Spiderman vs. Captain America/Daredevil/Wolverine

Originally posted by radioboy121
On an extra note about Spiderman, despite his speed, when he's in the air from a jump and not a directed leap to another ground, he's still normal on the time he's brought down and can only use his agility to shift away from danger. With that in mind, he becomes extremely susceptible from attacks as done by Sandman, Green Goblin... Almost any major villain I can think of that he's encountered.

yes, he sometimes get's attacked during his air time, but GG for one has enhanced speed and sandman can attack extremely quickly as his body doesn't have a human muscle structure (although i'm not sure why he can move at all seeing as he is, essentially, a pile of sand) but with the weapons at their disposal spider-man could, on the off chance they time it perfectly enough to throw on course with him, catch,web or twist out of the way of anything the send his way

taskmaster can catch bullets and he can only move at twice human speed (as of his limited series, and only for short periods) spidey, moving at up to forty times human speed, shouldn't have any trouble with thrown projectiles

Originally posted by Scoobless
"HOLY SHIT!
If Wolverine nearly beat down The Hulk & Galactus, then I change my tune!
Wolverine easily whoops Spiderman, Daredevil and Captain America
with one claw behind his back!
Wow, you were right all along. Sorry for calling you a fanboy. My bad."

are you joking? please tell me that was a joke

Oh of course not. How can you argue with logic and grammar like that?
Surely the aforementioned non-fanboy knows his stuff when he retorts:
"Wolverine almost got the drop on galactus himself, but because he
only had bone claws at the time his attack was feudal."
I have seen the error of my ways.
I shall not argue with such homonymical experts of the comics industry.

Well, assuming Captain America's shield or something else was thrown at him, if he shoots that web a little late or jumps it, he loses some momentum and makes himself a viable target. Jumping and leaping to a designated point are definitely different

I guess if Wolvie had his adamantium claws then,
he wouldn't have had to resort to jousting Galactus.

horse

Spiderman has a decent resume, but they were not all definite wins at the very least if at all. Some were losses or stalemates/truces. We played your game on a battle with Sinister Six, which means squat anyway, since you can't always justify the rock-scissor-paper principle in everything (i.e. if this guy can defeat this person, then naturally, this guy defeats this other one).

Well...don't know where your going there..most of what I've written in regards to the "whodonewhat" argument has always been sarcastic..lol..

I've stated this in many posts that I believe these debates should mainly center around powers/abilities...rather than using random 1 time events...

....But again some events should be used if they can prove/demonstrate a charcters overall abilities..as well as if there is some consistancy to them..

Silly stuff like "Wolverine hurt Galactus with his claws" or the infamous "Cap broke the Hulk's hold" doesn't happen frequently in comics..but stuff like Spidey dodging multiple enemies/bullets, lifting cars, etc etc does.....

So explain to me..other than using the "whodonewhat/where" argument..how are the Trio going to logically pull a win based on their powers/abilities? If Spidey is fighting at his best...how are three peak humans going to catch someone who's forty times faster, can sense their every attack, can jump up to 3 stories in the air without straining..etc..etc..you get the point...

Originally posted by Zahit
Oh of course not. How can you argue with logic and grammar like that?
Surely the aforementioned non-fanboy knows his stuff when he retorts:
"Wolverine almost got the drop on galactus himself, but because he
only had bone claws at the time his attack was feudal."
I have seen the error of my ways.
I shall not argue with such homonymical experts of the comics industry.

np

one thing though, you have caused me to reach for my dictionary (first time that's happened on KMC) to look up "homonymical"........ here's what i found : - ............... nothing ........ lol .......... you can have homonym or homonymous but not homonymical

*whew* thought it felt wrong not knowing words used on a forum....... but luckily it wasn't a real word at all 💃

go spidey and your homonymonimicomical ways

Originally posted by Linkalicious
all that ranting...

I took my personal business with this guy off the thread and PM'ed him. Just getting sick of a couple of the people in this forum. My apologies to the other fans in here.

Apology accepted..lol...oh yeah Spidey wins!!!

Hey, I was just looking through my collection and came upon something interesting. It is from Captain America Annual #14, in which a small group of Avengers take on the Skrulls. In this story, Cap fights head-to-head with a Skrull combatant named Var-Dann. Now, the really interesting thing about Var-Dann is that he can move so quickly that Cap actually thinks he can teleport at will at first. A couple of panels later, Cap figures it out and ricochets his shield off a Skrull soldier's head and knocks Var-Dann out cold with one good smash. End of fight.

This guy was REALLY fast. Way faster than Spider-Man. Way, way faster. Not even a contest. Knocked him out cold...

but it isn't just about speed with spider-man, it's the pre-cognitive sense he has that allows his speed to be used to maximum effect, it doesn't matter where the shield is thrown, if it's going to impact him he get's forewarning spidey-sense style

Originally posted by Scoobless
but it isn't just about speed with spider-man, it's the pre-cognitive sense he has that allows his speed to be used to maximum effect, it doesn't matter where the shield is thrown, if it's going to impact him he get's forewarning spidey-sense style

Which is all fine and dandy, except his books are chock full of instances where his spidey sense went off and he still got clocked. He can't avoid attacks from all angles by 3 seasoned veterans that are as highly trained in the art of hand-to-hand as these guys. And fancy web-shooting aside, he has to get close to fight them, or else all of the comments about his superior strength don't mean a thing. He can't hit them if he's stuck to the side of a wall 30 feet in the air.

Also, there's no way Spider-Man can outlast at least 2 of the trio from the point of stamina either. Wolverine and Captain America can fight a LOT longer than Spider-Man can ever hope to. His stamina doesn't come close to theirs.

