Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
So, does god think that homosexuality is chosen or genetic? I mean, he did give us "free will". Granted, he then turned around and said that we would go to hell for exercising it.
He dislikes chosen gayness, like the attempted mass rapes early in the bible (loads of men and boys wanted to screw the Jewish foreigner, but the man who owned the house that the foreigner slept in asked them to take his daughter instead because the foreigner was a guest). I don't think he minds if your sexual desires run a little differently though.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
So, does god think that homosexuality is chosen or genetic? I mean, he did give us "free will". Granted, he then turned around and said that we would go to hell for exercising it.
You have had freedom, since July 4th 1776, but you still can't hit people and get away with it. Freedom without limits is just another word.
"I've got to make the point though, that gayness is unnatural. "
I can’t remember who said this, but anything that occurs “IN THE NATURAL WORLD” is natural.
The above argument usually goes on to claim, that gayness is unnatural because it can’t produce offspring. But let’s face it… a lot of sexual practices among heterosexuals do NOT produce offspring EITHER (Such as oral-sex.).
Straight people STILL engage in these practices, but NO ONE calls them unnatural.
SO that argument doesn’t work.
We do not only have or want to have sex when the female is “fertile”. I could argue, that anyone NOT having sex when the end-result could result in offspring is ALSO engaging in unnatural sex.
No?
I thought so.
So the mere FACT that we humans do engage in sexual practices which CANNOT result in offspring, and delight in having sex at all times during the month shows that our sexuality is not natural in the sense that it’s function is to make us procreate. The fact that we USE contraception shows this as well.
About the “Thou shalt not kill/murder.” I suppose they changed it from kill to murder, as a soldier is killing… Or murdering… or????
Homosexuality and the Bible
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gay/long.htm
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibl.htm
I said it, and I was referring to the fact that just because a feature wasn't common, doesn't mean that it's bad. I was using the meaning "deviating from a social norm" rather than a violation of a natural law. It really annoys me when people complain because the word doesn't have the meaning they want.
Some people might call a couple that engages in oral sex unnatural. Some people would also call condoms unnatural. He really hasn't looked at society much.
Again, this is only a development that humans have made for convenience. Some people find it evil to murder a child, as they see it, before birth.
"English is no longer spoken as it appears in the King James version of The Bible therefore, the modern English version is much more relevant."
So if there was a passage saying:
"And when Jesus walked on water, Peter said: "Holy shit dude! Freakin awesome!'"
It would be more relevant than what was said in the bible?
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"English is no longer spoken as it appears in the King James version of The Bible therefore, the modern English version is much more relevant."So if there was a passage saying:
"And when Jesus walked on water, Peter said: "Holy shit dude! Freakin awesome!'"
It would be more relevant than what was said in the bible?
-AC
The concern is not the prose of the translation but its accuracy. Do you mean to tell me that a translation from Latin which is no longer spoken to Old English which is also no longer spoken is somehow more relevant than a direct translation from Latin and Greek to Modern English? Get real.
from Latin and Greek to Modern English? Get realyet all the scandinavian languages and german all of them translate it into "You shall not kill". In Norway were we have a mandatory military service, those with religious convictions that killing is a sin period are exempted of military services, some choose to be army chaplains though.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"English is no longer spoken as it appears in the King James version of The Bible therefore, the modern English version is much more relevant."So if there was a passage saying:
"And when Jesus walked on water, Peter said: "Holy shit dude! Freakin awesome!'"
It would be more relevant than what was said in the bible?
-AC
Actually, according to the street bible, Peter said "If it's you boss, give me a go?!"(of the water walking) and "Grab me Jesus" (of the drowning)
Translation info
http://www.forward.com/issues/2004/04.01.09/arts5.philologos.html
http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Topical.show/RTD/CGG/ID/350
Thou Shalt Not Kill
Throughout the Bible God has plenty to say about the taking of an innocent life. Most people in our nation, though they may not be familiar with all of the Ten Commandments, know that "Thou Shalt Not Kill" is listed there somewhere. The word "kill" in this instance, specifically refers to "murder"--a premeditated and deliberate act of taking someone's life. It is different than other forms of taking a life, which could be accidental, or in self-defense. God has different laws regarding different sorts of death. But He continually opposes and speaks against murder, especially murder of the innocent.
