Someone's taking their comic book discussions a little too personally I think. Capt JK don't come in this thread and act like you were mature enough to handle matters out of the thread.
I can't honestly believe you took the time out of your day to write this stuff in a PM. Grow up.
Capt.JK wrote on 02-11-2005 05:55 PM:
Hey, kiddie. No screaming at the computer on my part. I just think it's funny when little pussy-fied punks like you talk a bunch of shit and insult people on the computer because you can hide behind the screen. You're the same kind of guy who sits alone in the dark typing with one hand while you spank off to computer porn and tell the girls in the chat room you're a self-made millionaire with a 14" wiener.The fact still remains that you made up something in your head, lied, and got caught. You didn't like it and couldn't deal with it, so you tried to flip it around. Nice try, but you're still a punk.
Just so we're clear; when I find the particular book in my collection that I was referring to, I'll post it. Hell, I'll even scan pics of the mother ****er so you can see it for yourself and won't have to bum any money off your mommy to go buy the issue for yourself. So just keep checking in.
And if you STILL want to talk shit, I am more than happy to talk to you on the phone, in person, whatever...
Don't EVER call a man a liar if you don't want to, or CAN'T, back it up.
Blah..blah...blah. 3 days later you still haven't proven that Captain America can throw his shield 200 mph. Go right ahead. Go dig up your collection, scan the page, and actually prove that Captain America can throw his shield 200 mph.
And please stop yelling at your computer monitor....I can't hear you.
Originally posted by Capt.JK
Well, Cap has done this many times. His body burns off toxins, so that he doesn't tire. He can literally fight full out for hours with no negative affects. His enhanced physiology burns off poisons the same way, and also retards his aging process as a side effect. Captain America and Wolverine will be able to stand long after Peter needs a nap. Please show me ONE reference where it points out Spider-Man's superior stamina over someone like Cap or Wolverine. His stamina and endurance is not something he is known for.
Yes the Captain does have enhanced human stamina...but again..it pales in comparison to that of SM. As Scoobles stated, SM can go "days" without" tiring...not a couple of "hours"......Come on now JK, a couple hours ain't longer than a couple of days...lol..why you continue to dispute the Captain having more Stamina than SM is beyond me....seeing as how as how your own argument has already validated SM's stamina being greater...
As for "whobdamandog's" question about Spidey landing a punch on Cap or DD, Cap has blocked far stronger blows by far stronger opponents, and energy blasts, and bullets, and punches from super-speedsters... I can't understand why you think it would be so hard for him to counter punches from a technically untrained fighter.
Based on the Captain's durabilty..which is at a human level..peak human..but human none the less...no amount of training or conditioning would enable him to withstand a blow 40 times faster than that of a normal human...and 20 times stronger than that of a normal human...
Cap isn't untouchable..nor does he have a pre cog sense that enables him to detect his opponents attacks...Spider man will undoubtly land a blow...and a unpulled blow by someone of SM's physical prowess will
definately injure the Captain(and DD) greatly...
And DD has avoided being hit by Spider-Man on several occasions, and did it with flare. I see no reason why he couldn't do it again. Wolverine, he'd probably just stand there and take it, then grin when he got back up.
Yes and SM's has avoided being hit by people who are undoubtly faster, more agile, and with just as much martial skill as DD/Cap/Wolvie...as everyone here has stated numerous times..and he's withstood blows from individuals who greatly outclass these 3 in terms of strength...not to be rude/offensive....but thus far you haven't given any reason as to why Spidey wouldn't be able to withstand or dodge the Trio's blows based on his "historical" experiences with other characters...So I see no reason as to why Spidey wouldn't be able to dodge/withstand blows from the Trio..who are much weaker/slower than the opponents he's accustomed to fighting in in his comic....
