Spiderman vs. Captain America/Daredevil/Wolverine

I agree. I think the arguments in these threads should HAVE to use the histories of the characters, whether they like that particular issue or not, because these are ALL just fictional characters, so their ENTIRE history is how we know who they are, how they would react, and what their powers are. All of our assumptions of what would happen in any given fight are based on the stories as they have been written to tell us what they could do in the first place. But for some reason, some people can't seem to grasp that tiny little fact.

lol, agreed. if only the unwashed masses could appeal to your logic what a world we would live in eh?

Well most of the arguments made against SM haven't taken the ENTIRE character's history into account....

Many just use a few random incidents to validate their points...and usually don't respond to any facts that don't put their viewpoints in a favorable light....

Case in point...Spidey's fights with Firelord/Hulk/Sinister Six/X-team/Syndicate Sinister/Red Skull/Sabretooth/Gladiator/FF...etc..etc....seem to have been all forgotten/ignored when mentioned in this thread...many have even gone on to say that these "historical" events are "illogical"/"outdated"/ "poorly written"...which is contradictory to their "Entire history should be considered..blah..blah..blah.." argument...lol...

Anyways..on paper..the results of this battle seems pretty clear cut to me..especially if the combatants were to go all out...We all have are own assumptions however..and that's the purpose of this forumn..to give our opinions/assumptions on how these battles would play out...

Originally posted by jinzin
"Spiderman's spidersense not going off while fighting Dr. Doom?
These are hardly what I would call examples of consistant writing."

first off I never said spidey's sense wasn't going off I just said it didn't help him when dr. doom was pummeling him in the face.
Second, I would really try and not use the crap writting aguement, as it really doesn't matter what kind of quality writing it was at point or another,,,,,it happened.
and third, as far as the dr. doom example goes,,,,,,,inconsistant writing? yeah I guess STAN LEE (the writer and creator) wouldn't know jack about the characters HE made up, what a bunch of crap writing huh?
really, a little bit of research might help you to not look so bad my friend.

You wanna throw out all "bad writing" examples, fine.
You wanna go by everything that has happened in comics, regardless
of "writing," fine by me.

Spiderman has single-handedly defeated a herald of Galactus.
Can Wolverine, Daredevil and Captain America defeat a herald of Galactus? No.
End of discussion.

hmmmmm...or it?

Originally posted by Capt.JK
I've been in this thread almost from jumpstreet. I've posted a million times in here. Read the whole damn thing before you ask me any about stating any arguments. I already have - several times over for the last several pages. And yeah, Bullseye is probably one of, maybe even the BEST, marksman in the MU. What's your point?

Secondly, Cap's shield is made of a composite metal consisting of Vibranium and an Adamantium-type metal (only even HARDER) that tops out at a little over 12 pounds. Where the hell did you get YOUR information from? (Just so you're not left feeling TOO inadequate, here's some schooling for you for next time):
http://www.medinnus.com/winghead/shield_faq.html
(or this):
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/c/captainamerica.htm
(or try this one):
http://free.hostultra.com/~jarvis/shields.html

I could keep going, but what's the point? Word of advice, and you can ask anyone here: I don't have all the answers about all of the characters, but don't EVER question my knowledge of the shield slinger!

I was actually in this thread on the day it was created...but kudos you've managed to continually spew forth your uneducated fanboistic opinion here for a whopping 72 posts now. 😎

Thanks for telling me to read the entire thread, but I already have. Though I must admit, I don't see you taking very much time to support your reasons for believing Spiderman would lose.

But rather, I see you taking the time to quickly shoot down possibilities that Spiderman could win...even though you don't have legitamently well thought out reasons. I also see you quickly labeling any Spiderman supporters as "fanboys" when you yourself are the one who is truly guilty of the act. That's called being hypocritical...look it up...it's not a good thing. 🙁

Where do I get my information? Comic books. The 50 pound shield comment I made up....you know....much like how you made up Captain America being able to throw his shield at 200 mph. (Yes, i caught you lying there)

The difference is, i didn't make it sound so "matter of fact" as you did. I said "50 some odd pound shield" you said plainly that Cap can throw his shield at 200 mph with pinpoint accuracy.

