Yes, so far in this thread I never read once how Captain America or DD or Wolverine will defeat Spider-Man.
Until proved otherwise, Spider-Man still remains the one who is physically superior to Cap and DD in every - or almost every - way.
Though I agree Wolverine would be a tough nut to crack, but nothing Spider-Man couldn't handle.
yeah the biggest problem with wolverine would be trying to get him to stay down...and if he manages to tag Peter with those claws..well...it ain't going to be pretty..still I think Spidey could definately pull this off..especially if the fight took place outdoors or if he had a lot of open space to work with...
Originally posted by whobdamandog
No offense my man..but did you even read what I wrote..lol..your still using the same logic that you used from the previous post......If your going to use examples from comic books(which again is really silly and irrelevant..) Get your facts straight.. I never have witnessed Cap breaking the hold of the Hulk...last issue I read with Cap vs the Hulk (Hulk 406 or 407).. I believe cap got pretty man handled..Hulk pretty much creamed him and tied him up with a street light...lol
Well of course I'm repeating myself; that's the same way I talk to my 3 year old. Eventually, he gets it too.
I absolutely have NO idea how to respond to someone who honestly thinks referring to the history of a COMIC BOOK CHARACTER in a forum designed to discuss COMIC BOOK CHARACTERS about a fight between COMIC BOOK CHARACTERS can think that using examples from actual COMIC BOOKS is silly and irrelevant. But I'll try (don't worry; I'll type really slow so you can follow along).
Since you would like for me to "get my facts straight", how about you go READ the following book (even though it's probably "silly and irrelevant"😉:
Captain America (Feb. 1969)
"No Longer Alone!" (Captain America - vol.1, no. 110, Feb. 1969)
(This is that issue you seem to think I made up about Cap breaking the Hulk's hold. Here's a hint; IT'S ON PAGE 6!!!)
And I have listed several instances throughout this thread how these 3 heroes could nullify Spidey's abilities and defeat him, but just so I don't have to "repeat" myself, read the entire thread.
And you weren't really SERIOUS when you said the movies were a good example of the characters, were you? Hollywood changes EVERYTHING they get their hands on in order to conform to budgets, deadlines and marketing decisions. And while 3 of these guys have had good "movies" made of them, Cap's ain't due out until Summer 2006, so I guess you'll just have to wait and see. Budgetless "straight-to-video" projects and bad TV serials don't count. If they do, I get to include Spider-Man's stint on the "Electric Company".
Who's laughin' now?!!! 😆 😆 😆
Originally posted by Capt.JK
Well of course I'm repeating myself; that's the same way I talk to my 3 year old. Eventually, he gets it too.
LOL..yeah..you do appear to have logic on that level.....that's probably why you relate to him soo well.... 😆
I absolutely have NO idea how to respond to someone who honestly thinks referring to the history of a COMIC BOOK CHARACTER in a forum designed to discuss COMIC BOOK CHARACTERS about a fight between COMIC BOOK CHARACTERS can think that using examples from actual COMIC BOOKS is silly and irrelevant. But I'll try (don't worry; I'll type really slow so you can follow along).
LOL...let me clarify this statement..(Although I already have before..if you read previous posts...you would have already understood...)
..its silly and irrelevant to use examples of "RANDOM"- 1 - time events that occured in comic book history to prove a point...
For example..I could state that Wolverine has a chance of beating Superman..based on the fact that he survived a nuke..(most rational minded people would disagree...)
It makes more sense...at least from a logical standpoint...to use a series of instances to prove your point...not just the occassional..Well "Cap broke the Hulk's grip once"...or "Cap head was used to level a building.." examples...lol...using stuff like that is just damb ignorant..
...I mean damb I could come up with stuff like that all day with any of the characters listed in this post....
Since you would like for me to "get my facts straight", how about you go READ the following book (even though it's probably "silly and irrelevant"😉:
Captain America (Feb. 1969)
"No Longer Alone!" (Captain America - vol.1, no. 110, Feb. 1969)
(This is that issue you seem to think I made up about Cap breaking the Hulk's hold. Here's a hint; IT'S ON PAGE 6!!!)
