Originally posted by Phoenix
I think conventions such as 'homosexual' and 'heterosexual' are damaging and constricting. You don't fall in love with a gender, you fall in love with a person
Most of the time you fall in love with a male or female don't you? You fall in love with a person, but you would only fall for a certain... species? Slightly rude, but it works. You might fall in love with somebody who's over 5', under 6'10, has an IQ above 80, below 195, homosexual, human... That sort of stuff. You find it difficult to love a midget, being 6'3 yourself, or a giant, you cannot talk to anyone really stupid or really smart, and have a mind-block straight out for falling for animals, or opposite sex people. Those sorts of contrictions.
Originally posted by Phoenix
I think conventions such as 'homosexual' and 'heterosexual' are damaging and constricting. You don't fall in love with a gender, you fall in love with a person
again it deals with choice! you choose to fall in love with that person... either it's a male or female it's a choice none the less...... in other words you can choose to be gay or not.....
a originally posted by advebt childso you a choose to fall in love with persons regardless of their personality.
again it deals with choice! you choose to fall in love with that person... either it's a male or female it's a choice none the less...... in other words you can choose to be gay or not.....
Try to wear red socks just for the heck of it huh Advent C
by the way your name really describe the state of your mind in this matter
Originally posted by AdventChild
Originally posted by Phoenix
I think conventions such as 'homosexual' and 'heterosexual' are damaging and constricting. You don't fall in love with a gender, you fall in love with a personagain it deals with choice! you choose to fall in love with that person... either it's a male or female it's a choice none the less...... in other words you can choose to be gay or not.....
Have you ever been in love?
so you believe that being gay is genetic
tell me why you think so..... i find it hard to believe that a person would be born Gay... i mean what proof is there to prove that it's genetic... i'm not trying to attack any one on this i'm simply stating my opinion but to say that i'm a dushbag and that my mind is in a state of a child isn't what this subject is about....if you believe it's genetic tell me explain why... if it's a choice also explain why..... i simply believe that it's a choice. i think that some people find the same gender attractive by choice.... it's a matter also about how've they've been raised and what goes on in their life... but i definetly don't think that ur born gay..... AGAIN it's my opinion on this thred....
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Yeah, that still doesn't mean that you choose to do or not do that action...
Okay, you people who say you can choose who you fall in love with, I've got a challenge for you...could you go out, pick a random person off the street, and choose to fall in love with them? It won't work. I'm very much in love with someone, but did I choose for that to happen? No! It happened by itself! Why? Because you cannot control your feelings. I'm learning about this right now in my psychology class, and people have very little control over their feelings and how they feel.
u do have a extreamly good point... but you do choose to like some body.... either cuz it's their looks or personality or what not.... and depending on the relationship with that person you have, that determines if you fall in love with that person or not.... so i guess sure you're right about love not really bein a choice but is being a homosexual a choice? 😕
Feceman> “That does not change the fact that Pharaoh deserved to be punished for his enslavement of the races, and, as I said, God was multiplying His own glory.”
Yes, it DOES change the ”fact”. Pharaoh had his heart hardened by God, and God made sure the Pharaoh would act as he did, so God was just plain bloodthirsty.
Say, should God kill the first-borns of all who’ve had slaves??
Ytaker> You still owe me an answer on ” Tell me, then, how was I supposed to GUESS, that when you used unnatural it meant "deviating from a social norm" rather than a violation of a natural law??”
”He can decide whether they are all evil, being God.”
Oh, REALLY? So God DECIDED that the people prior to The Flood were EVIL?!?!? Why not decide to make them good?
”There is no comparison to a society that evil, throughout history.”
Huh?
”If God exists, he could decide, If he didn't he didn't, he couldn't do a thing.” Say again, what? God decides people are evil? If he didn’t exist he couldn’t decide? You make exactly ZERO sense now.
”He cannot alter the free will of people without screwing up the world.”
Si when God hardened the Pharaohs heart in Exodus that was not screwing with free will??
”It would be equivalent to in an AIDs V Nanobots test, analysing the genetic structure of the AIDs with a supercomputer, and sending it to a Nanobot. It would make it invalid. If he fiddles once, the world collapses. It isn't worth it.”
More nonsense. How would using nanobots to cure AIDS make ”it” invalid. Define ”it” here. How can an omnipotent beings action make a world collapse. He can just say ”do not collapse, no”? Or is God NOT all-powerful?
”By what the words say. They record the flow of God's mind. I can "see" the ink on the pages, twisted into weird things called "letters".”
Yeah, written by humans.
” If you join a cause, and reap the benefits, you are to blame for the affects.” News-flash. The Egyptians didn’t really elect the Pharaoh.