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Another thing I would like to point out is that you guys seem to keep reverting to the "Spider-Man will be going all out" theory, but so will the trio. And these 3 are MASTER hand-to-hand combatants, with multiple other abilities to boot. Spider-Man is just not designed to handle this amount of skill and power.
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Let me get this straight you believe..Cap/Wolvie/DD are at a higher power/skill levels than...
...the Hulk...the sinister six...syndicate sinister...Juggernaut...the fantastic four...sabretooth...Morlun..the X-men...Iron Man 2020...Firelord...Morbius..Thor...X factor..Diablo...Green Goblin..Hobgoblin...Carnage..Venom...etc..etc...
Come on now man..please try to keep it real...
Originally posted by Linkalicious
Someone's taking their comic book discussions a little too personally...
No, I just think you're an *******, and I felt the need to tell you. Still waiting for that PM, puke. And I stopped looking for it because I had other things to do as well. I have a REAL girlfriend and a family. I don't live with my mommy.
If you STILL feel the need to call me out, well, like it says in my post...
Looking forward to the private one-on-one, chickadee. 😮💨
"i've seen a few hulk/spidey fights and spidey usually dances around him hitting him many times (to little effect) without being touched........ for the most part
who-kid posted this earlier http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...;postid=3106228"
Ummmm that's taken from an aniversary issue where spidey is talking about his own powers, that's not an actual fight. but anyways, It took the collective force of spidey, the avengers, and the ff to stop the hulk before, wolverine can stalemate the guy by himself.
"When has Wolverine "nearly" killed the Hulk?"
the incredible Hulk 340- wolverine rips into hulks chest hulk goes down after wolverine thinks he's killed hulk (and all he would have had to do was decapitate him from there) he starts to walk away, at this point wolverine learns about the regenerative abilities of the hulk and to two throw down big time.
HULK 8- Wolverine beats hulk through circumstance after a long fight, (much like spidey beat juggs) hulk transforms to bruce. Wolverine considers killing banner but withholds because he understands that someone else is in control of hulks actions
Wolverine 145- wolverine gets a near fatal blow into hulk's neck hulk goes down, Wolverine starts hacking away and nearly kills the hulk but stops himself trying to let the man in him take control, after the hesitation hulk smashes wolverine and runs away.
(and just for good measure)
Hulk 425 (I think)- wolverine goes on an all out assault slashing at hulks neck, Hulk grabs at his neck in fear of having it cut open, he looks down and realizes he hasn't been cut because wolvie's sportin bone claws and the two throw down again.
"What exactly could Wolverine EVER do to Galactcus? The thought of the scenario is laughable."
I agree but it was in the wolverine vs. MU story arch so it's understandable.
"Hey, I was just looking through my collection and came upon something interesting. It is from Captain America Annual #14, in which a small group of Avengers take on the Skrulls. In this story, Cap fights head-to-head with a Skrull combatant named Var-Dann. Now, the really interesting thing about Var-Dann is that he can move so quickly that Cap actually thinks he can teleport at will at first. A couple of panels later, Cap figures it out and ricochets his shield off a Skrull soldier's head and knocks Var-Dann out cold with one good smash. End of fight."
damn you beat me to it, I was about to post that myself.
"but regardless, when was the last time these guys fought to the point of only winning because of stamina when their opponents stamina was far greater than human?"
I see your point but throwing down with omega red for 17 hours straight has gotta mean somethin.
"i doubt it'll go to who has the best stamina, but as you asked for examples..... during the "maximum carnage" storyline (i think it was that one..... been a while since i read it) it is mentioned that his stamina, like his reflexes, is human x 40 or more, and he fought and chased carnage and his allies for days on end with very little rest and no sleep, and i know carnage is tougher than any of the guys in this fight so it's doubtful that exhaustion will come into it"
so did captain america.... and a bunch of other heroes for that matter, they were on the same team during that comic run. You say you read it but you don't remember the cap being there?......okay. 😮
"thus far you haven't given any reason as to why Spidey wouldn't be able to withstand or dodge the Trio's blows based on his "historical" experiences with other characters"
Ummmm yes we have, Wolverine could,,,,and HAS (HAS!) hit spiderman in the face before with is fist, now unless you think SM can take adamantium claws to the face full yeild, I really don't see what there is to argue here (how is spiderman going to "withstand" that?). If a guy like Doctor doom can pummel spiderman in a fist fight, how the hell can you say that guys like DD and the cap wouldn't even touch spidey?