We'll do buddy..now do me a favor
... go read Hulk 406..and 407..you'll see cap get manhandled by the Hulk...lol
....then when your done with that..go search for the issue where spider man breaks one of Hulk's bones..(I can't remember which issue)
...then do some research on Spidey's other fights with the Hulk and compare them to the "Cap Breaks Hulk's Hold" issue your referring too...
and you tell me which one do you think has a more impressive showing against the Hulk...lol..😆(sad to say...I already know what your answer is going to be to that one..lol)
And I have listed several instances throughout this thread how these 3 heroes could nullify Spidey's abilities and defeat him, but just so I don't have to "repeat" myself, read the entire thread.
like what? I haven't read a damb thing from you about the three overcoming spidey's abilities...from a physical or tactical perspective....all you've really done is give us the history of Captain America....lol..thanks for all the info pops..lol...but I could have probably gotten most of Cap's stats and history that from Marvel/other websites..anyways...your historical knowledge on the good Captain doesn't prove your point in the least....
And you weren't really SERIOUS when you said the movies were a good example of the characters, were you? Hollywood changes EVERYTHING they get their hands on in order to conform to budgets, deadlines and marketing decisions. And while 3 of these guys have had good "movies" made of them, Cap's ain't due out until Summer 2006, so I guess you'll just have to wait and see. Budgetless "straight-to-video" projects and bad TV serials don't count. If they do, I get to include Spider-Man's stint on the "Electric Company".
LOL...are you sure your reading the posts..anyway...let me restate what I wrote...for the reading impaired...
I think that each characters' respective Movies have really given an accurate depiction of what each could/should really be able to do......from a powers/abilities perspective..(regardless of their flawed scripting and plotlines..)
The Cap movie may have sucked..but it still gave a good example of his "abilities"...which as stated before...are on a "peak human" level(as are Wolverine's/Daredevil's)...why the hell can't you understand this?...GO TO THE DAMB MARVEL WEBSITE..EVEN THEY WILL STATE THIS...LOL..
Based on these peak human abilities..Cap shouldn't be outpacing no cars...or stopping no trains in his new movie...although if he does..I'm sure with your logic you'll use it as an example to testify to Cap beating Spiderman....lol..😆
Oh yeah..and the spidey from the electric company would have still kicked Cap's ass..😆
Who's laughin' now?!!!
LOL..I'm still laughing..you haven't proven a damb thing other than
a. you know a little bit about Captain America's comic history..
b. you have the rationality of a 3 year old....
Originally posted by whobdamandog
LOL..yeah..you do appear to have logic on that level.....that's probably why you relate to him soo well.... 😆
i definitely agree with cap on this one, comic book reference is obviously the absolute power in a comic book versus topic
this is about spiderman versus three great characters (two of which he's had a problem fighting one on one) and adding captain frikkin america to the mix would just mean an absolute win for the trio....yes, that means an absolute loss for the spider
this would probably be about the time when people start pulling up incredibly out-dated marveldirectory.com data and try to use it in spidey's defense...........or pure fanboyism
Originally posted by Capt.JK
Then read the entire thread. I myself have given a couple of examples.
Nobody is argueing about his undeniable qualities. But some people - including me - want to know how exactly they are going to beat Spider-Man.
I'm a Spider-Man fan, but not a retard. If someone can tell me :"Well, the fight will go so and so and after that Cap will do this and Wolverine will cut Spider-Man..." I can certainly accept a loss for Spider-Man.
But until then, I still vote for the strongest, fastest and most difficult to hit one (though I realize that if they work together, they have a reasonable chance of defeating Spider-Man).
QUOTE]Originally posted by Havoc470
....he said YOU have the logic of a 3 year old -_-
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Yeah dude..I..know...lol...I redirected the comment he made right back at him...DUUUUUHHHHH 🙄
i definitely agree with cap on this one, comic book reference is obviously the absolute power in a comic book versus topic
Okay sure all comic book references should be used...
..so if we can credit all previous scenarios involving Cap being valid..(ie breaking the Hulk's grip, his head being used as wrecking ball...throwing a punch that was too fast for spider man's spider sense to handle..lol)....then the picture below proves all of yours and Cap Jk's arguments wrong....lol..and would supports the argument of Spider Man Winning...
before you guys now contradict yourselves..lol..let me go ahead and do it for you..the scenario above is bad/illogical writing..lol... 😆
this is about spiderman versus three great characters (two of which he's had a problem fighting one on one) and adding captain frikkin america to the mix would just mean an absolute win for the trio....yes, that means an absolute loss for the spider
Absolute loss..lol yeah riiight...
Adding Captain America ain't going to do sh**..lol
How the hell are the three going to tag Spidey?
When the battle begins...if they're all outside...they certainly won't be able to catch him..and I can almost assure you that Spidey won't just stand their and try to trade blows with all three of them at the same time..Peter ain't that stupid...lol...
