Originally posted by Linkalicious
and what happens if they continue to misbehave in public the entire time that you are out because you are not willing to do more to discipline them?
You don't take them out shopping anymore until they learn to behave in public. Eventually the message will get across.
Originally posted by Linkalicious
You haven't solved the current problem, all you've done is push it aside until you can get home to do something about it.
Where else should I correct my child? In a public place? Are you suggesting that I should smack the child in public to prove that I'm in control? Bah! that's just showing off!
Originally posted by Linkalicious
what's your angry tone going to do to a child, if they don't fear what results from that angry tone?
There is NO need for an angry tone if they child is discipline properly! I now have to use fear in order to discipline a child??? What kind of parenting is that??? The child needs to learn to respect not fear a spanking.
Originally posted by Linkalicious
"woah, dad's about to burst a blood vessel in his head he's so mad....oh well, guess i'll just keep running around making a scene...he won't do anything to me"
Do you honestly think that's what children are thinking when throwing a tamtrum?
Originally posted by Canadian Moose
Untamed....hmm...And WHO'S fault is that>
There are limitations to what a parent can do. Teaching respect is all well and good... but if a child falls victim to uncontrollable factor, then all the respect and "parenting" flys out the window.
When no other options are available to a misbehaving child, spank the lil punk!
Originally posted by WindDancer
You don't take them out shopping anymore until they learn to behave in public. Eventually the message will get across.Where else should I correct my child? In a public place? Are you suggesting that I should smack the child in public to prove that I'm in control? Bah! that's just showing off!
Now see, then you are just letting your child dictate when you can shop. Thats silly. They need to behave period. And if they know you wont correct them in a public place then they tend to act out more.
Originally posted by Linkalicious
spanking your child is different than beating your child.
Lookit there sherlock, you dont say?
There are numerious proofs that the children can be conditioned just like we all can -- not absolutely obviously since we tend to think for ourselfs! Conditioning children by spaking doesnt acheave shit!
Oh no wait, are you gonna tell me you have a degree in Psychology now? Because If you do, I urge you to explain to me the supposed lack of evidence done on small children!
Re: Re: Re: Re: to spank or not to spank....that is the question
Originally posted by Linkalicious
I agree with this unlike my fellow spanking supporters.There is an age at which children are too young and too old to be spanked. diapers...is entirely too young.
I'm not trying to be harsh or anything but,
Do you have children? No, so you have no idea when it is or isn't too young to spank your child. 1 or 2 year olds is fine. As long as you don't hit them hard. Just knowing that the parent is angry and feeling that little tap on their butt, hurts their feelings and makes them stop.
Originally posted by Samurai Guy
What about when they are 7-9 and get out of hand? What then? If they are disobediant and untamed. If they hit an age when the word no seems to be the extent of their vocabulary?For lack of a better phrase...
"Desperate times call for desperate measures."
I used Freud to elain the CRITICAL age in children! Children just like adults get out of hand regardless of the age.
I would think at 7-9 age group the child could be reasoned with - there are other ways to discipline your children then spanking!
The more you spank the angrier they get and thus the more rebellious!
Originally posted by WindDancer
You don't take them out shopping anymore until they learn to behave in public. Eventually the message will get across.
Where else should I correct my child? In a public place? Are you suggesting that I should smack the child in public to prove that I'm in control? Bah! that's just showing off!
There is NO need for an angry tone if they child is discipline properly! I now have to use fear in order to discipline a child??? What kind of parenting is that??? The child needs to learn to respect not fear a spanking.
and better yet, their fear of losing their toys or tv time is going to prevent any tantrum from happening in the future! 😱
but tantrums aren't planned, they aren't well thought out, they are sporadic and spontaneous.
Do you honestly think that's what children are thinking when throwing a tamtrum?
please refer above.
Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
Now see, then you are just letting your child dictate when you can shop. Thats silly. They need to behave period. And if they know you wont correct them in a public place then they tend to act out more.
I see it more as teaching them a lesson. Eventually you will talk to them and tell them "You continue to misbehave when going shopping you are not coming". Children love to go to the stores. But if you sit down and talk to them about their behavior they will realize they were they doing some thing wrong. Isn't communication always important?
