Spiderman vs. Captain America/Daredevil/Wolverine

Started by CorderaMitchell244 pages

Originally posted by jinzin
now you are using yourself as a comparison to comic book characters in a comic book debate? eer

you really ARE deviating....and I don't use that pic like it's my religion...I use it to illustrate various points which people keep trying to ignore.....at least I'm not using this one......over and over...this is pretty much the equivolent of your "wolverine in webbing" pic that's become so popular amonst wolvie haters.... there was no fight....spiderman wasn't in a fighting situation.....spiderman was trying to talk to wolverine then wolverine got hostile.............but wolverine's winning so he'd obviously win in a hypothetical fight since the evidence is right there.............right?

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.....

What, the pic that showed he can be webbed?

He has many other times, and if we excuse comic sense here, you'd see that even if the webbing was 1/10 strength, that he wouldn't break free without assisstance of claws. What was ignored? He can't break the webbing.

Originally posted by jinzin
you should proabably take your own advice...did anyone say spiderman was standing? no....not I at the very least. spiderman is in the air...he was jumping to the side..what he should have been doing is a moote point..what he DID do was jump to the side...funny thing about being airborne without the ability to fly...you become vulnerable...i've said it once, I'll say it again. Spiderman probably thought what you guys thought....oh well he's stuck up against the wall...he should be stuck there....wolverine broke free and caught spiderman off his guard DESPITE his spider sense....and tagged spiderman before spiderman could effectively react to the situation....thinking that simply spraying webbing in logan's general direction would assure him to nulify the mutants movements...but again as I've said before...what's the assumption that he'll be webbing them too exactly...it's not like these guys are gonna be standing in a doorway or in a thin alley way between two walls where spiderman can effectively web them to the doors or walls and make them stuck there..............I mean otherwise he's just spraying webbing on them...which though annoying, doesn't really reduce their mobility.....it's like being hit with silly string..."okay now I have silly string on me...I can still move around just fine....i just have annoying silly string on me.....so what?"........the same thing applies to the trio thread...so what if he does hit them with webbing...unless there are an abundance of walls to web them to...and they are already backed up TO those walls....he's just hitting them with annoying webbing....so what?

I figure this would be the most logical explaination for what happened..otherwise spiderman looks like a complete ass instead of someone who just didn't have the sufficient ability and speed to avoid that particular situation..take it how you want it but as far as logical reasoning that's as logical as it's gonna get.....either way....end result...wolverine>spidey...

If you say so...

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
No I'm not getting sterotypical about anything, he takes hits because he can, there's a difference there.

When you read too many logan comics you start to look at his history and such, logan has restraing, but in terms of spiderman, his restraint is little, he looks for a fight alot.

I don't expect you to see that either. You aren't even arguing the same medium, you seem to be one of few who believe this...

exactly he takes hits because he can and he knows it, not because his options are limited to just taking the abuse.....funny how when he lost his adamtium his application of bobbing and weaving increased like 2 or 3 fold eh?

well i'm also one of the few that knows jack shit about wolverine cause I've read his books unlike the people who hate him yet know oh so much about him..which is questionable to say the least....

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
What, the pic that showed he can be webbed?

He has many other times, and if we excuse comic sense here, you'd see that even if the webbing was 1/10 strength, that he wouldn't break free without assisstance of claws. What was ignored? He can't break the webbing.

it shows he can be webbed in a nonfight situation...AND that wolverine can get out of it when he feels like it....

nobodies arguing that he CAN break out of webbing without his claws so I don't see what exactly you're trying to argue here...

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
A stroke of genius!!!!

why didn't you attack him for his misspelling? he's obviously a wolverine fanboy right I mean he can't spell and you've stated your beliefs quite a few times...

Originally posted by jinzin
exactly he takes hits because he can and he knows it, not because his options are limited to just taking the abuse.....funny how when he lost his adamtium his application of bobbing and weaving increased like 2 or 3 fold eh? [/QUOTE

Exactly, now that you realize that, youd' know why he is in fights he shouldn't be in, and why he rushes in alot.

[QUOTE=4702429]Originally posted by jinzin
well i'm also one of the few that knows jack shit about wolverine cause I've read his books unlike the people who hate him yet know oh so much about him..which is questionable to say the least....

Lol, who hates him, I don't i hate fanboys, who read too many books, and make up shit about his powers, I read it everyday, and the stuff you use in your examples are few and far imbetween, I'm not impressed.

Originally posted by jinzin
it shows he can be webbed in a nonfight situation...AND that wolverine can get out of it when he feels like it....

nobodies arguing that he CAN break out of webbing without his claws so I don't see what exactly you're trying to argue here...

He can be webbed in a fight situation, and he can't get out if webbed properly, what are you blabbing about?

All the trio supporters would have to be under the impression that this battle is taking place inside the pages of a comic book when nothing could be further from the case.

The characters and what they are capable of is all that's on the table.

The trio is truly a team of extremely skilled HUMAN level characters, and only one of them has a level of durability that is superhuman due to unbreakable bones AND a healing factor.

Many people are drawn to support these characters even more than the characters who have incredible strength, fly, or shoot blasts because they are HUMAN and their only physical powers are experience and brain power.