I mean if Spidey jumps up high and sticks to a building..what the hell are Captain/Wolvie/Daredevil going to do?
Are they going to climb up the building and crawl after him...lol 😆 ....lol...if they do..we'll see them all webbed up a couple of panels later..end of battle...😆
or let me guess..they'll use Captain's head as a battering ram to take down the building...😆 😆 😆
This would probably be about the time when people start pulling up incredibly out-dated marveldirectory.com data and try to use it in spidey's defense....
I don't even need to go to the Marvel Directory for this one..I mean..you guys haven't really proven anything...please tell me what the three are going to do to Spidey...I mean how the hell are they going to beat him? Especially if the battle takes place outside....
...........or pure fanboyism
Its funny that just about everyone who call's the Spider Man's supporter's fanboys..have picks of one of the three(Cap/Wolvie/DD) in their profiles and signatures..lol...come on now...Who are the real fanboys now fellas? 😕 😆
Originally posted by whobdamandog
How the hell are the three going to tag Spidey?When the battle begins...if they're all outside...they certainly won't be able to catch him..and I can almost assure you that Spidey won't just stand their and try to trade blows with all three of them at the same time..Peter ain't that stupid...lol...
I mean if Spidey jumps up high and sticks to a building..what the hell are Captain/Wolvie/Daredevil going to do?
Are they going to climb up the building and crawl after him...lol 😆 ....lol...if they do..we'll see them all webbed up a couple of panels later..end of battle...😆
Originally posted by who?-kid
I can see them standing there, on the ground, shaking their fists :"Get off the building you lame-ass spiderpunk and fight like a man !".
lol..yeah..but then..guess what happens next..Wolverine..with his newfound flying ability(along with his near invulnerability, and superstrength)...flies up in the air and throws Spidey off the building...lol...
Captain then uses his head, the toughest part of his body..to beat spiderman to death...He then give a long winded speech about how killing is wrong...unless absolutely necessary.....😆
Well, since you are now adding a building in the picture, you are playing by scenario. But then again, what will Spiderman do in this case? Throw bricks down at them or a rooftop stack? The Ironman from the future, Firelord, etc. could have done this too to defeat Spiderman if they just stayed up beyond the web range and played target practice.
I chose the threesome since I see Wolverine winning in the Spiderman vs. Wolverine battle and the other two should not being a liability if added. Spiderman cannot take hits without being stunned and as two of the three at least have shown to hit him before, then we cannot equate that it won't be possible that these three won't have a chance and then some.
All three have demonstrated some time or another the use of playing possum or something related. As Spiderman's spider senses correlate with him being in danger, they can use such a trick to bait then hit him. Wolverine for example, flashed his claws in front of Spiderman's face, then gave struck him with his foot in the stomach; Captain America played possum on a speeding Namor then pounced and struck him at the back of his neck; I'm not so good with Daredevil so no set examples. Where is Cosmo?
Originally posted by radioboy121
Well, since you are now adding a building in the picture, you are playing by scenario.
Well where else would the battle take place? If its a random battle..and Spidey resides in New York..which is a big city...it would make sense for it to take place in the city.....and a city has buildings...lol..so yeah..I kind of think that makes sense...
But then again, what will Spiderman do in this case? Throw bricks down at them or a rooftop stack? The Ironman from the future, Firelord, etc. could have done this too to defeat Spiderman if they just stayed up beyond the web range and played target practice.
Well..logically he could web them up..lol...they ain't all the fast..and can't avoid all of his webbing...but why would he even have to do anything..the smart thing to do..would be to wait for them to come to him....and pick them off one by one......
Now explain to me..what they're going to do when he's up 70 feet in the air... attached to the building..lol...
let me guess..Caps going to throw his shield...thwip!! get's snagged by a web..lol
Daredevil throws his billy club..thwip..same damb thing...
Wolvie goes into a beserker rage of frustration over not being able to tag Spidey..then kills both Cap and DD..lol
Oh I forgot..they do have one plausable option...
I guess the could take the elevator to the floor wheres spidey's located at...yeaaahhh...lol....that would make sense 😆
I chose the threesome since I see Wolverine winning in the Spiderman vs. Wolverine battle and the other two should not being a liability if added. Spiderman cannot take hits without being stunned and as two of the three at least have shown to hit him before, then we cannot equate that it won't be possible that these three won't have a chance and then some.
Yeah they might be able to pull some shots in if they take him by surprise..but again..that's going to be extremely difficult with the Spider sense and super speed and all...