Do not pollute the land where you are. Bloodshed pollutes the land and atonement cannot be made for the land on which the blood has been shed, except by the blood of the one who shed it. Do not defile the land where you live. Numbers 35:33-34
God's judgement against the killing of an innocent life grows out of His love for humankind. The crime of murder is not only an offense against the sanctity of life, it is a pollutant upon the very land we live. God wants to spare us of the variety of ways this pollution is manifested. When the land becomes defiled with sin, people cry out "where is God?" yet they refuse to take responsibility for breaking His laws which were only given to us for our protection and good. Each sin that we commit is not merely an isolated incident, but will set off a chain reaction of other sins if not dealt with. Since the legalization of abortion for instance, child abuse has increased over 1000%. This is the exact opposite of what those who legalized abortion thought it would do since it was assumed that only children who were initially unwanted were abused.
In Psalm 106 God speaks specifically against killing innocent children and babies. He says of His people: They mingled with the nations and adopted their customs. They worshipped their idols which became a snare to them. They sacrificed their sons and their daughter to demons. They shed innocent blood, the blood of their sons and daughters whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan and the land was desecrated by their blood.
Today we may scoff, or wonder in disbelief how anyone, especially someone who claimed to follow God, could sacrifice their child to an idol or a demon. Yet, an idol is anything that we worship before God. Today, children are sacrificed to the idols of selfishness, convenience, "freedom," and ambition--sacrificed to the very demonic powers that are behind such idols. Times really haven't changed that much. Human nature hasn't changed, nor has Satan's schemes against that which God considered so precious that He died to redeem it--human life.
Re: Translation info
Originally posted by Ytaker
Since the legalization of abortion for instance, child abuse has increased over 1000%. This is the exact opposite of what those who legalized abortion thought it would do since it was assumed that only children who were initially unwanted were abused.
The problem with your example is that correlation is not causation. Just because two events occur together, it does not follow from this that one is causing the other. Since the legalization of abortion, the number of violent crimes has increased as well as the number of sexually transmitted diseases. Can we attribute these to abortion too?
Originally posted by naybean
does it matter? unless u live by the bible whether its kill or murder doesnt really make much of a difference.
well that would be debateable. How would u differentiate between murder and killing? Just curious. . . . . . .
"So, does god think that homosexuality is chosen or genetic?"
For an answer to a qn like that, ud have to read the Bible. *shrugs*
Who cares what God Thinks??
Imagine if there was no God, Even if your a die-hard christian, Imagine if he didn't exist.
Now using your rational though, Is homosexuality really a probem or wrong? or is it just that you don't like it because you "god" doesn't like it??
Ever heard of the saying "live and let live"??
Yea ya know what that means?
GO ahead worship your "God" and do whatever you need to make your life seem "fufilled" But don't make whatever worship crap you have affect me or anyone else in any way! Your religion has no bering on me so don't try to force its morals on me!
Well, since I'm a Christian, the Bible says homosexuality is wrong, if it is wrong (according to the Bible), that would mean it is not genetic. But then there are some people who discover that they are homosexuals later in life. Which makes the situation very difficult. I'm not really sure about this. Sorry.
Originally posted by Morningstar
well that would be debateable. How would u differentiate between murder and killing? Just curious...
kill v. To terminate life.
mur·der n. The unjust or unwarranted termination life.
Originally posted by sailormoon
Well, since I'm a Christian, the Bible says homosexuality is wrong, if it is wrong (according to the Bible), that would mean it is not genetic.
The Bible makes moral claims about homosexuality but says nothing about whether or not it is chosen or genetic.