Originally posted by Ha-Son
No it couldn't. Again, the position Wolverine had made it very difficult for Cap to strike Wolverine.If Cap got into a striking match, he would've taken a few slashes and all Logan needs in one slash.
True the mount is a hard position but its been proven escapable.
If Cap got into a striking match, he would've taken a few slashes and all Logan needs in one slash.
Agreed but lets not pretend Logan get the kill slash on a elite martial artist. He's missed many times on Daredevil, Electra, Ironfist, and other fighters even Cap. But because of Logan's healing factor, I do give him the majority.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I think it was stated that Wolverine had the mind of a werewolf. He was in a beserk rage but not a Wolverine beserk rage. His rage would have still made it harder for him to put down.
Do you recall when the scene was, I'm going to flip through it now and it would help?
Originally posted by Daredevil1Agreed but lets not pretend Logan get the kill slash on a elite martial artist. He's missed many times on Daredevil, Electra, Ironfist, and other fighters even Cap. But because of Logan's healing factor, I do give him the majority.
One time Logan was mind controlled. The other he put DD in a full nelson in like 5 pannels...........
elektra.........fought a haft dead wolverine..........and had help.
IF fought Logan prior to his development of his character........he was not even written as a MA at the time........
capt was given a blood clot by Logan............
I just re-checked some of the issues. And Dr.Dredmod or whatever his name is used his mysticism of the mind to control Logan and the other warewolfs so I didn't read anywere were it stated Logan had the mind of a wolf at all.
Dredmond even stated that they don't need him in transformation with his abilites since the Wolf formula did not work.
So far I don't see anything that suggests it was a warewolf berserk Logan. Unless there's another issue.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
I just re-checked some of the issues. And Dr.Dredmod or whatever his name is used his mysticism of the mind to control Logan and the other warewolfs so I didn't read anywere were it stated Logan had the mind of a wolf at all.Dredmond even stated that they don't need him in transformation with his abilites since the Wolf formula did not work.
So far I don't see anything that suggests it was a warewolf berserk Logan. Unless there's another issue.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
missed many times vs DD? They fought twice.One time Logan was mind controlled.
Enemy of state Logan didn't slash DD yes, he was mindcontrolled but he was still a beast as he defeated Thing and outsmarted Torch and his other feats.
The other time DD put Logan down via pressure points as Logan didn't land his claws on him again.
The other he put DD in a full nelson in like 5 pannels...........
True that he did. And could have done so there probably but thats just assumption. Logan actually tried to sneak attack Daredevil during secret wars with his claws out as DD again easily avoided him.
elektra.........fought a haft dead wolverine..........and had help.
True but her rooftop fight with Logan she avoided him well for a while up until the end.
[/QUOTE] IF fought Logan prior to his development of his character........he was not even written as a MA at the time........[/QUOTE]
True but continuity is continuity. I didn't like how easily Logan got Daredevil in a nelson but it happened and I accept it.
capt was given a blood clot by Logan............
Indeed. But capt had Logan in the advantage with the sword and he made Logan's claws null and void in one instance.
Plus there V1 fight Logan wasn't able to slash Cap. My point remains Logan takes the majority but lets not go pretending it will be easy.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
dude it was clearly implied he had the mind of a werewolf.............he was acting like a wild animall...............he could not even talk............
And you would be wrong as he was in the cellar locked away by Dredmod IIRC as he was yelling at Cap....talking to let him out. But of course Cap didn't since he was still under Dr. Druidmons mind influence.
If he has a mind of a werwolf prove it? Show me were and I'll gladly concede the point.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Enemy of state Logan didn't slash DD yes, he was mindcontrolled but he was still a beast as he defeated Thing and outsmarted Torch and his other feats.
He did not out smart torch……..he tackled him…..
Yea he beat thing………not that it really matter even mind controlled he still be a better fighter then thing.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
The other time DD put Logan down via pressure points as Logan didn't land his claws on him again.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
True that he did. And could have done so there probably but thats just assumption. Logan actually tried to sneak attack Daredevil during secret wars with his claws out as DD again easily avoided him.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
True but her rooftop fight with Logan she avoided him well for a while up until the end.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
True but continuity is continuity. I didn't like how easily Logan got Daredevil in a nelson but it happened and I accept it.
Logan was not written with any MA knowledge at the time making it a rather irrelevant example
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Indeed. But capt had Logan in the advantage with the sword and he made Logan's claws null and void in one instance.
No he did not capt clearly lost that encounter………..Logan could have killed capt more then onces.
Hell the only reason capt was able to get the sword is becuases Logan assumed he was done for the count which he should have been, but due to the sss he was not.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Plus there V1 fight Logan wasn't able to slash Cap. My point remains Logan takes the majority but lets not go pretending it will be easy.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
And you would be wrong as he was in the cellar locked away by Dredmod IIRC as he was yelling at Cap....talking to let him out. But of course Cap didn't since he was still under Dr. Druidmons mind influence.If he has a mind of a werwolf prove it? Show me were and I'll gladly concede the point.
oh your not even refferring the the issue they fought in, but a later issue.
............dude it was pritty evident, but what ever believe what you wish. he clearly was not in control of him self during the fight and was mindless animal. acting just like the werewolfs.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well YOU said he was trying to KO him, how is he going to do that by holding his arms apart?Hitting him in the mid-air would have given him a much greater chance of Koing him but he went for an option that would not have Koed him.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
..........what ar eyou talking about?oh your not even refferring the the issue they fought in, but a later issue.
