Yeah.
They would make great friends sadly. Although I'm safe in the fact that Surfer is my fav character and Cap is no match for him haha.
Anyway, the more I think about it the more likely I am to vote for Spidey. I don't think Wolverine is gonna be listening to Cap, Daredevil would. Assuming they all work together, Spidey has little to no chance.
-AC
Originally posted by Linkalicious
Actually....I see Wolverine being the last one standing in this fight.Aside from the fact that he's by far the most durable one in the group....I think Spiderman would take it upon himself to take out Cap as quickly as possible because he's so affective in a team role.
The longer Cap gets to work/command others...the bigger the problem for Spidey.
this is why i said in my initial scenario (way back on page 18 of this) that spidey would take wolvy out first with a mass of webs to A) not have wolvy trying to gut him throughout, and B) reduce the team cap has to work with
Originally posted by Linkalicious
Spiderman had already gotten his ass handed to him 2 or 3 times before he opened his eyes in the park to see the outstretched hand of Captain America trying to give him a hand up.
Originally posted by jinzin
the incredible Hulk 340- wolverine rips into hulks chest hulk goes down after wolverine thinks he's killed hulk (and all he would have had to do was decapitate him from there) he starts to walk away, at this point wolverine learns about the regenerative abilities of the hulk and to two throw down big time.
45- wolverine gets a near fatal blow into hulk's neck hulk goes down, Wolverine starts hacking away and nearly kills the hulk but stops himself trying to let the man in him take control, after the hesitation hulk smashes wolverine and runs away.
(and just for good measure)
And I think I remember Wolverine giving Hulk a serious head butt...? If so, talk about crap writing.
Hulk 425 (I think)- wolverine goes on an all out assault slashing at hulks neck, Hulk grabs at his neck in fear of having it cut open, he looks down and realizes he hasn't been cut because wolvie's sportin bone claws and the two throw down again.
so did captain america.... and a bunch of other heroes for that matter, they were on the same team during that comic run. You say you read it but you don't remember the cap being there?......
Ummmm es we have, Wolverine could,,,,and HAS (HAS!) hit spiderman in the face before with is fist
AND.....since you spidey fans are so inclined to include the fact that spiderman can beat the sinister six,,,,,well after the sinister six humiliated venom, he tore through the majority of them with relative ease, he would have finished em all but circumstances got in the way.
If Wolverine and DD can stalemate venom BY THEMSELVES than by comparison they should have no problem with the sin six either.......point nullified.
"A LOT of comic references used in this topic
are NOT legit/credible examples of writing.
The difference between a comic book fan and a fanboy:
fanboys can't differentiate between good and bad writing."
I wouldn't be talking, you called a comic book written by STAN LEE bad writing! based on how he used the charactesrs. pfft.
"Like you said, a “near fatal” blow. Hulk went down, and stood up lol. Just like Wolverine did. But Wolverine got the beating of his life and would have been killed if Wolverine didn’t return to Apocalypse."
He got up after wolverine stopped "killing" him. pffft. I guess it's easy to give someone the beating of their life when they stop fighting you huh?
"Did they fight after Hulk noticed Wolverines claws were only bone ? I didn’t think so, something came between but I don’t recall what. I DO remember Hulks smiling face (Oh boy I’m gonna enjoy this ) when he reached for Wolverine."
what the hell are you talking about? they did as a matter of fact fight. Hulk was trying to squash wolverine while wolverine was trying to appeal to hulks logic. they gave and took a couple of blows but when wolverine was in the middle of reasoning with the hulk hulk grabbed him by the throat.
"Spider-Man defeated Red Skull with ease. Captain America villain. Point nullified.
Spider-Man defeated Sabretooth with ease. Wolverine villain. Point nullified.
Spider-Man defeated Gladiator with ease. DD. villain. Point nullified. "
very well, then stop bringing up the sin 6 like it's the law and the letter for spidey vs (insert name) team.
Originally posted by jinzin
what the hell are you talking about? they did as a matter of fact fight. Hulk was trying to squash wolverine while wolverine was trying to appeal to hulks logic. they gave and took a couple of blows but when wolverine was in the middle of reasoning with the hulk hulk grabbed him by the throat.
very well, then stop bringing up the sin 6 like it's the law and the letter for spidey vs (insert name) team.