You should really re-phrase that last statement you made there buddy. It should read "I have hardly any knowledge of any character in the marvel universe, but you should never question my ability to make up non-sensical reasons for why my favorite comic book character is better than every else's comic character"

but you know what....i kinda like how yo uput it anyways.

Originally posted by Linkalicious
...I said "50 some odd pound shield"...

How do you go from referring to Cap's shield as "50 some odd pounds" when it only weighs 12 pounds, period, then talk about people posting numbers that are all B.S. You multiplied the weight of his shield over 4x's the actual number! You could have said "a little over 10 pounds". You could have said "nearly 15 pounds". You said 50 POUNDS!!!

YOU got caught with an EXTREME lack of knowledge about Captain America. YOU didn't know that there were SEVERAL places this information could be gleaned from, including his books and the official Marvel web site, so you made up a number and hoped no one would notice. YOU are full of crap.

Don't post what you don't know, and then hope nobody else will notice. You screwed up. Just admit it and deal with the embarrassment like a man.

As I've already stated....I admit that I made up the weight of the shield.

Congratulations, your lack of maturity took 3 whole paragraphs to point that out.

My turn.

You completely made up the speed at which Captain America is able to throw his shield. You've continually dodged the issue in 3 consectutive posts now and gone straight to pointing out that I was wrong about the weight of the shield...even though I already admitted I made up the number.

Now, when I point out that you made some complete bullsh!t up about your absolute favorite comic book character to a.) make him sound better than he is b.) make yourself seem more knowledgable than you truly are...you completely ignore it because you are trying to draw attention away from the fact that you don't even know that much about your favorite character. Now, do you want to go back to pointing out the weight of the shield or do you want to back up your bullsh!t statement about Cap chucking his shield at 200 mph?

To take one from the idiot's guidebook to fanboyism "Don't post what you don't know, and then hope nobody else will notice. You screwed up. Just admit it and deal with the embarrassment like a man."

"You wanna throw out all "bad writing" examples, fine.
You wanna go by everything that has happened in comics, regardless
of "writing," fine by me."

Like I said stan lee wrote the story for that example and a few of the others i used, I would think his "writing" would be the law and the letter,,,,,or should at least be good guidlines to follow.
You wanna call stan lee a bad writer? shame on you.

so what if spider-man beat a herald of galactus, Wolverine almost got the drop on galactus himself, but because he only had bone claws at the time his attack was feudal.

Ummmm wolverine beat a guy who knew what wolverine's moves were gonna be before he even made em, I'm pretty sure in an all out fight, he would be an iincredibly tough foe for spiderman to fight much less beat.

There are claims that we disregard spiderman's feats, and yet when we bring up how wolverine has fought spidey to a stalemate, and how DD has given spidey serious trouble, and how DD did dance circles around venom (who beats on spidey's ass regularly) all we get is the bad writing excuse. How about the fact that wolverine has almost killed hulk before, how about the fact that the cap downed namor,,,,,,see the list could and does go on and on and on for any one of these for respective characters.
When we brought up the fact that captain america can strategize and calculate where spidey will be before he gets there and can sheild sling the webhead in the face off of a bankshot,,,all we got was a "no he can't" argument when this is something that Captain America regularly does.
Don't tell me that we're simply disregarding spidermans feats (cause like i said i've seem em, I've been impressed, I've seen some more,) esp. when team spidey does the same exact thing to us. Against all three of these guys, spiderman is gonna lose.

Originally posted by jinzin
so what if spider-man beat a herald of galactus, Wolverine almost got the drop on galactus himself, but because he only had bone claws at the time his attack was feudal.

Ummmm wolverine beat a guy who knew what wolverine's moves were gonna be before he even made em, I'm pretty sure in an all out fight, he would be an iincredibly tough foe for spiderman to fight much less beat.