Adventchild> No, you do not CONSCIOUSLY choose who you like or fall in love with. Anyone who claims this, I think, has never been head over heels in love with someone, and thought “awww, why HIM (or her)? This is SO inconvenient!! He’s not even… Argh… Why HIM? Why do I…?? (insert the rest)”.
Homosexuality has apparently always existed. Even when it was outlawed. Why would anyone risk imprisonment (or worse), or social stigmas or being beaten by goons if they could chose not to?
Yes, it DOES change the ”fact”. Pharaoh had his heart hardened by God, and God made sure the Pharaoh would act as he did, so God was just plain bloodthirsty.
Erm...Pharaoh had already acted by enslaving the Israelites. Yes, God hardened his heart. It was a bit bloodthirsty, yes, but then you haven't read the part in the Old Testament where God ordered that the Israelites decimate a people because said people had waylaid the Israelites some years back.
AdventChild>
Homosexuality is natural in the sense that it…
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[*]is present in or faithfully represents nature or life.
[*]is a phenomenon expressive of natural conditions.
[*]conforms to the usual and ordinary course of the material world and its phenomena.[/list]
Illustrating that homosexuality is natural is the fact that it extensively occurs in nature; Homosexuality has been documented in over 190 species and can be observed in nearly all sexually reproducing organisms, the exception being bacteria.
Studies of human sexuality indicate that sexual orientation is fixed and unchangeable, and current research suggests that sexual orientation is in place before birth and is caused by genetic and biological factors:
In 1991, Simon LeVey, neuroanatomist for the Salk Institute, found that the INAH3 structure of the hypothalamus in homosexual men is twice as small as those of heterosexual men, more closely resembling those of heterosexual women.
Seven years later, findings published in the March edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences by researchers at the University of Texas - Austin report that the cochlea structure in homosexual women more closely resembles that of heterosexual men.
In both studies, the difference in the structures of homosexuals is attributed to hormone exposure in the womb, evidence that sexual orientation has a biological substrate.
A fingerprint study by J.A.Y. Hall and D. Kumura at the University of Western Ontario at London ON Canada found that a significant percentage of homosexuals have excess ridges on their left hand digits compared to their right hand digits, a characteristic that was not shared by heterosexuals.
This study shows a genetic link to sexual orientation that is determined before birth as fingerprints are fully developed in a fetus before the 17th week and do not change thereafter.
A study by Psychologist Michael Bailey of Northwestern University and Psychiatrist Richard Pillard of Boston University found that if one sibling is homosexual the likelihood of an identical twin also being homosexual is 52%, the likelihood of a fraternal twin being homosexual is 22%, and the likelihood of a genetic or non-genetic sibling being homosexual is 10%.
They also found that in most instances in which identical twins are separated at birth and one twin is homosexual, the other twin is also homosexual.
This study shows that sexuality has a genetic component and is not determined by life experiences.
Dean Hamer at the National Cancer Institute examined the DNA of 40 homosexuals and found that ALL shared a genetic marker in the Xq28 region of the X chromosome.
More recently, Camperio-Ciani of the University of Padua - Italy found that there is no single "gay gene" but rather several genes responsible for sexual orientation. He identified that genetic components are indeed linked to the X chromosome and that there are other components likely to be on other chromosomes as well.
Furthermore, there is currently no scientific evidence that sexual orientation is learned or can be changed.
Consider for a moment that almost all gay men and lesbians have grown up in a heterosexual world, with very little exposure to homosexuality. The overwhelming majority of gay men and lesbians were raised by heterosexual parents, educated by heterosexual teachers, and socialized with heterosexual siblings and friends. They were surrounded by heterosexism in magazines, books, movies and on television, yet they grew up to be gay.
Whilst searching for the post with unnatural in...
Originally posted by The Omega
Ytaker> “Try and see my point. I'm saying that you can't wrap your mind round it, and so you must try to use logic. Not feelings, logic.”
Practice what you preach.
While the mind cannot PICTURE infinity, we can indeed work with it as a, say, mathematical concept. So don’t go logic on me…
Try instead … to make a point.
I said that you have to use logic, and I stated that you could just go on the feeling that you were right. I stated that Pi was an example of what you could do to box infinity. Copycat.
Originally posted by The Omega
Feceman> “That does not change the fact that Pharaoh deserved to be punished for his enslavement of the races, and, as I said, God was multiplying His own glory.”Yes, it DOES change the ”fact”. Pharaoh had his heart hardened by God, and God made sure the Pharaoh would act as he did, so God was just plain bloodthirsty.
Say, should God kill the first-borns of all who’ve had slaves??