It's not that difficult to pick a fight where Spider-Man is humiliated by a second rater, and to claim "Hah, Captain America has crushed that villain in only one panel." Let's not forget Spider-Man has defeated villains Captain America, Wolverine and DD only can dream of.
But again, comparing battles is stupid, because there are soo many, and, for example, a Captain America hater who is trying to find a pic of Captain America getting beat by some punk, will find that sooner of later, and will base his entire "Cap bashing-theory" on it.
Pff, I hope I made myself clear lol.
you've made your point.
Anf although I certainly agree to some extent that comics aren't the most riable source for the characters in them due to their inconsistancy, you also have to take iinto account that the characters that we grow up loving are loved as a resutly of the comics that they're in. Through comics we find our beloved heroes at their best and worst moments it's true, but at the same time that's no reason to disregard the books. Without the comic to read we wouldn't have a character to love.
Can we please stop using "comic book characters" and "love" in the same sentence..I love God,my family, my girlfriend..etc..etc..but for petes sake..I draw the line when it comes to developing an intimate relationship with with certain fictional characters...
With that being stated, theres only one last thing for me to say...
I love you Spidey...oh yeah and the Trio looses..
The End
Originally posted by jinzin
"Spiderman's spidersense not going off while fighting Dr. Doom?
These are hardly what I would call examples of consistant writing."first off I never said spidey's sense wasn't going off I just said it didn't help him when dr. doom was pummeling him in the face.
Second, I would really try and not use the crap writting aguement, as it really doesn't matter what kind of quality writing it was at point or another,,,,,it happened.
and third, as far as the dr. doom example goes,,,,,,,inconsistant writing? yeah I guess STAN LEE (the writer and creator) wouldn't know jack about the characters HE made up, what a bunch of crap writing huh?
really, a little bit of research might help you to not look so bad my friend.
"Second, I would really try and not use the crap writing argument, as it really does not matter what kind of quality writing it was at point or another,,,,,it happened"
Are you kidding me?! Without the quality being there in a story it wouldn't be worth reading! C'mon! No offense but what you said there was just really pathetic. If it's crap writing it's crap writing, and I'll be more happy to say something if I come across some written comic book text that is something whether you like it or not! You have your "Cap. is an icon" style arguing tactics, please, don't try to dictate someone elses no matter how warmly you try to present it.
There's some wack logic going on in this thread. "let's not use the character's history." Ummm.... ok, let's use Kenya's history instead! That's much more logical. "bringing up battles is pointless." Your right, because past battles can in no way help predict the outcome of future battles! "people can't tell the difference between good writing and bad writing." You're right! Only the battles that sway opinion to your side matter!
and if you can't tell that's sarcasm, @#$% ya'll.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
There's some wack logic going on in this thread. "let's not use the character's history." Ummm.... ok, let's use Kenya's history instead! That's much more logical. "bringing up battles is pointless." Your right, because past battles can in no way help predict the outcome of future battles! "people can't tell the difference between good writing and bad writing." You're right! Only the battles that sway opinion to your side matter!and if you can't tell that's sarcasm, @#$% ya'll.
Originally posted by jinzin
"A LOT of comic references used in this topic
are NOT legit/credible examples of writing.
The difference between a comic book fan and a fanboy:
fanboys can't differentiate between good and bad writing."I wouldn't be talking, you called a comic book written by STAN LEE bad writing! based on how he used the charactesrs. pfft.
"Like you said, a “near fatal” blow. Hulk went down, and stood up lol. Just like Wolverine did. But Wolverine got the beating of his life and would have been killed if Wolverine didn’t return to Apocalypse."
He got up after wolverine stopped "killing" him. pffft. I guess it's easy to give someone the beating of their life when they stop fighting you huh?"Did they fight after Hulk noticed Wolverines claws were only bone ? I didn’t think so, something came between but I don’t recall what. I DO remember Hulks smiling face (Oh boy I’m gonna enjoy this ) when he reached for Wolverine."
what the hell are you talking about? they did as a matter of fact fight. Hulk was trying to squash wolverine while wolverine was trying to appeal to hulks logic. they gave and took a couple of blows but when wolverine was in the middle of reasoning with the hulk hulk grabbed him by the throat.
"Spider-Man defeated Red Skull with ease. Captain America villain. Point nullified.
Spider-Man defeated Sabretooth with ease. Wolverine villain. Point nullified.