How about the fact that wolverine has almost killed hulk before, how about the fact that the cap downed namor,,,,,,

wolverine did not almost get the drop the drop on galactus! yes, he had bone claws at the time, but do you really believe if he had adamantium ones he could have stood up to galactus? (if you say yes i'll laugh)

i assume you're reffering to the "mr-x" guy who he fought. he knew the moves because he was a low level telepath and read them from wolv's mind so wolv beat him by going "berserk" and not thinking about his moves, just thrashing to which X couldn't respond, pete's spider sense works differently in that it alerts him to danger that will happen not just what people are thinking

hulk and namor, though very tough, don't have the speed advantage spidey does, these three will be moving in slowish motion to him which will give him a reasonable chance at winning

have you seen some of the hulk vs. spider man fights?

anyways, It's debatable on whether or not wolverine could have done anything with adamantium, since apparently he thought it would have been helpful.

The mr. x guy could read his mind before he even made the moves he was using, If wolverine can push himself to a point where all of his hits "just flow" I think that spiderman is goind to have a very difficult time dealing with it, has shown in the past.

i've seen a few hulk/spidey fights and spidey usualy dances around him hitting him many times (to little effect) without being touched........ for the most part

who-kid posted this earlier http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=3106228

as for the "just flow" of wolverine, well he's dealt with the puma and he's faster, stronger and just as aggresive and deadly as wolverine

When has Wolverine "nearly" killed the Hulk?

I've seen him lay into Hulk big time and it heals right up. I saw Wolverine use Hulk as a human sled while "snikt'in" his ass in the stomache and chest all the way down a mountain and Hulk got up completely unfazed.

Spiderman dances circles around Hulk. He hits him from all angles numerous times, but he doesn't have clams to do any actual damage to Hulk. Put adamantium claws on Spiderman, and I bet he could kill Hulk.

What exactly could Wolverine EVER do to Galactcus? The thought of the scenario is laughable. I've seen a extremely powered down Galactcus take a full blown blast to the face from Thanos, clothes torn and all...only to come out truly pissed off and uninjured.

Originally posted by jinzin
...When we brought up the fact that captain america can strategize and calculate where spidey will be before he gets there and can sheild sling the webhead in the face off of a bankshot,,,all we got was a "no he can't" argument when this is something that Captain America regularly does.

Bwahahaha......Please answer me one logical question..When did Cap get bitten by a radioactive Spider? 😆 😆 😆

Based on your scenario Cap has the ability to...

..Sense when an individual is going to attack/defend...

...is fast enough to react and throw something at someone who is 40 times the reaction time of a normal human...

The only abilities Captain is lacking from making in your story to make him equal to SM is superhuman strength and the ability to stick to walls...but wait I forgot..its already been mentioned that his head can be used to bring down buildings.....lol..well that's one argument taken care of...your on your own when it comes to the sticking to buildings one...

HOLY SHIT!
If Wolverine nearly beat down The Hulk & Galactus, then I change my tune!
Wolverine easily whoops Spiderman, Daredevil and Captain America
with one claw behind his back!
Wow, you were right all along. Sorry for calling you a fanboy. My bad.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Linkalicious
As I've already stated....I admit that I made up the weight of the shield.[QUOTE]

And the point of making up facts and then trying to back out when you got caught at it was... What was your excuse again?

[QUOTE]Congratulations, your lack of maturity... shit[QUOTE]

Hey look everybody... another guy who thinks he's an insult comic. And he spent several paragraphs doing it.

[QUOTE]My turn.[QUOTE]

No, BOY, now it's MY turn.

I didn't make up a damn thing. Cap has easily tossed his shield this fast in many issues throughout the years, when speed was of the utmost concern. And yes, there is a specific issue where it is mentioned at one point (I believe it's an Avengers comic). I will go through my books and find it for you. If anyone knows the issue off the top of their head, PLEASE post it for this warped individual.

Now on a side note:
It seems to me that you and a couple of other people on this forum like to act like a bunch of little tough boys when you want to disagree with a post. I for one don't even know who the hell you are, yet you open with an insult towards me. No discussion of the characters; just insults. So do yourself a favor, and speak to the people on here with some respect, or be a man with a set and PM me so we can discuss your big mouth, in person if you would like. I've taken about as much shit off of you and another guy in here as I'm going to take. Stick to the thread. Cite your sources. Give your opinions. Or shut the **** up. And I really don't care what your response is.