AND.....since you spidey fans are so inclined to include the fact that spiderman can beat the sinister six,,,,,well after the sinister six humiliated venom, he tore through the majority of them with relative ease, he would have finished em all but circumstances got in the way.
If Wolverine and DD can stalemate venom BY THEMSELVES than by comparison they should have no problem with the sin six either.......point nullified.
"thus far you haven't given any reason as to why Spidey wouldn't be able to withstand or dodge the Trio's blows based on his "historical" experiences with other characters"
Ummmm yes we have, Wolverine could,,,,and HAS (HAS!) hit spiderman in the face before with is fist, now unless you think SM can take adamantium claws to the face full yeild, I really don't see what there is to argue here (how is spiderman going to "withstand" that?). If a guy like Doctor doom can pummel spiderman in a fist fight, how the hell can you say that guys like DD and the cap wouldn't even touch spidey?
AND.....since you spidey fans are so inclined to include the fact that spiderman can beat the sinister six,,,,,well after the sinister six humiliated venom, he tore through the majority of them with relative ease, he would have finished em all but circumstances got in the way.
If Wolverine and DD can stalemate venom BY THEMSELVES than by comparison they should have no problem with the sin six either.......point nullified.
Originally posted by jinzin
"i've seen a few hulk/spidey fights and spidey usually dances around him hitting him many times (to little effect) without being touched........ for the most part
I wouldn't say the Hulk is unfazed by SM's blows...a many a times when the two have clashed..SM has taken him a back with the strength/speed of said blows..now by no means has he ever damaged the Hulk to the point where he couldn't recooperate/heal himself...but he's definately hurt the big guy...I believe in one issue(I don't remember which one) he actually broke one of the Hulk's ribs.....Cap on the other hand..hasn't even fazed the the green goliath in their respective battles...
...anyway..the fact that SM can hang with the Hulk and actually injure the guy is a testimony to his strength......which again is nothing to sneeze at..And an "unpulled" punch from SM would undoubtly incapacitate/severly injure any "human" level fighter.....which is exactly what Cap/DD are...
Ummmm yes we have, Wolverine could,,,,and HAS (HAS!) hit spiderman in the face before with is fist, now unless you think SM can take adamantium claws to the face full yeild, I really don't see what there is to argue here (how is spiderman going to "withstand" that?).
The battles between these two have always been inconclusive...as most comic book battles between popular characters are...none the less your "if theory" could just as easily be applied to SM being able to dodge said claws..based on his "spider sense"...which as mentioned in the pick below..would enable him to "sense" any fatal attack made against him...
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=2671846
I see your point but throwing down with omega red for 17 hours straight has gotta mean somethin.
Well I'd hardly call the Omega Red encounter a lone battle for Wolvie..if I do recall he had assistance from the entire damb X-team and Maverick in that fight..Anway..according to most stats I've seen..Wovie's stamina(along with the rest of the Trio) is at a much lower level than SM's...and its highly dubios and unfactual to state that any of them could tire him out based on their respective powers/abilities....
Ummmm yes we have, Wolverine could,,,,and HAS (HAS!) hit spiderman in the face before with is fist, now unless you think SM can take adamantium claws to the face full yeild, I really don't see what there is to argue here (how is spiderman going to "withstand" that?). If a guy like Doctor doom can pummel spiderman in a fist fight, how the hell can you say that guys like DD and the cap wouldn't even touch spidey?
