. No offence but that is just stupid.

"I don't understand why you can be disgusted by people like me, feel pity for people like me"
😕 confused1 why would i be disgusted by someone like u?

Originally posted by Morningstar

"Imagine if there was no God, Even if your a die-hard christian, Imagine if he didn't exist.
Now using your rational though, Is homosexuality really a probem or wrong? or is it just that you don't like it because you "god" doesn't like it??"
I know u probably wont believe me but id still thinks its wrong. I only became christian about 4yrs back, even b4 that, i still thought it was wrong.

Then what about it did you find 'wrong'? What I mean is, how are homosexuals affecting you in any way that would make you think what they are doing is wrong? If God doesn't exist, and it is not a sin to be a homosexual, what other issue do you have with it?

Originally posted by Morningstar
Dude i didnt 'buy' into Christianity. i became Christian becoz i realised that Jesus is my saviour . . . . . . . and around this time u guys will tune out so i wont continue. But i didnt become Christian becoz it thought homosexuality was wrong. No offence but that is just stupid.

u guys, what? as in gay people? Please, explain what you mean. I'll apologize if you can convince me that you didn't "buy in" to something. Not that you have to explain anything to me. But for conversations sake.

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Originally posted by Morningstar
I don't understand why you can be disgusted by people like me, feel pity for people like me"
😕 confused1 why would i be disgusted by someone like u?

Just to clearify, and I understand that it was my fault, I wasn't addressing you. That was my point in the "Beyond that". I appreciate the fact that I wasn't clear.

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
Then what about it did you find 'wrong'? What I mean is, how are homosexuals affecting you in any way that would make you think what they are doing is wrong? If God doesn't exist, and it is not a sin to be a homosexual, what other issue do you have with it?

Exactly what I was thinking.

"u guys, what? as in gay people? Please, explain what you mean. I'll apologize if you can convince me that you didn't "buy in" to something. Not that you have to explain anything to me. But for conversations sake."
U guys as in the people on here who arent interested in hearing about the reasons people become Christians. Im sorry if i wasnt clear but i honestly didnt think u would be interested. I became Christian becoz i realised that Jesus paid the price for my sins by dying on the cross, that he was God's only son and that there was a better place that i was going to after this one. THat GOd's love is endless and that he is willing to forgive anyone, no matter who they are or what they did. THat God loves me for who i am, just the way i am. . . . . . . . dude i could go on and on about the reasons i became a Christian i doubt if what ive said has interested u.

"Then what about it did you find 'wrong'? What I mean is, how are homosexuals affecting you in any way that would make you think what they are doing is wrong? If God doesn't exist, and it is not a sin to be a homosexual, what other issue do you have with it?"
ok well - - its a hard qn to answer coz ive been Christian for a fair while but i suppose the way i thought i shouldnt have deemed as 'wrong.' Maybe the correct word should have been 'unusual.' Maybe it was just because of the - i dunno, the way society isnt all that accepting. 😕 ok now im confusing myself. DUde u caught me on that one. i dunno its hard to explain. Can i answer that qn when im more awake. 🙂

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
Then what about it did you find 'wrong'? What I mean is, how are homosexuals affecting you in any way that would make you think what they are doing is wrong? If God doesn't exist, and it is not a sin to be a homosexual, what other issue do you have with it?

ok i had a chance to think about this one 🙂 I think my main concerns with homosexuality before i was christian was that if a couple (whether it be male male or female female) lived together/were married and then decided to adopt a child, there wouldnt be a 'Mum and Dad' so to speak to promote the 'normal' father/mother relationship that is taught at schools/when the child is growing up. It would be hard on the child at school and through life. *shrugs*

It would be hard on the child at school and through life. *shrugs*

Originally posted by finti
yeah if you let the bullies set the rules

It's rare that you have vastly superior physical prowess, mental force, or the pure adrenaline to stop bullies. Those bastards can normally pick on people. Plus most people don't tell. Society sets the long-term guidelines, and most bullies can live within them quite easily.

OK, "peeps", it is time for an education.

Homosexuality has little to do with environmental influence. Studies have been done and it has been discovered that homosexuals and heterosexuals often have similar childhood experiences in the fields of: parental relationships, childhood sexual experiences, peer relationships, and dating experiences. Also, homosexuals who go through therapy programs via churches and the like have limited success--so, even if they desperately WANT to be heterosexual, they seem to be unable to do so.

There are also a host of biological differences between homosexuals and heterosexuals.

Brain differences.

The hypothalamic cell cluster is larger in straight men than in women and gay men (the same difference is seen in sheep showing same-sex versus other-sex attraction).

Gay men have a larger corpus callosum than women or straight men.

Genetic influences.

Shared sexual orientation is higher among identical twins than among fraternal twins.

Sexual attraction in male fruit flies can be genetically manipulated.

Prenatal hormonal influences.

Altered prenatal hormone exposure may lead to homosexuality in humans and other animals.

Men with several older brothers are more likely to be gay.

Observed homosexual-heterosexual differences in:

Spatial abilities.
Fingerprint ridge counts.
Auditory system.
Handedness.
Occupational preferences.
Relative finger lengths.
Gender noncomformity.
Age of male puberty.
Male body size.

(Thank God for AP Psychology 🙂.)

Now, I'm sure that there are some of you who say, "What a bunch of BS!"

I would assume that some of you here are Christians like myself. This is my main evidence from the Bible:

Romans 1:24-27 "Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen. Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."

It's rare that you have vastly superior physical prowess, mental force, or the pure adrenaline to stop bullies. Those bastards can normally pick on people. Plus most people don't tell. Society sets the long-term guidelines, and most bullies can live within them quite easily