Simply put the list of things that a peak human cannot survive is insanely long and human fragility is easily exploited.

The comic book humans are spared by luck and circumstances just as the comic book superhumans are. The difference is that the humans must appear flawless and perfect, able to handle anything thrown at them in a universe where literally anything can happen. That's cool because they're not real and will never exist in reality just like the superhumans. With that being the case they are capable of doing things that no human could ever do and surviving things no human could ever survive with no explanation.

The same goes for the superhumans when they defeat the odds when the odds are one million to one. over and over and over. It's all good because it's all fiction.

But whobdamandog stated it correctly the only facts that can be derived from this fiction are the stats and bios of these fictional characters. If not then these debates are pointless for the outcome of all the fights is unknown.

Trio supporters the question is not what have they done rather than what can they DO?

Spider-man has 15x the physical prowess of the peak human so he can easily overpower a peak human character in every imaginable way.

All trio members are vastly inferior in strength.

Wolverine is 12% slower than Spider-man according to jinzin and he IS the fastest advanced human though he is NOT noted for having superhuman speed though he is faster than THE peak human Cap.

Cap is the guy who will win or tie every event in the olympics so he is very fast and agile himself.

DD is not as fast as Cap because he is NOT a peak human but he is just as agile and is far more aware of his surroundings as Captain America. This makes him an excellent tactician and a master in evasion. He is no Wolverine when it comes to speed however and has never been noted for being a peak human.

Spider-man's speed has been noted as superhuman since his origin so Cap and DD ARE slow when compared to any character with superhuman speed. Projectile dodging is something they have trained for and that is the only explanation for them being able to avoid bullets because they posses no extra speed to help them evade bullets. Spider-man dodges bullets using a combination of the Spider-sense, and noted super- speed and reflexes.

Things that are unexplained cannot be considered facts until they have been explained. Stats and bios are explanations that give these arguments foundations and they can be found in the comicss as well as the character encyclopedias. The Fury files for example are accurate for Wolverine has unbreakable bones and a healing factor in addition to being an extremely skilled fighter with blades on his hands that cut through anything. That means he's bringing almost as much durability to a fight as the hulk. that does not mean that he is fit to handle every individual character that is underneath his level in OVERALL ratings. That is a very vague rating that is subject to critique and in no way specifies what a character can and can't do. It's only my opinion that it's accurate because it's an OVERALL rating.

Not one of these characters could break out of a web cocoon and Cap and DD need super speed to avoid getting hit by someone who has superspeed. just like they would need superspeed to catch up to someone who has it. They are slow compared to Spider-man and Wolverine is not noted anywhere ever for being in Spider-man's speed league other than in the world of fiction, a statement from Spider-man himself who has also stated that the kingpin was his deadliest enemy. The guy exagerrates quite often and it's a script, keep that in mind.

Cap and DD are not noted for having any durability that is above human and a full strength full speed strike from Spider-man to the head will do more damage than a bullet would because he is a superhuman who CAN lift ten tons.

He's been noted for that and everything else that I've ever said about him.

I won't use an example that can't be backed up by the characters stats because that would mean that I don't think that the character can win without giving him more abilities than what he has noted.

Ex. For years I thought that Spider-man was stronger than when he first started his career but if I was telling someone how strong he was I would say he can bench ten tons, because I had no new facts on his strength.

Wolverine's benching what? 850 lbs? So how the hell does he bust out of being wrapped up in solidified liquid steel (the near equivalant of a web cocoon) The webbing might not be as strong as steel but that doesn't mean Wolverine can muscle his way out of a really thick rope wrapping him up. If he's only benching 850 lbs he couldn't muscle his way out of being wrapped head to toe in thick layers of duct tape.

If being human counted as a power then the trio would have this in the bag but it's a major weakness making these characters fragile inside and out (not counting Wolverine) and incapable of muscling through the webbing ( Wolverine included ) The panel where Wolverine got off of the wall when stuck by the webbing can be explained because it appears as if he cut it but the lack of any sticking to him in the next panel cannot be explained at all and makes the whole scenario seem like a " What's wrong with this picture"

Spidey doesn't have a challenge here cause his opponents are very very very limited in what they CAN do considering their GIVEN maximums. 😮‍💨

My god, that is a long post...

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Lol, who hates him, I don't i hate fanboys, who read too many books, and make up shit about his powers, I read it everyday, and the stuff you use in your examples are few and far imbetween, I'm not impressed.

logan's fighting ability is not few and far between.....logans ability to whip spiderman's ass is not few and far between....you need to read more comics before you make such assessments..again you don't read them that much..you've admitted this on several occasion..how can you make a fair assessment on how often wolverine does this or that?

(again that's a retorical question cause we all know the real answer)

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
He can be webbed in a fight situation, and he can't get out if webbed properly, what are you blabbing about?

you say wolvie guys make up stuff...he's been hit with webbing in fighting situations...and yet never "webbed up".....even when webbed up he effectively escapes the webbing with a certain amount of ease...

