"And what gadgets does spidey have?"
Uh...he has some web shooters in a locker somewhere with cartriges.
He has his little Spidey homng devices he sticks to people's butts when they run away so he can follow them.
Umm...a camera definately a camera. To take home memories of all the asses he kicks.
Havn't seen it in awhile but he used to have a neat little belt with a Spiderman flashlight on it. I think it's where he keeps his cameras haha. Also, used to have slots for extra webbing cartriges.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellas it never disolves and can't be cut, and now wolverine can tear free from it. . . Yeah. . . wonderful. . .
Hmm that gadget that can hold the thing for life,
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell🙄
They are inconsistant, that just means don't rely on them too much.
And wolverine's has been consistant up against spiderman. but that spidersense hasn't been. Lets "not rely on" that spidersense it's too inconsistant.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellOne pic? one pic? There were multiple pictures shown. and no, it was when he jumped. When he's thrown by collosus he goes faster.
Nah that was one pick, when wolvie was shoved up by colossus,you are basically saying wolvies PEAK HUMAN strength will let him jump high in that dense skeleton, thats just bad logic.
Because we know that wolverine isn't strong enough to even move with his skeleton because it's not like he's used to it. . . oh wait.
"I can't let up. I can't give him a second. He'll kill me"
Guess that blows your weak logic out of the water huh?
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellin THIS match. . . he's got his spidersense and manuverability when he's not in close quarters. . . he's got his webbing that can help him get away quickly. . .
Then again if im blinded by spidey's whatever, why don't you tell me some advantages he has in this match,
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellor rather what you think is a solid point. 😆 You're just proving why coming up with a scenerio would be a waste of time. 🙂
you have yet to make a solid point,
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellYes, you're in denial. 🙂
ever since you've been on here, only want him to look like a scrub, denial thats what that is.
When did I try to make him look like a bush?
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Noone said they didn't happen ,
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
wolverine was a 30 foot ,jumper I think not.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
If you are going to keep using those matches ... don't bother posting we have heard it,... Must I remind you this hasn't happened yet.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell😆 and what bandwagon have I jumped on?
I just want you to use some creativity(you say you have), and be an individual, instead of jumping the band wagon, you got an f on that paper why.
Who have I quoted to use as my own arguments when I didn't have any?
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellDon't lie to me. 🙂
Noones discarding anything,
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
wolverine was a 30 foot ,jumper I think not.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
If you are going to keep using those matches ... don't bother posting we have heard it,... Must I remind you this hasn't happened yet.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellThey're YOUR words.
you are just putting words in my mouth,
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellNice that you understand that. Too bad you can';t see how it's YOU that's been doing that.
first sign of a good debator. However, all the word switching in the wold and avoiding facts where you pick and choose still wont help against truth, period.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellBecause you are interesting to debate with and aren't quite as bad as those that have shown that they aren't worth a response. 🙂
If i am a sucky debator, why do you waste your great fingers typing on me.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellBecause we all know that any fighter can go up against any other, and all that's different is the styles. Thats; why whenever two people fight it's ALWAYS a draw. 😆
Tssk tsk, you are good, perhaps the second best debator on this entire forum,lol. You can fallace all you want, but when it comes to the real world and combat knowledge, well, you need to go outside more....
Originally posted by CorderaMitchelland I tend to value Marvel's opinion over others.
Which is what i'm doing, I'm not sitting inhere on a bright sunny day, arguig about denial with superheroes, its all just opinions anyway,
Originally posted by 8bitChris🙄
"And what gadgets does spidey have?"Uh...he has some web shooters in a locker somewhere with cartriges.
He has his little Spidey homng devices he sticks to people's butts when they run away so he can follow them.
Umm...a camera definately a camera. To take home memories of all the asses he kicks.
Havn't seen it in awhile but he used to have a neat little belt with a Spiderman flashlight on it. I think it's where he keeps his cameras haha. Also, used to have slots for extra webbing cartriges.
noones discarding facts, i'm questioning bs.