Refer to my "if theory" and SM picture below...
AND.....since you spidey fans are so inclined to include the fact that spiderman can beat the sinister six,,,,,well after the sinister six humiliated venom, he tore through the majority of them with relative ease, he would have finished em all but circumstances got in the way.
If Wolverine and DD can stalemate venom BY THEMSELVES than by comparison they should have no problem with the sin six either.......point nullified.
Okay..lol.....
...and SM has defeated venom multiple times...lol..so that means he can beat Wolvie and DD too..and he's also taken down Sabretooth with ease....so he shouldn't have the slightest trouble with Wolverine...blah..blah..blah...oh yeah did I forget to mention the Red Skull battle..point nullified!!! 🙄 😆 😆
Originally posted by Capt.JK
No, I just think you're an *******, and I felt the need to tell you. Still waiting for that PM, puke. And I stopped looking for it because I had other things to do as well. I have a REAL girlfriend and a family. I don't live with my mommy.If you STILL feel the need to call me out, well, like it says in my post...
Looking forward to the private one-on-one, chickadee. 😮💨
Put me down all you want...all you're doing is proving your lack of maturity.
It's day 4 and you have given up on backing up your claim that Cap can throw his shield 200 mph...let alone "easily"
It's ok if you can't admit you're wrong. The fact that you can't back up your claim is enough for me...I'll consider you wrong by default.
And here's a little tid-bit of advice for you. it's valentine's day....how about you spend a little less time cussing out someone on the internet and a little more paying attention to your lady. Lord knows if she saw how you act in this thread she'd probably dump you on the spot.
but seriously linkalicious, do you really doubt that he can throw the thing 200 mph? I'm not saying it's cannon, but if a reg baseball player can chuck a ball at about 100 mph than a guy at the very peak of human performance should be able to do that esp. with how dynamically that thing was made.
I'm just saying it's definitely plausible, esp. in comic book land.
Actually, yes...i really do doubt it.
How much does a baseball weigh? 5 to 5 1/4 ounces. That's less than 1/3 of a pound. To be more accurate. It's .3125 pounds.
How do you throw a baseball? Overhand shifting all of your weight to your planted foot in order to use additional momentum from your torso as you turn.
How much does Cap's shield weigh? 12 pounds which equates to 192 ounces. That's 38.4 times heavier than a baseball. I'll give it to Cap..the aerodynamics of the shield help mantain velocity and trajectory better than a baseball with backspin...but the shape isn't going to make it leave the hand faster. It will only help it maintain it's speed longer throughout flight.
How does Captain America throw his shield? Like a frisbee. Have you ever tried throwing a baseball like a frizbee? or better yet. Have you ever tried to throw a 10 lbs. weight from the gym like a frisbee?
I'd be surprised if a professional baseball player or other throwing athlete could throw a 10 pound weight 90 ft to first base....let alone at a speed of over 50 mph.
Throwing something that weighs that much at a speed of 200 mph would require farrr greater strength and arm speed than someone with his power/abilities possesses.
If Captain America has sufficient strength and quickness to throw his shield at 200 mph...then he should also have sufficient enough strength to do a standing leap from the ground to the roof of a two story house without having to use his arms to climb.
*sigh* But you are right...it is a comic book. Anything can happen...it just doesn't mean it's legit.
Originally posted by Linkalicious
*sigh* But you are right...it is a comic book. Anything can happen...it just doesn't mean it's legit.
A LOT of comic references used in this topic
are NOT legit/credible examples of writing.