Originally posted by jinzin
logan's fighting ability is not few and far between.....logans ability to whip spiderman's ass is not few and far between....you need to read more comics before you make such assessments..again you don't read them that much..you've admitted this on several occasion..how can you make a fair assessment on how often wolverine does this or that?

(again that's a retorical question cause we all know the real answer)

Based on what, what fighting ability, you read your comics wrong, and I said nothing on how I read anything how often.

You can read 1000 of them, and interpret them wrong, wolverine HAS been webbed on many occasions, and owned.

I need to know how wolverine is beating anyone here, and you are deviating from the point.

How did he beat spiderman? Take the fanboy goggles off man.

Originally posted by jinzin
you say wolvie guys make up stuff...he's been hit with webbing in fighting situations...and yet never "webbed up".....even when webbed up he effectively escapes the webbing with a certain amount of ease...

I dont say you make anything up....

Where was this, he didn't escape when spiderman rescued him on nick fury's mission.

He left after the webbing expired.

He escaped when spiderman didn't try to web him, or had left.

Whatever, why are you posting this tripe, you are saying "this happened here", because you can't explain why.

mister just a few flaws to think about...

if things unexplained are not to used as examples than how do explain a radioactive spider bite giving a human super powers? or how do you explain a spider surviving that much radiation even?

also i said spiderman by statistical levels is 12% faster than a peak human...all 3 guys are peak human (well wolverine's not but) thus he can be no more than 12% faster than any of them....

lastly debating against the trio and assuming that the term "peak human" automatically demotes them to real world status is debating against characters that DO NOT EXIST...so there is no point in debating against the trio outside of comics..since the ones in the comics are the only ones that DO exist in their respective universe...

that's my 2 cents.

Originally posted by jinzin
mister just a few flaws to think about...

if things unexplained are not to used as examples than how do explain a radioactive spider bite giving a human super powers? or how do you explain a spider surviving that much radiation even?

also i said spiderman by statistical levels is 12% faster than a peak human...all 3 guys are peak human (well wolverine's not but) thus he can be no more than 12% faster than any of them....

lastly debating against the trio and assuming that the term "peak human" automatically demotes them to real world status is debating against characters that DO NOT EXIST...so there is no point in debating against the trio outside of comics..since the ones in the comics are the only ones that DO exist in their respective universe...

that's my 2 cents.

How is that hes 12%?

What happened to the 15x faster, more agile, better reflexes, than any human?

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
How is that hes 12%?

What happened to the 15x faster, more agile, better reflexes, than any human?

any normal human...not peak and above.

Originally posted by Logan 87
any normal human...not peak and above.

Listen to yourself, a peak human is peak ability that a human can attain, why do you guys say this.

Do you know how rare it is to be 2x faster than a person, or 2x more agile, it takes alot of training to go up slowly.

A peak human is usually no faster nor stronger than 2 people, so where in the hell is this 12% coming from.

They probably run no faster than 30mph, they are at an olympic level.

Spiderman wins the olympics with ease, all events.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Listen to yourself, a peak human is peak ability that a human can attain, why do you guys say this.

Do you know how rare it is to be 2x faster than a person, or 2x more agile, it takes alot of training to go up slowly.

A peak human is usually no faster nor stronger than 2 people, so where in the hell is this 12% coming from.

They probably run no faster than 30mph, they are at an olympic level.

Spiderman wins the olympics with ease, all events.

This is comics, and like Batman and daredevil going so fast beating on may guys at a time.

Originally posted by Logan 87
This is comics, and like Batman and daredevil going so fast beating on may guys at a time.

No this is a HYPOTHETICAL debate my friend, that is the problem there, you go off of what wows, other characters.

Can you gauge their speed, no.

Its a panel, they do that to exaggerate movement.

Tell me why I should belive that spiderman is ONLY 12% faster?

Originally posted by jinzin
mister just a few flaws to think about...

if things unexplained are not to used as examples than how do explain a radioactive spider bite giving a human super powers? or how do you explain a spider surviving that much radiation even?

It's explained...It was a one in trillion chance. It should have killed him. Wolverines bone's not being able to be seperated is explained as well, hence the term unbreakable.

Originally posted by jinzin
also i said spiderman by statistical levels is 12% faster than a peak human...all 3 guys are peak human (well wolverine's not but) thus he can be no more than 12% faster than any of them....
Show me where DD is noted as a peak human...I've read his bio so something must have changed.

Originally posted by jinzin
lastly debating against the trio and assuming that the term "peak human" automatically demotes them to real world status is debating against characters that DO NOT EXIST...so there is no point in debating against the trio outside of comics..since the ones in the comics are the only ones that DO exist in their respective universe...

that's my 2 cents.

I am not familiar with a world other than the "REAL" one that I can use to make logical decisions. You do the comic world a disgrace to imply that it is as fantastical as the cartoon world where no logic exists or scientific laws can be applied. Rules are made to be broken and the comic world breaks many rules. Yet unlike the farfetched cartoon world there are rules, and scientific laws are present for the regular inhabitants. I have stated before that the only way the trio stands a chance is if they perform as cartoon characters and just ignore their stats. If that's what you insist on doing then do continue.

As always I commend your dedication.
peace 😮‍💨