And Spider-Man has never been very strong in the "plan of attack" department either. He's more of a straight ahead, "hey maybe I'll stick to the roof and look around but that's about it for strategy" kind of guy. Wolverine and Dare Devil would know he was coming long before he got close to them, and Cap would certainly plan for that possibility. There's probably no scenario you can come up with that Captain America won't already have thought up a contingency plan for dealing with it. That's what he does.

I just can't see a way for Spider-Man to win. These 3 are just WAY too good at what THEY do.

Why does he have to get close to fight them? The webshooters could be used to attach themselves to any of the Trio from a distance...and Spidey's definately strong enough to throw them a mile or so away once they've been webbed......

Another thing I might ask is do you believe it possible for SM to land a hit on either Captain - DD? If so..what do you think might happen to either if he lands just "one" non pulled punch at either?

Originally posted by Capt.JK
Which is all fine and dandy, except his books are chock full of instances where his spidey sense went off and he still got clocked. He can't avoid attacks from all angles by 3 seasoned veterans that are as highly trained in the art of hand-to-hand as these guys. And fancy web-shooting aside, he has to get close to fight them, or else all of the comments about his superior strength don't mean a thing. He can't hit them if he's stuck to the side of a wall 30 feet in the air.

Also, there's no way Spider-Man can outlast at least 2 of the trio from the point of stamina either. Wolverine and Captain America can fight a LOT longer than Spider-Man can ever hope to. His stamina doesn't come close to theirs.

the comment about getting close is false, he has used his strength in other ways when the situation demended a little more than punching, he used his webbing to swing a giant bell (i think it was a bell) like a mace to batter the rhino while staying out of his reach, there's no reason he couldn't do that again with whatever is around ie: a small car or mail box

the stamina thing is debatable, while i agree wolverine does have phenomenal stamina, and i know spidey's is pretty incredible i'm not too sure about cap....... and i know you'll have a reference for this, but let's keep it to the comics and not bring cap novels into it (as i'm not sure they count as part of the MU proper in terms of continuity)

but regardless, when was the last time these guys fought to the point of only winning because of stamina when their opponents stamina was far greater than human?

Well, Cap has done this many times. His body burns off toxins, so that he doesn't tire. He can literally fight full out for hours with no negative affects. His enhanced physiology burns off poisons the same way, and also retards his aging process as a side effect. Captain America and Wolverine will be able to stand long after Peter needs a nap. Please show me ONE reference where it points out Spider-Man's superior stamina over someone like Cap or Wolverine. His stamina and endurance is not something he is known for.

As for "whobdamandog's" question about Spidey landing a punch on Cap or DD, Cap has blocked far stronger blows by far stronger opponents, and energy blasts, and bullets, and punches from super-speedsters... I can't understand why you think it would be so hard for him to counter punches from a technically untrained fighter. And DD has avoided being hit by Spider-Man on several occasions, and did it with flare. I see no reason why he couldn't do it again. Wolverine, he'd probably just stand there and take it, then grin when he got back up.

Another thing I would like to point out is that you guys seem to keep reverting to the "Spider-Man will be going all out" theory, but so will the trio. And these 3 are MASTER hand-to-hand combatants, with multiple other abilities to boot. Spider-Man is just not designed to handle this amount of skill and power.

Another thing I would like to point out is that you guys seem to keep reverting to the "Spider-Man will be going all out" theory, but so will the trio. And these 3 are MASTER hand-to-hand combatants, with multiple other abilities to boot. Spider-Man is just not designed to handle this amount of skill and power. [/B]

well first off, i wouldn't say they had "power" he couldn't handle, yes, they are better technically trained fighters, but you do pick up a lot of skill through "doing" as well as training

as for the all out goingness of them all, i just happen to believe spider-man's "all outness" is more impressive than any of the other three (and i know we may never agree on it but i believe that using all his abilities in a concerted effort he could easily score hits on any of the three)
and as stated at the start of this thread

[i]Originally posted by MatchesMalone
Everyone uses their usual weapons and abilities. Spiderman will use any means necessary to take out this team, the trio will do the same towards Spiderman. Who wins?

which is why i keep coming back to the "any means necessary" part

something that's been mentioned a few times is cap using nerve hitting techniques on namor, well that's all well and good but namor isn't as fast or precognitive as spidey so it isn't that relevant here

i doubt it'll go to who has the best stamina, but as you asked for examples..... during the "maximum carnage" storyline (i think it was that one..... been a while since i read it) it is mentioned that his stamina, like his reflexes, is human x 40 or more, and he fought and chased carnage and his allies for days on end with very little rest and no sleep, and i know carnage is tougher than any of the guys in this fight so it's doubtful that exhaustion will come into it

Originally posted by Scoobless
...i'm not too sure about cap....... and i know you'll have a reference for this, but let's keep it to the comics and not bring cap novels into it (as i'm not sure they count as part of the MU proper in terms of continuity)

Why wouldn't the novels count as reference for this fight? You guys were citing the movies as good examples for Spider-Man. The novels I referred to were published under the license of Marvel, so what's the problem?

I say if it's done within the character's bounderies and done pretty decent, then I don't see why some novels and even some What If's shouldn't be referenced. I can understand some, but not all.

no real problem, it's just that most of the people here probably haven't read the cap novels so we have no way of being sure they aren't being embellished......... and i would never use the movies as reference..... spidey couldn't even knock out doc ock

i still say **** the guy who made this thread and the guy eho just stole my argument about Doc Ock!!!!!!!! I was the one who said that