Ytaker> You still owe me an answer on ” Tell me, then, how was I supposed to GUESS, that when you used unnatural it meant "deviating from a social norm" rather than a violation of a natural law??”
”He can decide whether they are all evil, being God.”
Oh, REALLY? So God DECIDED that the people prior to The Flood were EVIL?!?!? Why not decide to make them good?”There is no comparison to a society that evil, throughout history.”
Huh?”If God exists, he could decide, If he didn't he didn't, he couldn't do a thing.” Say again, what? God decides people are evil? If he didn’t exist he couldn’t decide? You make exactly ZERO sense now.
”He cannot alter the free will of people without screwing up the world.”
Si when God hardened the Pharaohs heart in Exodus that was not screwing with free will??”It would be equivalent to in an AIDs V Nanobots test, analysing the genetic structure of the AIDs with a supercomputer, and sending it to a Nanobot. It would make it invalid. If he fiddles once, the world collapses. It isn't worth it.”
More nonsense. How would using nanobots to cure AIDS make ”it” invalid. Define ”it” here. How can an omnipotent beings action make a world collapse. He can just say ”do not collapse, no”? Or is God NOT all-powerful?”By what the words say. They record the flow of God's mind. I can "see" the ink on the pages, twisted into weird things called "letters".”
Yeah, written by humans.” If you join a cause, and reap the benefits, you are to blame for the affects.” News-flash. The Egyptians didn’t really elect the Pharaoh.
Adventchild> No, you do not CONSCIOUSLY choose who you like or fall in love with. Anyone who claims this, I think, has never been head over heels in love with someone, and thought “awww, why HIM (or her)? This is SO inconvenient!! He’s not even… Argh… Why HIM? Why do I…?? (insert the rest)”.
Homosexuality has apparently always existed. Even when it was outlawed. Why would anyone risk imprisonment (or worse), or social stigmas or being beaten by goons if they could chose not to?
34 When Pharaoh saw that the rain and hail and thunder had stopped, he sinned again: He and his officials hardened their hearts. 35 So Pharaoh's heart was hard and he would not let the Israelites go, just as the LORD had said through Moses.
The suggestion is that God predicted that asking the Pharaoh for the release would make him harden his heart.
Not sure. I cannot find the original. I'll get back to you on that.
God doesm't change freewill. The purpose of humanity is to provide relationships, and those must be chosen, or be worthless. He made Adam, Adam choose to disobey, and humanity choose a dark route that lead to near unimaginable evil. Free choice really is a bummer.
There is no comaprisan to a world where every single person except a single family was evil.
See above. Moses asked the Pharoah to surrender a valuble commodity. Naturally, the Pharoah choose to not give in. Free choice again
Humanity collapse then. With the nanobots, I was making the point that you have to let some things take their path to furfilment. A virus adapts, so if the creator fiddles with them, then when they enter widespread use, then they might not work. Putting in a few other random factors is OK though. If God did an action that broke the common laws, then they wouldn't be a constant. The world must have common laws, or it will contastly need modifications, and thus stop freewill.
Written by humans, on God's will. I can write that Napoleon thought that the alliance outnumbered him. It's likely that when they did, he thought that. In his language of course.
They worshiped him as God-King, and freely gave their labour. They reaped the benefits of such worship. They might not have choosen him, but they supported him on every step. They joined his cause. After he was elected.
One thing I don't understand is: why does God make unnecessary obstacles for itself. If what God really wanted was a world full of law abiding Christians who followed every commandment to a tee, why didn't God just make humans that way without giving us our free will to choose whether we want to do good or evil. That is one of the logics behind "God" that I never understood. Why give humans the capacity to be evil if what God truly wants is a world without evil? If God is in fact all powerful than God could easily take away our free will, correct?
Originally posted by Afro Cheese
One thing I don't understand is: why does God make unnecessary obstacles for itself. If what God really wanted was a world full of law abiding Christians who followed every commandment to a tee, why didn't God just make humans that way without giving us our free will to choose whether we want to do good or evil. That is one of the logics behind "God" that I never understood. Why give humans the capacity to be evil if what God truly wants is a world without evil? If God is in fact all powerful than God could easily take away our free will, correct?
Freewill=the possiblity of greatness. Goodness. Evolution. He could snap his metaphorical fingers and make freewill vanish, but then we couldn't choose to love him. Since the purpose of creating humanity was to get people to love him, the action would be worthless if he removed that ability. God doesn't care about evil, just the affect it has on us. Making a world without freewill would be like having a pie machine that didn't make pies. Pies machines are a bit more messy than a pieless machine, but do actually earn some money.