Thanks for the compliment, i think, I admit i'm running low on steam but I've only been bashed and sometimes it does get tiring lol.
yeah wolverine can cut from it if it is not in an uncompromising position, and by the time it dissolved , he has the upper hand, his strenth and head to head abilites aren't for wolvie, his agility and climbing and pre cog is. Funny how that has yet to be shown. Now for the others, that physicality, etc. works perfectly, they are vurnerable to all abilites.
Hey i can still say he's beaten titania, she hulk, firelord, embarassed ff and xmen, but I don't like that , it leads to crap writing excuses. but hey you cant discard it because you don't like it, I agree i think it is good entertainment, and spidey loses more than just about any in the MU, which adds interest to an old icon, thats why I say don't rely on those because There are many influences to an end of a comic. not just what they are capable of doing, but interst etc.
Like it was mentioned in the PLEASE READ AGAIN, characters can use abilites that are within their powers regardless if they don't. I.E flash can ko enemies in a picosecond in a match, eventhough it doesn't happen often. This isn't written because it would be boring, and would be a 3 panel comic. Kind of like spidey not using all those abilities he should, or losing terribly to people he shouldn't . Refer to previous paragraph to see what i mean.Spidey has sufficient str to definitely easily ko DD and Cap, therefore it is a valid point.chair
And I said scrub, not shrub you big meanie.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellA rose by anyother name. . .
noones discarding facts, i'm questioning bs.
Thanks for the compliment, i think, I admit i'm running low on steam but I've only been bashed and sometimes it does get tiring lol.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellGetting him in it is easier said than done, particularly in a 3vs1.
yeah wolverine can cut from it if it is not in an uncompromising position,
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellHmm. . .
and by the time it dissolved , he has the upper hand,
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellHis strength? You mean his strength that has failed to knock wolverine out in each of their encounters, his strength that is considerably less than other adversaries that also failed to knock wolverine out?
his strenth and head to head abilites aren't for wolvie,
His strength that you are overhyping by saying it could knock wolverine out in the first place?
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell"His precog is inconsistant, so let's not rely on that."
his agility and climbing and pre cog is.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellYou wanna try rephrasing that?
Funny how that has yet to be shown. Now for the others, that physicality, etc. works perfectly, they are vurnerable to all abilites.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellSo stats aren't everything you're saying?
Hey i can still say he's beaten titania, she hulk, firelord, embarassed ff and xmen, but I don't like that , it leads to crap writing excuses. but hey you cant discard it because you don't like it, I agree i think it is good entertainment, and spidey loses more than just about any in the MU, which adds interest to an old icon, thats why I say don't rely on those because There are many influences to an end of a comic. not just what they are capable of doing, but interst etc.
*compares highlighted in red to his first statment I responded to in this post*
You're being inconsistant.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellLike Wolverine's jumping ability?
Like it was mentioned in the PLEASE READ AGAIN, characters can use abilites that are within their powers regardless if they don't.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellHow? You haven't show this oputside of one on one matches?
I.E flash can ko enemies in a picosecond in a match, eventhough it doesn't happen often. This isn't written because it would be boring, and would be a 3 panel comic. Kind of like spidey not using all those abilities he should, or losing terribly to people he shouldn't . Refer to previous paragraph to see what i mean.Spidey has sufficient str to definitely easily ko DD and Cap, therefore it is a valid point.chair
So wolverine can use all of his training including martial arts training? No more of this "Going berserk" stuff?
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellLook up scrub in a dictionary. . .
And I said scrub, not shrub you big meanie.
that is where his agility comes in
NO spidey str is underhyped,he has proven what he can do
Wolvies durability is waaaaaaaaay overhyped,Marvel clearly says wolvie is capable of being killed, by losing organs, loss of blood etc. He takes some time to recover from a gunsho, and tasers, for that matter, he took two days to recover from an explosion, spidey hit him with a broom and he was hurt by it alot. Or when he tackled sabretooth off of a cliff, it took him many hours to recover from that, bottom line the abilities of his have been exaggerated, since his debut, and he is souped up to show his own with many plenty of times.