The difference between a comic book fan and a fanboy:
fanboys can't differentiate between good and bad writing.
spam_laser
Originally posted by jinzin
"i've seen a few hulk/spidey fights and spidey usually dances around him hitting him many times (to little effect) without being touched........ for the most part
i know that image was from him describing himself but my scanner isn't working so i couldn't add a new one (plus i'm not sure how to add attachments, so if you could let me know...), however if you read that issue of spider-man that has doc samson getting infected by some gamma virus and going mental, then passing the virus on to hulk...... who then goes mental, you'll see spidey bouncing all around the hulk ... while doc samson get's his head kicked in... i'll try to get my scanner up and post it, but if anyone else has it feel free to add it yourself
Originally posted by jinzin
[B"i doubt it'll go to who has the best stamina, but as you asked for examples..... during the "maximum carnage" storyline (i think it was that one..... been a while since i read it) it is mentioned that his stamina, like his reflexes, is human x 40 or more, and he fought and chased carnage and his allies for days on end with very little rest and no sleep, and i know carnage is tougher than any of the guys in this fight so it's doubtful that exhaustion will come into it"so did captain america.... and a bunch of other heroes for that matter, they were on the same team during that comic run. You say you read it but you don't remember the cap being there?......okay. 😮 [/B]
you will note however that captain america and co were not in this fight from the start and were not there at the end, plus cap did his travelling on a little hover platform thingy while spidey mainly went under his own power, and cap never had to fight carnage, shriek, doppleganger and carrion on his own at any point............. i'm not saying spidey beat them, but he did fight them......... which would have taken something out of him
I think the funniest thing about this little arguement me and Capt.JK are in is that....I think Capt, DD, and Wolverine would beat Spidey. I stated it pages back...and I still stand by it.
I just highly doubt and question Captain America's ability to throw something that heavy that fast.
100 mph...sure. 120 mph...a stretch, but still believable. But 200 mph hour....that requires much more than double the force required at 100 mph.
I'm hesitant to say that it would require Spiderman-esque powers to perform such a feat.
Originally posted by Scoobless
i know that image was from him describing himself but my scanner isn't working so i couldn't add a new one (plus i'm not sure how to add attachments, so if you could let me know...), however if you read that issue of spider-man that has doc samson getting infected by some gamma virus and going mental, then passing the virus on to hulk...... who then goes mental, you'll see spidey bouncing all around the hulk ... while doc samson get's his head kicked in... i'll try to get my scanner up and post it, but if anyone else has it feel free to add it yourselfyou will note however that captain america and co were not in this fight from the start and were not there at the end, plus cap did his travelling on a little hover platform thingy while spidey mainly went under his own power, and cap never had to fight carnage, shriek, doppleganger and carrion on his own at any point............. i'm not saying spidey beat them, but he did fight them......... which would have taken something out of him
excellent points.
Spiderman also was suffering from some pretty badly broken ribs along with other various injuries throughout the series.
Spiderman had already gotten his ass handed to him 2 or 3 times before he opened his eyes in the park to see the outstretched hand of Captain America trying to give him a hand up.
Didn't Cap say that he had gamma power in him during that Ultimates when Hulk beat him to a pulp?
That's what I dislike about Cap besides the fact that he never ever loses. Got battered, then decided to beat Bruce Banner up and act like the man.
Regardless, Spider-Man isn't winning this fight with Cap in it. He'd have to be at his prime and if he was I DO believe he could take out Daredevil and Wolvie to make it a one-on-one.
-AC
Actually....I see Wolverine being the last one standing in this fight.
Aside from the fact that he's by far the most durable one in the group....I think Spiderman would take it upon himself to take out Cap as quickly as possible because he's so affective in a team role.
The longer Cap gets to work/command others...the bigger the problem for Spidey.
Yeah.
Spider-Man is actually a very formidible opponent because, save for Venom and Carnage, he's so unique. There was NO one like him when he was created and there's really been no one like him since.
He's actually capable of so much. People don't like referring to Secret Wars when he made fools of the X-Men but outside of that, he's done battle with lots of people, he's near fearless for a guy who in the grand scheme of things, isn't that powerful. When he saw Surfer fly past he webbed onto his board and said "Where you going?". I don't think anyone else would have done that........except Cap.
-AC