Originally posted by Canadian Moose
Untamed....hmm...And WHO'S fault is that>
What about when they are 7-9 and get out of hand? What then? If they are disobediant and untamed. If they hit an age when the word no seems to be the extent of their vocabulary?
Once again, I ask, WHO'S FAULT IS IT IF THE CHILD IS 'UNTAMED' as you so neatly put it?
Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
Moose you are looking at things from the perspective of a parent who has yet to face alot of stuff. It gets much harder the older they get.
I'm saying it from the perspective of a parent who has too much respect for my children than to lower myself to hitting them, swat on the ass or otherwise. What exactly gives you the RIGHT to hit them?
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I used Freud to elain the CRITICAL age in children! Children just like adults get out of hand regardless of the age.I would think at 7-9 age group the child could be reasoned with - there are other ways to discipline your children then spanking!
The more you spank the angrier they get and thus the more rebellious!
That furthers my previous statement that was something of a stab at Mr. Zero.
That is being a little extream. Sometimes a 7-9 year old cannot be reasoned with. I am the poster boy for pacifism for the most part, but sometimes there are little options left. When a heart to heart, a "grounding," and a "stand in the corner" fail... what options are left to explore?
Granted there are more punishments, I am trying to summarize a stand-point. I hope you all understand.
Originally posted by Canadian Moose
What about when they are 7-9 and get out of hand? What then? If they are disobediant and untamed. If they hit an age when the word no seems to be the extent of their vocabulary?Once again, I ask, WHO'S FAULT IS IT IF THE CHILD IS 'UNTAMED' as you so neatly put it?
I elaborated. 😉 Perhaps you missed that?
You can parent all you want.. a child will misbehave if they CHOOSE to.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Lookit there sherlock, you dont say?There are numerious proofs that the children can be conditioned just like we all can -- not absolutely obviously since we tend to think for ourselfs! Conditioning children by spaking doesnt acheave shit!
Oh no wait, are you gonna tell me you have a degree in Psychology now? Because If you do, I urge you to explain to me the supposed lack of evidence done on small children!
yet another wise as comment from the queen herself. 🙄
just once, i'd love it if you could make a comment without a some sort of b!tchy pretext remark...just once. 😉
and where is your proof that spanking your children doesn't achieve shit?
go ahead Sherlock...I'm breathing proof that it does achieve shit. But, wait...you can prove that it doesn't...
"Because If you do, I urge you to explain to me the supposed lack of evidence done on small children!"
lack of evidence done on small children. I'm no English Major...so please I urge you...explain what the hell that means exactly
Originally posted by Linkalicious
so who looks after your kids when you have to go shopping? You can't always have a baby sitter or a neighbor look after your kid. Sometimes they have to come with you, and some of those times they throw tantrums....just like the time before
Then sit down and talk to them about behaving in public! Is it really that hard to discipline a child before going shopping? What? you can't tell the kid to act properly BEFORE going into a store?
Originally posted by Linkalicious
oh, so now if they are throwing a tantrum in a store, you aren't going to get angry with them. You're going to be perfectly calm while they are on the floor kicking, screaming, and crying.
Link, in order to be in control a person must always Always be calm! If you lose your temper then you don't gain anything.
Originally posted by Linkalicious
and better yet, their fear of losing their toys or tv time is going to prevent any tantrum from happening in the future! 😱but tantrums aren't planned, they aren't well thought out, they are sporadic and spontaneous.
How about telling them when they are throwing a tamtrum: Remenber last time you mishave? That's right! NO TV and NO Toys. That will get their attention.
Originally posted by Samurai Guy
That furthers my previous statement that was something of a stab at Mr. Zero.That is being a little extream. Sometimes a 7-9 year old cannot be reasoned with. I am the poster boy for pacifism for the most part, but sometimes there are little options left. When a heart to heart, a "grounding," and a "stand in the corner" fail... what options are left to explore?
Granted there are more punishments, I am trying to summarize a stand-point. I hope you all understand.
There are people who have NEVER spanked their children. Do you think those people just left their children to roam around free throwing tantums and when they grew up they somehow magicaly became nice people?