You are catching on, wow , if wolvie "can" JUMP 30 feet how high can spidey jump.
Pre cog aint as inconsistent as you wont it to be, if it is adjusted it s to give streeet thugs an edge, when he is fighting these guys, their strong blows will trigger it.
What is this highlander. Wolvie ain't immortal, Spidey doesn't need to punch him to ko him, he has other methods, you're arguing incircles,you say this is inconsistent, then use old examples from other fights, In that graveyard fight wolverine was stunned good, and admitted that spidey could break his neck.......He's passed out from bad tea, and was floored by an angry cycloops, so punches fromspidey would have a good effect right.
If you were in court, and your lawyer said facts aren't everything, youwould fire him. Period, and I said comics have many other reasons for making char win besides what makes sense, the got to make money you know................
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellHe can not knock wolverine out. He hasn't in each of their encounters.
that is where his agility comes inNO spidey str is underhyped,he has proven what he can do
This has been PROVEN multiple times that he can't.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellThey've been overhyped cause now he's fighting spiderman? Listen to yourself.
Wolvies durability is waaaaaaaaay overhyped,Marvel clearly says wolvie is capable of being killed, by losing organs, loss of blood etc. He takes some time to recover from a gunsho, and tasers, for that matter, he took two days to recover from an explosion, spidey hit him with a broom and he was hurt by it alot. Or when he tackled sabretooth off of a cliff, it took him many hours to recover from that, bottom line the abilities of his have been exaggerated, since his debut, and he is souped up to show his own with many plenty of times.
Spiderman has fought wolverine MULTIPLE TIMES. and Not once NOT ONE FREAKING TIME. has he been able to knock wolverine out. That is a 100% consistency.
His healing factor in their fights is more consistant than Spidermans spider sense.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell🙄
You are catching on, wow , if wolvie "can" JUMP 30 feet how high can spidey jump.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellIt's less consistant than the way you want Wolverine's healing ability to be. You just can't take your own medicine.
Pre cog aint as inconsistent as you wont it to be,
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellSo now Wolverine is just a street thug?
if it is adjusted it s to give streeet thugs an edge, when he is fighting these guys, their strong blows will trigger it.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellExcept they never have. there has been a 100% consistency of them not working.
What is this highlander. Wolvie ain't immortal, Spidey doesn't need to punch him to ko him, he has other methods, you're arguing incircles,you say this is inconsistent, then use old examples from other fights, In that graveyard fight wolverine was stunned good, and admitted that spidey could break his neck.......He's passed out from bad tea, and was floored by an angry cycloops, so punches fromspidey would have a good effect right.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell😆
If you were in court, and your lawyer said facts aren't everything, youwould fire him. Period, and I said comics have many other reasons for making char win besides what makes sense, the got to make money you know................
What's not making sense is you.
whatever bottom line, Wolverine has gotten a HUGE boost since his debut, I could care less if you see it or not, people want him to win, so he gets upgrade after upgrade, until he hangs with the big boys. People just want to see wolverine kill everyone, PERIOD.Name the last fight where someone who should have made wolverine look like an ass actually has, and I will make a shrine of you.
He shouldn't be slightly slower or weaker than spidey, because he shouldn't. HEis on the level where he doe's things at the MAX of what a human can do, either at or slightly under Captain America, bar regeneration, and cap could take him for that fact. You don't want to acknowledge this and sound like a Wolvie Fanboy.Sorry for the f word, but you and others cater to the Wolvie supporters and others on threads , when they say nothing that makes sense and just want to see spidey lose, making you a spidey hater. They usually just want to see, Wolverine at the top and noticeSpidey in his way, so they take it out on him, notice in wolverine vs. spidey or anyone elses threads. the same people support wolverine, while various people support the others.
It has been shown that wolverine has been out by a taser, floored by a punch from cyclops, passed out from drinking bad tea, took two days to recover from an explosion in peters basement, and was unconscious after pushing sabre offof a cliff.