Spider-Man defeated Gladiator with ease. DD. villain. Point nullified. "
very well, then stop bringing up the sin 6 like it's the law and the letter for spidey vs (insert name) team.
Okay, about the whole Hulk vs. Wolverine argument, so what if Wolvie was trying to reason with him (and I can't see why he would) he still wasn't gonna weasel his way out of Hulk's grasp.
And you can't seem to grasp that since Spidey has, in so many instances, put the kibosh on major villains of his and other rogue galleries, it's okay to post about it. I mean, c'mon, it's not crap writing if someone with Spidey's wits, agility, strength, will, durability, speed, perceptiveness, etc. can pull it off.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yeah.They would make great friends sadly. Although I'm safe in the fact that Surfer is my fav character and Cap is no match for him haha.
Anyway, the more I think about it the more likely I am to vote for Spidey. I don't think Wolverine is gonna be listening to Cap, Daredevil would. Assuming they all work together, Spidey has little to no chance.
-AC
"Are you kidding me?! Without the quality being there in a story it wouldn't be worth reading! C'mon! No offense but what you said there was just really pathetic."
I'm not trying to get into a semantic arguement about whether or not the entirety of a comic is worth reading due to it's quality. What i'm saying is that everytime we bring up multiple occasions and occurances in comic books that stand as good aruments for why the trio should win, our examples etc etc...are simply warded off by the "crap writing" seudo arguement. I think Spiderman taking down a guy like firelord is crap writing,,,,,however, I will NEVER disregard the fact that it happened simply due to the fact that i dissagree,,,, cause well......it did. I don't think what I said was pathetic at all, and quite frankly i didn't deserve to be insulted by you for that. What I said was comepletely logical and that's that.
"There's some wack logic going on in this thread. "let's not use the character's history." Ummm.... ok, let's use Kenya's history instead!That's much more logical. "bringing up battles is pointless." Your right, because past battles can in no way help predict the outcome of future battles! "people can't tell the difference between good writing and bad writing." You're right! Only the battles that sway opinion to your side matter!
and if you can't tell that's sarcasm, @#$% ya'll."
lol i completely agree.
"You have your "Cap. is an icon" style arguing tactics, please, don't try to dictate someone elses no matter how warmly you try to present it."
Ummm don't try to dictate to someone else? oh I suppose that's your rite and your rite alone is it not?
Anyways I never used the cap is an icon as the premis for why i think the trio wins and it isn't like the spiderman side didn't try to use that logical debating tactic as well so stop being so damn hypocritical.
"Geez! Do you think that Stan Lee is God or something! Sometimes writers will create bogus outcomes in which a character a true comic book fan knows shouldn't win wins anyway."
Well for the comic book characters that HE CREATED,,,,,yes i suppose he kind of is in a sense. Besides I would think that the CREATER of the comic book characters would have a better idea of the outcomes of his own battles, and i put more faith into his writing than in a comic book fan and how they THINK the outcome should be.
"Okay, about the whole Hulk vs. Wolverine argument, so what if Wolvie was trying to reason with him (and I can't see why he would) he still wasn't gonna weasel his way out of Hulk's grasp."
You really should with-hold your tongue when you don't know what you're talking about,,,it will help you to look less of an ass. Wolverine only got in "HULKS GRASP" AFTER he stopped fighting and was in the middle of a speech. Like I said easy to beat up on a guy when he stops fighting back huh?
"And you can't seem to grasp that since Spidey has, in so many instances, put the kibosh on major villains of his and other rogue galleries, it's okay to post about it. I mean, c'mon, it's not crap writing if someone with Spidey's wits, agility, strength, will, durability, speed, perceptiveness, etc. can pull it off."
Unfortunately you seem to misunderstand once more,,,,,yes I completely agree that spidey has tangled with marvel's finest and come out on top, yet he's also had some waaaay less than steller moments as well which seems to be ignored just like the fact that the trio has done the exact same in terms of taking on/down opponents in and out of their leagues.....You seem to be the one who has trouble grasping the concept my friend.
"Why is that, may I ask?"
My pint exactly if, you spent some time to read through the posts put up by team trio instead of disregarding them so you can tell us how great you think spiderman is, then you wouldn't have to ask. esp. since we've given multiple reasons for this over.....and over, and over, and over.....
