I see why you are so bitter, everyone is OWNING you, noone likes you.
His secret, revealed, he's gay...
blah blah blah...spidey just can beat wolverine with 2 other people...in all actualality of it all what can spidey really do to wolverine other than contain him...he can really kill him only hold him there or throw him around...and spidey can just swing away "la la la " with out getting hit...now with 2 other people its like oh crap i got 2 more decent fighters plus a guy whos pretty much invincible...hes sorta screwed...he prob wouldnt die but he also wouldnt win cause hed ***** slap cap and dare devil easily then its just the 2 of them again ...spidey webs wolverine...wolverine cuts out...trys to hit spidey , spidey moves outta the way kicks him in the face....spidey throws car and him then wolverine gets nailed by it, he then gets up un harmed "AGAIN" and they continue this for ever cause there is almost no way that wolverine would be able to get at spidey and then no way for spidey to kill wolverine so the match is a tie...p.s. cap sux...and so doesnt dare devil.
Originally posted by speedoman'
blah blah blah...spidey just can beat wolverine with 2 other people...in all actualality of it all what can spidey really do to wolverine other than contain him...he can really kill him only hold him there or throw him around...and spidey can just swing away "la la la " with out getting hit...now with 2 other people its like oh crap i got 2 more decent fighters plus a guy whos pretty much invincible...hes sorta screwed...he prob wouldnt die but he also wouldnt win cause hed ***** slap cap and dare devil easily then its just the 2 of them again ...spidey webs wolverine...wolverine cuts out...trys to hit spidey , spidey moves outta the way kicks him in the face....spidey throws car and him then wolverine gets nailed by it, he then gets up un harmed "AGAIN" and they continue this for ever cause there is almost no way that wolverine would be able to get at spidey and then no way for spidey to kill wolverine so the match is a tie...p.s. cap sux...and so doesnt dare devil.
Nice post...
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
I see why you are so bitter, everyone is OWNING you, noone likes you.His secret, revealed, he's gay...
Originally posted by Logan 87
You have it in you're head that I started it, and when I try to end it you continue, and you said that it is fun to you so you do it on purpose. It's over ok ? OVER
Hey Cordera thinks....
You are amazing you know that, you think your a damned innocent lamb, you got what you deserved, like all the others.
You added into the stack.
Originally posted by Wanderer259
It stretches the concept of pre-cog, since Spidey isn't truly finding out that something is happening before it does. He simply has a (currently) unexplained sense that reacts to presented danger, warning him however much time (.003 seconds is all I have to go by at the moment) before it hits him. Basically, he's gifted with insane reflexes that don't require him to see what he's reacting to. Not to mention, probably a good sense of timing if he was really clever about certain things in certain situations.
I don't think you or others understand how precognition is defined. Let me give you the definition so that we can clarify this.
definition taken from dictionary.com
Knowledge of something in advance of its occurrence, especially by extrasensory perception; clairvoyance.
SM uses an "extrasensory perception" that allows him to get "knowledge" of danger before it occurs. This makes it precognition. It works in accordance with his superhuman reflexes, agility, and speed, making him a difficult opponent to hit, particulary for those who are slower than himself.
I have read the issue and I do understand their little spat. It doesn't change the fact that in that specific panel, it doesn't look as if Spidey's lunged anywhere. But that doesn't matter much if Spidey is 'blood-lusted' in this match anyway, since lunging at his opponents is exactly what he'll do. If this is the case, then this is really a moot point not worth discussing anymore.
Obviously he wasn't going for the kill in this match up, seeing as how it was a TRAINING SESSION. His cockiness was the major factor that caused him to get hit, not his anger. If he had really been angry at Wolverine, he could've completely webbed him up with little effort.
The talk of Spider-Man's adrenaline glands being 'better' is really very wide open for debate and there's a lot of speculation that'd require. For instance, I doubt Spider-Man's adrenaline is any more 'powerful' than anyone else's and I doubt adrenaline has any more effect on him than it does anyone else. It's possible that he has a greater resistance to it, since it is technically a drug, albeit a naturally produced one. That's just too much of a wild card factor for me to want to even touch.