The adamantiums back on, no more super healing bs.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellSeeing as how he started off "hanging with the big boys" I.E. HULK I'd say that he hasn't been upgraded more than you think he has.
whatever bottom line, Wolverine has gotten a HUGE boost since his debut, I could care less if you see it or not, people want him to win, so he gets upgrade after upgrade, until he hangs with the big boys. People just want to see wolverine kill everyone, PERIOD.
Why do people keep forgetting he STARTED as an antagonist for the Hulk.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellThe only magneto I've ever seen him take were robots.
Name the last fight where someone who should have made wolverine look like an ass actually has, and I will make a shrine of you.
Magneto owns his sorry ass all the time. You sound like an Anti-fanboy for Wolverine. Why do you hate him so much?
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellNo, you just hate Wolverine. So anyone who appreicates wolverine for WHO HE IS is a fanboy. Fine, I'm a fanboy of wolverine because I appreciate him for exactly who he is, hater.
He shouldn't be slightly slower or weaker than spidey, because he shouldn't. HEis on the level where he doe's things at the MAX of what a human can do, either at or slightly under Captain America, bar regeneration, and cap could take him for that fact. You don't want to acknowledge this and sound like a Wolvie Fanboy.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellYou mean like how I argued with Wolverine888 before I gave up on uber fanboy's?
Sorry for the f word, but you and others cater to the Wolvie supporters and others on threads ,
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellI like spiderman for who he is as well. You have to hype him up in order to like him.
when they say nothing that makes sense and just want to see spidey lose, making you a spidey hater.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellCause they think wolverine could take spiderman. . . consistent support doesn't prove fanboy-hood.
They usually just want to see, Wolverine at the top and noticeSpidey in his way, so they take it out on him, notice in wolverine vs. spidey or anyone elses threads. the same people support wolverine,
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellIt doesn't make a lick of difference who supports who to me.
while various people support the others.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellAnd shown in each and every fight with spiderman he stands up to him.
It has been shown that wolverine has been out by a taser, floored by a punch from cyclops, passed out from drinking bad tea, took two days to recover from an explosion in peters basement, and was unconscious after pushing sabre offof a cliff.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellyou mean like the claws to the throat heal in a recent book? Or all those times he got his flesh fried and he healed in a few panels?
The adamantiums back on, no more super healing bs.
You just don't want him to have his healing factor because that poses a serious challenge. I have to give you kudos for not just saying outright "Wolverine without his healing factor is easy prey for spiderman." even if you ARE trying to take it away. . .
you don't see the inconsistancy with wolvie getting floored by cyclops,
passing out from poisoned tea, and taking hits from spiderman without going down?
you state that wolverine started as an antagonist for hulk.
true enough.
but you neglect to state that hulk knocked-out wolverine with one grazing hit.
as has juggernaut . as has sabretooth. as has thunderbird II.
now he takes hits from spiderman while smiling.
now he gets tossed across the living room by daredevil.
now he takes hits from namor without falling.
now he gets staggered by a dumbell over the head by daredevil.
do you not notice the incredible inconsistancy with wolverine????
Wolverine is PROPERLY written in his own book now cause of Mark Millar.
It's just that everywhere else the writers of Marvel don't know what
the hell to do with him anymore. Too many years of catering to
fanboys' requests have completely ruined all consistancy and continuity.
Namor can't beat him, but Elektra kicks his butt everytime?????
Let me guess, the fanboys get off on Elektra so that's O.K....!
Marvel and Joe Quesada need to take a serious look at what they're doing.
They went BANKRUPT the last time they're writing got this bad.....
Originally posted by ZahitSo you're subscribing to CM's "Because it's inconsistant let's not use it." Argument?
you don't see the inconsistancy with wolvie getting floored by cyclops,
passing out from poisoned tea, and taking hits from spiderman without going down?you state that wolverine started as an antagonist for hulk.
true enough.
but you neglect to state that hulk knocked-out wolverine with one grazing hit.
as has juggernaut . as has sabretooth. as has thunderbird II.
now he takes hits from spiderman while smiling.
now he gets tossed across the living room by daredevil.
now he takes hits from namor without falling.
now he gets staggered by a dumbell over the head by daredevil.
do you not notice the incredible inconsistancy with wolverine????