"HOLY SHIT!
If Wolverine nearly beat down The Hulk & Galactus, then I change my tune!
Wolverine easily whoops Spiderman, Daredevil and Captain America
with one claw behind his back!
Wow, you were right all along. Sorry for calling you a fanboy. My bad."

are you joking? please tell me that was a joke

Bwahah..this thread is too much....😆 😆 😆
How people can get so mad about debating comic book characters is beyond me....

all that ranting and you still haven't been able to prove that Captain America can throw his shield 200 mph with pin point accuracy.

Repect is earned not given. When you become someone worthy of respect...then it will be given. Until then you've proven yourself, on several occasions, to not know what you're talking about and in turn resort to childish name calling and petty threats.

Seriously, maybe 3 people on this site might "know who the hell you are." Am I supposed to be surprised if you don't know who I am?

By no means am I the one acting like the tough guy. I'm not the one telling other people what to do unless I am directly quoting you in a mocking way. You speak down to almost everyone with an opinion other than your own and expect people to put up with it.

No discussion of the characters? I was pointing out how you lied to everyone about Cap throwing his shield 200 mph just like you went out of your way to point out Cap's shield isn't 50 lbs. Not surprising considering how big of a hypocrite you have shown yourself to be...

Cap has easily tossed his shield this fast in many issues throughout the years, when speed was of the utmost concern.

You just dug yourself a bigger whole there big guy.

You can't even come up with proof that Cap can throw his shield 200 mph and now you're saying he can do it "easily"

but lets not forget to add the little asterisk by the side where you swap "with pinpoint accuracy" with "when speed was of the utmost concern"

Contradicting yourself like this doesn't strengthen your arguement.

Now go get worked up over my post again. "take all you can take", scream at the computer...whatever puts you in the arguing mood.

Take care gentlement. You too sweetheart. winkiss

Originally posted by whobdamandog
Case in point...Spidey's fights with Firelord/Hulk/Sinister Six/X-team/Syndicate Sinister/Red Skull/Sabretooth/Gladiator/FF...etc..etc....seem to have been all forgotten/ignored when mentioned in this thread...many have even gone on to say that these "historical" events are "illogical"/"outdated"/ "poorly written"...which is contradictory to their "Entire history should be considered..blah..blah..blah.." argument...lol...

Spiderman has a decent resume, but they were not all definite wins at the very least if at all. Some were losses or stalemates/truces. We played your game on a battle with Sinister Six, which means squat anyway, since you can't always justify the rock-scissor-paper principle in everything (i.e. if this guy can defeat this person, then naturally, this guy defeats this other one).

You have accused us of using random encounters of the threesome in their fights with big players as evidence, while you continue to use Spiderman's own as valid arguements? If you want to be fair, it has to be one or the other.

Originally posted by jinzin
so what if spider-man beat a herald of galactus, Wolverine almost got the drop on galactus himself, but because he only had bone claws at the time his attack was feudal.

Galactus hardly noticed Wolverine's presence and I doubt adamantium would have done any damage if he did have it during the encounter.

Ummmm wolverine beat a guy who knew what wolverine's moves were gonna be before he even made em, I'm pretty sure in an all out fight, he would be an iincredibly tough foe for spiderman to fight much less beat.

I'm iffy about Mr. X against Spiderman. On a similar principle, I can see Destiny have a laid out setup against him, but Mr. X would have to be very skilled with his mind reading for Spiderman's speed. Otherwise, I could say Batgirl (read body language) against Spiderman, which I don't think she can take him.

Originally posted by Linkalicious
When has Wolverine "nearly" killed the Hulk?

I've seen him lay into Hulk big time and it heals right up. I saw Wolverine use Hulk as a human sled while "snikt'in" his ass in the stomache and chest all the way down a mountain and Hulk got up completely unfazed.

Although as Death, he still maintained a relative control of his wits and he managed to nearly kill Hulk by slashing at his neck and it took Wolverine's consciousness to not go through with the remainder. Other encounters I can think of have been stalemates at the very best.

On an extra note about Spiderman, despite his speed, when he's in the air from a jump and not a directed leap to another ground, he's still normal on the time he's brought down and can only use his agility to shift away from danger. With that in mind, he becomes extremely susceptible from attacks as done by Sandman, Green Goblin... Almost any major villain I can think of that he's encountered.