They could definately come up with a way..I'm not debating that..but no one has of yet really given a plausible scenario as to how its going to be done...and if the battle takes place outside..then their chances of winning decrease substantially....
All three have demonstrated some time or another the use of playing possum or something related. As Spiderman's spider senses correlate with him being in danger, they can use such a trick to bait then hit him. Wolverine for example, flashed his claws in front of Spiderman's face, then gave struck him with his foot in the stomach; Captain America played possum on a speeding Namor then pounced and struck him at the back of his neck; I'm not so good with Daredevil so no set examples. Where is Cosmo? [/B]
Well its difficult to play possum with someone who can sense when your about to attack....so quite simply...any time they try to attack...from a logical stance...it will automatically be detected...whether their playing possum or not..
The biggest reason as to why Spidey gets taken by surprise most of the times is because he often ignores his spider sense for various reasons...sometimes out of carelessness/cockiness...other times out of trying to save someone who's in harms way...
In this scenario, however, I believe all participants were suggested to be using the full scope of their abilities..and fighting for the kill..with no unnecessary destractions..and no silly plot devices..(Spidey being in awe of cap..lol)
So I believe with Spiderman's overall abilities..(strength, speed, agility, spider sense, and webbing)...being utilized to their fullest...would prove a difficult(not impossible) obstacle for the Cap/Wolvie/DD to overcome....
im very aware of that pic which has been shown alot in this forum, BUT it was made a looong time ago and believe it or not, these characters had other confrontations AFTER the late 70's-early 80's, and in those confrontations wolverine ALONE fought spiderman and it ended in a tie (although snapping wolvies neck has proven not to kill him) so from more recent comic book reference, that one holds no weight anymore
so, just because i have a wolverine sig it means that im a fanboy, although all my time in this forum has shown good reference to my decisions on why wolvie would win or lose in any posted battles.....by the way, a building-top isnt some ultimate place where only spiderman can go, so it isnt like "oh no!!! he's on a building, THAT BASTARD!!!....well, better call it quits"
Originally posted by who?-kid
I'm a Spider-Man fan, but not a retard. If someone can tell me :"Well, the fight will go so and so and after that Cap will do this and Wolverine will cut Spider-Man..." I can certainly accept a loss for Spider-Man.
so, just because i have a wolverine sig it means that im a fanboy, although all my time in this forum has shown good reference to my decisions on why wolvie would win or lose in any posted battles
lol.. No I don't think your a fanboy..lol you at least have a less biased opinion than some of the others Cap/DD/Wolvie supporters on this post..lol...
.....by the way, a building-top isnt some ultimate place where only spiderman can go, so it isnt like "oh no!!! he's on a building, THAT BASTARD!!!....well, better call it quits"
Why would spidey climb to the top of the building...when he could just as easily cling to the side...lol..come on now man..be rational now...
so a fan-fictional short story of this fight would prove who actually wins? yet, whodaman brings in one picture in a comic from the early 80's and all of a sudden its the final word, its 2005, trust me theres been other confrontations and i assure you none of them ended that way
Well let me use some of the logic from the Good Ol Captain JK(aka Captain Joke..lol..) to respond to you ....
I absolutely have NO idea how to respond to someone who honestly thinks referring to the history of a COMIC BOOK CHARACTER in a forum designed to discuss COMIC BOOK CHARACTERS about a fight between COMIC BOOK CHARACTERS can think that using examples from actual COMIC BOOKS is silly and irrelevant.
couldn't have said it any better myself Cap..lol...😆
But to apease you non-believers...lets add some final nails to the Coffins..and restate other incidents where Spidey has proven his overall superiority to the trio...
Remember...as the good Captain Joke said.."every random incident should count..."
List of Spiderman Feats
(note*there's a helluva lot more..I just don't feel like recounting the entire history of the character...lol..I'm not that much of a Spidey fanboy...lol)
Spidey's confrontations with the Hulk...
Spidey's confrontations with the Sinister Six...
The pic where Spidey hands the X-men their asses...lol
The fight where Spidey has Wolverine in a choke hold, and Wolvie states that Spidey could kill him if he broke his neck...
Spidey's wins against Firelord, Iron Man 2020, and Morlun...
Spidey's win against Juggernaut...his battle against DD foe Gladiator..
Oh yeah..and I think Spidey knocked out the Cap/Wolverine/Daredevil doubles during the infinity Wars..so that should count as logical evidence of Spidey winning as well...no doubt about it..based on all these historical scenarios..Spidey Wins...lol... 😆 😆 😆