Seriously. Spiderman is supposed to be fighting at his best despite his inconsistancy, and yet, wolverine is a street level thug with no healing factor because he's up against spiderman.
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You guys are getting desperate. 😂
Originally posted by Creshosk
So you're subscribing to CM's "Because it's inconsistant let's not use it." Argument?
Seriously. Spiderman is supposed to be fighting at his best despite his inconsistancy, and yet, wolverine is a street level thug with no healing factor because he's up against spiderman.
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You guys are getting desperate. 😂
Originally posted by ZahitCorderaMitchell made the argument that wolverine's healing factor is inconsistant so it can't be relied on.
what the hell are you talking about?
Granted it has been written inconsistantly, However in each of Wovlerine's fights with spiderman its demonstrated the same consistency.
Moreover, Spiderman's spidersense has also been inconsistant. So if CorderaMitchell argues that wolverine's healing factor doesn't play in then neither should spiderman's spidersense.
I never said that wolverine's healing factor was 100% consistant 100% of the time. Just that it has been consistant in wolverine and Spiderman's fights.
Ya dig?
I dig, but your're not digging what i'm saying.
Read again.
I'm NOT discounting anything about Wolverine.
It's that all the Wolvie supporters are using examples that make no sense.
I CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WOLVERINE AND THE WRITERS.
Obviously the other Wolvie supporters can't.
You say Wolverine always does well against Spiderman,
but then gets floored by Cyclops.....
How can he take a punch from Spiderman, but get floored by Cyclops?
How can he get knocked-out by Thunderbird II, but not Namor?
Wolverine SHOULD be knocked-out by Spiderman and Namor,
but the writers won't let that happen so as not to upset his fanboys.
THAT'S the difference between Wolverine and the Writers.
Wolverine IS a mutant who heals fast.
Wolverine HAS adamantium-laced bones.
Wolverine HAS adamantium claws.
Wolverine IS one the world's greatest special ops/secret agents/assasins.
THAT'S Wolverine.
Wolverine taking 2 punches from Namor without falling is NOT Wolverine.
That's the WRITERS.
Ya dig?
Why has this become a strictly Spidey vs Wolverine argument? There's a separate thread for this, guys -- go to it instead. Even I think Spidey could beat Wolverine one on one, but against all three, his chances are significantly lower. But at least argue about that instead of how much BS Wolverine is or how much BS Spider-Man is.
Originally posted by ZahitSo how are we supposed to know what he can and can't do?
I dig, but your're not digging what i'm saying.
Read again.
I'm NOT discounting anything about Wolverine.
It's that all the Wolvie supporters are using examples that make no sense.I CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WOLVERINE AND THE WRITERS.
Obviously the other Wolvie supporters can't.
You say Wolverine always does well against Spiderman,
but then gets floored by Cyclops.....
How can he take a punch from Spiderman, but get floored by Cyclops?
How can he get knocked-out by Thunderbird II, but not Namor?Wolverine SHOULD be knocked-out by Spiderman and Namor,
but the writers won't let that happen so as not to upset his fanboys.
THAT'S the difference between Wolverine and the Writers.Wolverine IS a mutant who heals fast.
Wolverine HAS adamantium-laced bones.
Wolverine HAS adamantium claws.
Wolverine IS one the world's greatest special ops/secret agents/assasins.
THAT'S Wolverine.Wolverine taking 2 punches from Namor without falling is NOT Wolverine.
That's the WRITERS.Ya dig?
Let's just discard the comics we don't like? and accept those we do?
Ultimatly reducing this to undabateable opinion.
"Well, I think he can do this and this. . ."
"But I think he could do this and this. . ."
Seriously we have to have some basis for comparison.
In each of his fights with spiderman he's shoiwn taking it.
And he is floored all the time, but being floored isn't the same as being defeated.
Being knocked down, isn't the same as being knocked out.