Who was a better batman Adam West or Michael Keaton?

Huh? you agree with me so why are you shaking your finger in my face? that makes no sense. 🙄 Just to clarify what I am saying,i dont think Keaton was terrible,he did a decent job.But as I said many many times before,he was so horribly miscast because of his physical build that he was not credible in the role.the thing I hate about the argument of who cares if he wasnt right for the role,his acting was awesome is according to that absurd logic,Dustin Hoffman should have been cast for the role because he's a much better actor than keaton is so if you are only concerned about someone doing a good acting job as many people here are,then dustin hoffman should have been cast for that role.many people here remind me of this moron name DA CROWE at superherohype-he's a moron because he insults people anytime they bash keaton as batman and when he doesnt agree with people,no matter how many times you explain to that guy da crowe that keaton should never have been cast for the role because he didnt even come close to fitting the role and thats why he was not credible in the role,it just went through one ear and out the other with him.som,e people here are the same way as that guy DA CROWE.if you ever come across that guys user name at any message beoard dont try and get into a discussion with him because he is impossible to debate with because he will just insult you anytime he disagrees with you.

just cuz people think VK is better as Batman doesn't mean they think (in your words) Keaton SUCKED as him....tha'ts putting words in people's mouths.

I know that.I have never said that Keaton sucked in the way he played batman,thats putting words in MY mouth.Just look at my last post,I said he gave a DECENT performance.I just always say he sucked as batman only because of how physically wrong he was for the role because when you dont even come close to physically fitting the role,no matter how great an actor you are,you bring no credibility to the role because as any GOOD director will tell you,fitting the role is whats first and foremost important in being cast for the role,not how good an actor you are.as I mentioned earlier,I have a friend who does community theater,he's a great actor,but he has lot out on roles before because as he later learned from the director,it was because he didnt physically fit the part which is an EXTREMELY important part in the casting of roles which some people around here obviously dont understand.

golly hope i haven't started the fight again! 😮

i shake my finger coz you said bakerboy is the only one who agrees that kilmer was the best of the bunch, ignoring me! 😛

actually, not to put too fine a point on it, i wouldn't say that he was the best of the bunch so much as i would say i *liked* him the best in the role. i do hear the logic of your argument about dustin hoffman, though. makes sense. and besides, that kind of movie is not really likely to have an oscar nomination for best male lead, after all. it's shot more for fun than for breathtaking acting.

i watched that first batman movie again a bit ago, not having seen it in a long time, and my first reaction when i saw him (minus the mask) was "My GOSH, he looks so young!" but that said.... VK was my fav. 🙂

Kilmer was ok, West was ok, Clooney(don't wanna go there) and Keaton was what I consider Batman. Dude, I would probably fit the character and physical part pretty well. I was just watching BATMAN and Batman Returns today and I saw something that made me think, why did Joker kill Bob?(his number one guy) And does anyone know where I can get BTAS Vol. 1 and 2 at a store? Circut City? BestBuy? Where?

why did Joker kill Bob?(his number one guy)

he was angry...

and the duston hoffman thing is just patronizing...

Vol one should be at a type of mall, I think you can also order it on line.

As for why Joker killed Bob, Well in the comics, movies ete, Joker always kill his hectmen, For not laughing at a turn or what ever.

IT also show how crazy Joker was by killing Bob.

He stole my Balloons, He stole my Balloons, Why didnt some one tell me he had one of thsos things. Bob Gun, Bang.

Classic.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
I know that.I have never said that Keaton sucked in the way he played batman,thats putting words in MY mouth.

HAHAHAH...what are you TALKING ABOUT? You've just ranted for god knows how many posts on the way "Keaton played an idiotic, bumbling, Clark Kent-ish Wayne" and then on "Keaton sucks as Bats, he can't even fight that Joker goon." How is that not saying "Keaton sucks in the way he played Batman?" 🙄

Or a few posts ago: "awesome.Great to see someone else on here besides me and bakerboy who agrees that Keaton sucked as batman and Kilmer was the best so far."

I understand you went back and edited your post above to clarify your points but when you said that at first, it threw me off guard. "Sucking at playing" and "sucking as" means the same to many people. 😎

Hmm...Dustin Hoffman? IMO Michael Keaton is SO not comparable to Dustin Hoffman. That's like saying "uh....Michael Clark Duncan (if you believe him to be a great actor) can be a grreat Batman too but he's black, so he doens't physically fit the role." Not a valid comparison.

hahaha....when i first watched Harley's character in Animated Series, I had a brief thought that maybe that Alicia girl in Batman (1989) who Joker took from Boss Carl Grissom could turn out to be her. But then I read Harley's background and it dint' make any sense....

Why Michael Keaton is not comparable with Dustin Hoffman? Its just an example of a bad cast. Dustin hoffman is a better actor than keaton and is almost his same height, so , why isnt comparable?

Ok, where did West go? "Alica jumped out a window..."Joker "I'm afraid the Circus Gang is back."Commishiner Gordan "I believe the word you're looking for is...ah!" Penguin "Let 'em go, or I'll do Gordan!" Bob "That didn't sound right." Me "Ya know why rich people are weird, becuz they can afford to be." Alexander Knox
That was off topic. But anyway, can we put the Kilmer Keaton issue behind us now? "I mean killing sleeping children, isn't that a little"...blam! "No, it's a lot!"