Even though SM posseses a superhuman metabolism, lets be illogical for a bit and assume for a moment that his adrenile glands can produce the same amount of adrenaline as an average human. 2-3 times his normal strength would still put him in the 20-40 ton range..only a bit below 50.
As for the 50 ton lifting thing, I'll concede to him being able to stand there, have 50 tons placed on top of him, and him supporting it for a short amount of time. He may very well be able to do that. I, however, don't see Spidey gaining that much strength for a dead-lift by adrenaline or any other non-artificial means, technological or otherwise.
You're kind of missing the point with the whole strength issue. If his musclature and skeletal structure is dense enough to support 50 tons, what the heck would a shield, punch or billy club thrown by a peak human do to him even if it hit him? Answer: very little. I'm sure certain parts of his body are more vulnerable than others, however, the Trio would not be able to come up close enough to take advantage of these vulnerabilities.
Right. My whole argument was that Spidey can't simply stand there and jerk his arm upwards with a 60 foot length of webbing and send any of the trio reeling into the sky. You simply made it sound that way to my ears.
I follow you, but your argument is a bit flawed, because it doesn't factor the position he's in when attempting to throw them. If he was on top of a "60 ft building" for example, its quite possible that he could get enough leverage to lob them up very high, and he's definately more than strong enough to apply enough force to do this.
Like Jinzin said, Wolverine's proven to be superior when in a berserker state of mind - Spidey's effectiveness diminishes.
Their spat in the Danger Room, when they weren't even all that enraged, really, shows this. He won't be thinking very much and he won't be focused on anything than 'tear them apart with my bare hands'. History has shown that Spidey simply isn't anything beyond brute strength when he's angry and each time he has been, with the exception of Green Goblin, he's been defeated. Now he has two other people to deal with at the same time.
definition of "bloodlust"
bloodlustn : a desire for bloodshed
Again "bloodlusted" does not mean that one is absent of sanity or overcome by rage. As I have stated before, in this scenario it implies that he will not be adhering the moral codes he usually abides by in comics. I guess "psychopathic" would be the appropriate word to use, when referring to him this way. As the thread originator stated, He will do anything and everything in his power to kill the Trio even if it means killing innocent lives in the process.
Wolverine has proven that when in a "bloodlusted" mode, he usually becomes engulfed with an animalistic rage, and although he fights savagely when in this state, he'd be difficult to contain or command. He'd probably be more of a liablity as opposed to being an asset to the Trio. With absence of moral code, Cap and DD would care little for each others welfare and wouldn't be doing much to assist one another if one of them became injured/incapacitated during the battle. The trio would definately be at a disadvantage due to this lack of moral code, and this disadvantage could definately be exploited by a psychopathic SM.
Firelord's a low blow, dude. That shouldn't have happened. 😄
But it did..😄
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Would it make sense for SM to just stand there waiting for Wolverine to attack? That's what you and others are implying. Your rationale is that Wolverine somehow broke free of the webbing, jumped at SM from a distance, and SM stood their calmly waiting to dodge. Keep in mind that Spidey waiting for Wolverine to attack so that he can anticipate when to "dodge", goes directly against your/others argument of him being in attack mode. Why would one wait for an attack if they were cocky/angry? That doesn't make logical sense. Again my simple minded friend, apply common sense to what you read and interpret.