............dude it was pritty evident, but what ever believe what you wish. he clearly was not in control of him self during the fight and was mindless animal. acting just like the werewolfs.
Prove it.
Dr. Druidmont used the formula to create his army wolfs but used his mastery of the mind to control them. Two different distinctions.
Even that wolf chick who is a regular mutant like Wolverine, stated she can smell spells and smelled that Logan's mind is under the enchantement, while Logan was Locked away. It was Dr. Druid Cap's friend who released them out of it by his own magic. Dr.Druid can't reverse the wolf formula since it wasn't done by magic, but he can for the mind spell.
If you have proof then "prove it". Its as easy as that.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Prove it.Dr. Druidmont used the formula to create his army but used his mastery of the mind to control them. Two different distinctions.
Even that wolf chick who is a regular mutant like Wolverine, stated she can smell spells and smelled that Logan's mind is under the enchantement, while Logan was Locked away. It was Dr. Druid Cap's friend who released them out of it by his own magic. Dr.Druid can't reverse the wolf formula since it wasn't done by magic but he can for the mind spell.
If you have proof then "prove it". Its as easy as that.
does it really matter?
I mean does it change what happen?
I mean either way Logan was not in his right mind, was acting mindless
so werewolf minded or simply mindless makes no differneces. he was not him self and was not fighting like a skilled MA do to out side sources.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
does it really matter?I mean does it change what happen?
I mean either way Logan was not in his right mind, was acting mindless
so werewolf minded or simply mindless makes no differneces. he was not him self and was not fighting like a skilled MA do to out side sources.
No offense but the majority of his fights against street level characters is nice but he just doesn't look as skilled.
With you not being able to prove had a wolf mind despite my evidence after re checking the issues. Its obvious you just want to believe what you want. Druidmond stated they wanted Logan for his abilites since making him into a superhuman warewolf failed. He had other qualities that he liked about him which is what....skill.......berserk.....and a killer. He wouldn't take away those qualities with his mind spell.
Your right he was not himself. Be he still very lethal and very much in berserk mode as Captain America stated in there fight.
I'll see you haven't shown any evidence for you stance so I take it as that.
If you can't even concede to this then there is no point for me to continue on the various other fights that Logan had with the elite martial artists.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
No offense but the majority of his fights against street level characters is nice but he just doesn't look as skilled.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
With you not being able to prove he was mind-controlled despite my evidence after re checking the issues. Its obvious you just want to believe what you want. Druidmond stated they wanted Logan for his abilites since making him into a superhuman warewolf failed. He had other qualities that he liked about him which is what....skill.......berserk.....and a killer. He wouldn't take away those qualities with his mind spell.
Sorry, but it a fatc mind control effects ones skills
He was acting completely mindless and unrational during the fight. Druidmond knows nothing of wolverine berserker nor his fighting skills.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Your right he was not himself. Be he still very lethal and very much in berserk mode as Captain America stated in there fight.
He retains all his fighting skills and intellect while berserker and does not act like a mindless beast which he was acting like during his fight with capt. It also amps his stats which were not amp during his fight with capt or capt be dead. He also next to impossiable to control while berserker.
Capt speculated he was berserker, because Logan was attacking him. How the hell would capt know what berserker wolverine looks like? He did not even see a berserker wolverine untill wolverine origins issue 5 which happen years after this fight.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
I'll see you haven't shown any evidence for you stance so I take it as that.
My stances is that Logan was not berserker. He was not in his right mind. He was acting wilded and unskilled.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
If you can't even concede to this then there is no point for me to continue on the various other fights that Logan had with the elite martial artists.
What?
\you mean like logan sneaking attacking DD during secret war which never happened..................and I still wondering why you stated such a thing
I just want to know, how is cap going to beat wolverine? When someone answer that question then I can see a debate happening. Another question, how is cap going to beat wolverine before wolverine could get one good swipe. Could cap down wolverine with the amazing healing factor that he has before wolverine could even land a lick. I truly think that is impossible.
Originally posted by Ha-Son
He has more than one option of trying to KO him, trying to strike him while he's lunging at him would only make sense to some one who has no background in MA (YOU).
You know what you obvoulsy dont know what the hell you're talking about and you are a complete waste of time. Im not even going to give you the time of day.
Originally posted by carver9
I just want to know, how is cap going to beat wolverine? When someone answer that question then I can see a debate happening. Another question, how is cap going to beat wolverine before wolverine could get one good swipe. Could cap down wolverine with the amazing healing factor that he has before wolverine could even land a lick. I truly think that is impossible.
Wolverine has a reduced HF and Cap has stunned Professor Hulk and KOed Namor underwater. Both those guys are harder to stun or KO than Wolverine presently.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I dont think he expected to get shot in the neck by a needle. Remember his reaction was that he was suprised.Oh yeah you know you admitted that Cap was more skilled.
How was Cap unaware of Moonstone being there when he's talking full sentences to Wolverine about his success over Cap?
And there's nothing to indicate that Cap was surprised in the least... 😬
"Must move! nnnn---"
He knew it was coming and couldn't do anything about it. He wasn't about to defend himself against Wolverine.
And.. Uh.. no I didn't. 🤨