[QUOTE]Originally posted by SpyCspider
[B]Hmm...Dustin Hoffman? IMO Michael Keaton is SO not comparable to Dustin Hoffman. That's like saying "uh....Michael Clark Duncan (if you believe him to be a great actor) can be a grreat Batman too but he's black, so he doens't physically fit the role." Not a valid comparison.

Okay now thats absurd to say that Dustin Hoffman is not comparable to michael keaton because as bakerboy said so well in his post he is the same height and if the keaton lovers are only concerned about good acting and not if they come close to fitting the role,then to THAT weird logic,Dustin Hoffman SHOULD have been cast back then because he is a far more accomplished and better actor than keaton is. 🙄

Okay all the way up till now,unlike batdude and pr13,you at least have made reasonable points that are not ludicrise like theirs which is why I have continued this discussion with you so far but NOW your getting redicules like them with that Michael Clark Duncan thing,were talking about the batman movies now not the daredevil movie.your just dodging the issue here because you cant admit a valid point has been made that shoots down the argument that Dustin Hoffman should have been cast back then instead of keaton because he's a better actor.Duncan IF he was a great actor,would be horrible choice for the role because he has the size build of BANE instead of Bruce wayne and is even MORE bald than keaton obviously and as I have said so many times,Bruce wayne is not a guy with a receding bald hairline like keaton had which made him a horrible casting choice for the role amongs the other things. 🙄

Honestly,you are starting to hang around batdude and pr 1983 too much because their insane ramblings are starting to rub off on you now. 😄 just a friendly joke.You really need to start hanging out with sileas a guy obviously with logic and common sense who understands a valid and good point when he sees one.Just do the mature thing and say thats a good valid point has been made like sileas has instead of being like batdude and pr1983 by coming up with poor excues to try and counter it when you cant.

Well said , mr Parker. I laughed my ass when i see that example of Michael Clarke Duncan as batman. Please, we know that duncan couldnt be batman in the same way that verne troyer couldnt. That example is ridiculous. Also, the example of dustin hoffman is because he is almost in the same heigth of keaton and is a better actor, so, if you keaton fans are only worried about good acting, hoffman has more acting talent than keaton, so, why not cast him? As my friend mr parker has said so well, a friend of him who knows very well the acting and the theatre said him that the phisichal part is as important as the acting talent, because if the actor doesnt look the part, the people who is seeing that movie/play couldent believe him as the character, doesnt care what great he is as an actor, the actor must look the part that he is playing. But you all, burton and keaton fans, seems to doesnt know anything about acting or about casting.

And i repeat once again, Keaton actings wasnt that great because the character isnt enough developed in the movies, we dont know his motivations or why he becomed batman or his origin . Beasides his pathetic goofy acting as bruce wayne.

And i repeat once again, Keaton actings wasnt that great because the character isnt enough developed in the movies, we dont know his motivations or why he becomed batman or his origin . Beasides his pathetic goofy acting as bruce wayne. [/B][/QUOTE]

Exactly.as I said before,keatons acting was decent but it was hardly anything amazing as Bruce wayne because Bruce wayne never goes around acting like a pathectic and goofy doofus, and like Bakerboy said so well,his acting wasnt all that great because the only thing you got out of it and the script was that he was sad about his parents death,thats it,his character wasnt developed well enough in the movies because like he said,we dont know his motivations,his origin or WHY he became batman and that was because that idiot Tim Burton decided to have Batman be just a supporting character and have the villians be the main characters which was totally stupid .we didnt know any of that till batman forever when we SHOULD have been shown what was in batman forever in the FIRST film. 🙄

You guys have not got a f*cking clue, come on, do i have to spell it out for you? have you ever heard the word 'context' before?

when we say keaton is a better actor, we mean as portraying batman, not anything else. to a lot of us keaton was the perfect bats because he played the CHARACTER so well, dustin hoffman can't do action and doesnt have the persona, keaton DOES.

kids these days...

the only twisted logic is your own...

ha ha,your points are as laughable and more absurd than ever.to say dustin hoffman- an amazing actor doesnt have the persona is almost as absurd as your points of defending keaton being a wuss,almost as laughable as those,you'll never top those though.ha ha. Keaton CAN do action? is that why he was a wuss with that goon of the jokers with no fighting skills? you cripple your arguments worse and worse each time,ha ha.yep your right,you got twisted logic. 😆 but thats kids for ya. 😆 at least silias here gots logic unlike you guys. 😄

I like all the batmans 😛

well besides George Clooney

ha ha,your points are as laughable and more absurd than ever.to say dustin hoffman- an amazing actor doesnt have the persona is almost as absurd as your points of defending keaton being a wuss,almost as laughable as those,you'll never top those though.ha ha. Keaton CAN do action? is that why he was a wuss with that goon of the jokers with no fighting skills? you cripple your arguments worse and worse each time,ha ha.yep your right,you got twisted logic. but thats kids for ya. at least silias here gots logic unlike you guys.

seriously parker... do u even read the posts in between all the laughing?

thats the question you need to be asking yourself.either you dont,or want to keep grasping at straws at debate you lost ages ago and still are. 😆

really? your psychic or something? is that it?

fact is, u lost this debate a long, long time ago, the way you keep coming back proves that, and then i have to shoot you down... its getting really monotnous...