you should proabably take your own advice...did anyone say spiderman was standing? no....not I at the very least. spiderman is in the air...he was jumping to the side..what he should have been doing is a moote point..what he DID do was jump to the side...funny thing about being airborne without the ability to fly...you become vulnerable...i've said it once, I'll say it again. Spiderman probably thought what you guys thought....oh well he's stuck up against the wall...he should be stuck there....wolverine broke free and caught spiderman off his guard DESPITE his spider sense....and tagged spiderman before spiderman could effectively react to the situation....thinking that simply spraying webbing in logan's general direction would assure him to nulify the mutants movements...but again as I've said before...what's the assumption that he'll be webbing them too exactly...it's not like these guys are gonna be standing in a doorway or in a thin alley way between two walls where spiderman can effectively web them to the doors or walls and make them stuck there..............I mean otherwise he's just spraying webbing on them...which though annoying, doesn't really reduce their mobility.....it's like being hit with silly string..."okay now I have silly string on me...I can still move around just fine....i just have annoying silly string on me.....so what?"........the same thing applies to the trio thread...so what if he does hit them with webbing...unless there are an abundance of walls to web them to...and they are already backed up TO those walls....he's just hitting them with annoying webbing....so what?
I figure this would be the most logical explaination for what happened..otherwise spiderman looks like a complete ass instead of someone who just didn't have the sufficient ability and speed to avoid that particular situation..take it how you want it but as far as logical reasoning that's as logical as it's gonna get.....either way....end result...wolverine>spidey...
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
You go by ONE pic of DD ko''ing spiderman, and use it as your religion, just as you like to use wolverine beating namor, you like ONE shots.spiderman's villans are alive because he LET him live.
Accustomed to bloodlust? Thats not really a good argument there, I don't fight in BLOODLUST alot, and I can tell you I'd tear apart some people with a MUCH lower physical advantage than myself.
now you are using yourself as a comparison to comic book characters in a comic book debate? eer
you really ARE deviating....and I don't use that pic like it's my religion...I use it to illustrate various points which people keep trying to ignore.....at least I'm not using this one......over and over...this is pretty much the equivolent of your "wolverine in webbing" pic that's become so popular amonst wolvie haters.... there was no fight....spiderman wasn't in a fighting situation.....spiderman was trying to talk to wolverine then wolverine got hostile.............but wolverine's winning so he'd obviously win in a hypothetical fight since the evidence is right there.............right?
riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.....
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Wait a second here, the thread implies bloodlusted, to fight to the best of their abilities, but have no restraint nor quams about killing or incapacitating their opponent/victim.Even so, there hasn't been too much [B]of
a history of spiderman consistently fighting bloodlusted, he rarely does it, even with lives at steak, spidermans villans are alive because he "let" them live, there's a difference.That, combined with the fact that spiderman uses MINIMAL effort almost all of the time, shows how he would be serious, wolverine, on the other hand, fights with no restraint, and doesn't apply alot of his training, like batman. He takes the his because he can, that isn't saying a whole lot, and I'm starting to see him as the weaker link along with murdock. [/B]
this argument is obscured... wolverine applies his fighting ability all the damn time..YET he uses restraint a TON of the time...he rarely goes all out as well...of course i don't expect you to know that, but you should really be aware of this by now... It appears as if you're simply going off the steriotypical wolverine image that a lot of people get from watching the cartoons and such, but for someone who admittedly doesn't read that many comics you certaintly seem to be fully confident in knowing what and what wolverine doesn't do in a consistant basis...sorry but your credability is in question here as your assessment of his character is one that is quite misinformed...
Originally posted by jinzinNo I'm not getting sterotypical about anything, he takes hits because he can, there's a difference there.
this argument is obscured... wolverine applies his fighting ability all the damn time..YET he uses restraint a TON of the time...he rarely goes all out as well...of course i don't expect you to know that, but you should really be aware of this by now... It appears as if you're simply going off the steriotypical wolverine image that a lot of people get from watching the cartoons and such, but for someone who admittedly doesn't read that many comics you certaintly seem to be fully confident in knowing what and what wolverine doesn't do in a consistant basis...sorry but your credability is in question here as your assessment of his character is one that is quite misinformed...
When you read too many logan comics you start to look at his history and such, logan has restraing, but in terms of spiderman, his restraint is little, he looks for a fight alot.
I don't expect you to see that either. You aren't even arguing the same medium, you seem to be one of few who believe this...