Originally posted by jinzin
"Are you kidding me?! Without the quality being there in a story it wouldn't be worth reading! C'mon! No offense but what you said there was just really pathetic."I'm not trying to get into a semantic arguement about whether or not the entirety of a comic is worth reading due to it's quality. What i'm saying is that everytime we bring up multiple occasions and occurances in comic books that stand as good aruments for why the trio should win, our examples etc etc...are simply warded off by the "crap writing" seudo arguement. I think Spiderman taking down a guy like firelord is crap writing,,,,,however, I will NEVER disregard the fact that it happened simply due to the fact that i dissagree,,,, cause well......it did. I don't think what I said was pathetic at all, and quite frankly i didn't deserve to be insulted by you for that. What I said was comepletely logical and that's that.
"There's some wack logic going on in this thread. "let's not use the character's history." Ummm.... ok, let's use Kenya's history instead!That's much more logical. "bringing up battles is pointless." Your right, because past battles can in no way help predict the outcome of future battles! "people can't tell the difference between good writing and bad writing." You're right! Only the battles that sway opinion to your side matter!
and if you can't tell that's sarcasm, @#$% ya'll."
lol i completely agree.
"You have your "Cap. is an icon" style arguing tactics, please, don't try to dictate someone elses no matter how warmly you try to present it."
Ummm don't try to dictate to someone else? oh I suppose that's your rite and your rite alone is it not?
Anyways I never used the cap is an icon as the premis for why i think the trio wins and it isn't like the spiderman side didn't try to use that logical debating tactic as well so stop being so damn hypocritical."Geez! Do you think that Stan Lee is God or something! Sometimes writers will create bogus outcomes in which a character a true comic book fan knows shouldn't win wins anyway."
Well for the comic book characters that HE CREATED,,,,,yes i suppose he kind of is in a sense. Besides I would think that the CREATER of the comic book characters would have a better idea of the outcomes of his own battles, and i put more faith into his writing than in a comic book fan and how they THINK the outcome should be.
"Okay, about the whole Hulk vs. Wolverine argument, so what if Wolvie was trying to reason with him (and I can't see why he would) he still wasn't gonna weasel his way out of Hulk's grasp."
You really should with-hold your tongue when you don't know what you're talking about,,,it will help you to look less of an ass. Wolverine only got in "HULKS GRASP" AFTER he stopped fighting and was in the middle of a speech. Like I said easy to beat up on a guy when he stops fighting back huh?
"And you can't seem to grasp that since Spidey has, in so many instances, put the kibosh on major villains of his and other rogue galleries, it's okay to post about it. I mean, c'mon, it's not crap writing if someone with Spidey's wits, agility, strength, will, durability, speed, perceptiveness, etc. can pull it off."
Unfortunately you seem to misunderstand once more,,,,,yes I completely agree that spidey has tangled with marvel's finest and come out on top, yet he's also had some waaaay less than steller moments as well which seems to be ignored just like the fact that the trio has done the exact same in terms of taking on/down opponents in and out of their leagues.....You seem to be the one who has trouble grasping the concept my friend.
"Why is that, may I ask?"
My pint exactly if, you spent some time to read through the posts put up by team trio instead of disregarding them so you can tell us how great you think spiderman is, then you wouldn't have to ask. esp. since we've given multiple reasons for this over.....and over, and over, and over.....
And about the whoile crap writing thing, get over it. If there is an instance where comic book characters doesssomething that's just waaaayyy beyond their abilities, then it's crap writing. And I for one won't ignore the matter.
And maybe I went off saying you're dictacting someone else's argument, but you're still trying to tell other posters not to use the crap writing argument. And I for one simple do not care if you like it or not, fact of the matter is I'm going to use it, end of discussion.
And on your statement about it being easy to beat up on someone when they've stopped fighting back, you just ignored my retortion to your argument. I said plainly, even if Wolvie was trying to reason with him (and I can't see why he would) he wasn't going to weasle out of Hulk's grasp, never said that Hulk was defending himself or anything like that. I just made it clear that Wolvie was not going to pry himself out.
And about Stan Lee. Like I said, sometimes a wtriter will make a bogus outcome to a battle in which a character a true comic book fan knows shouldn't win wins anyway. You're really bouncing arund the facts here.
And using the fact that Stan Lee is the creator of a bunch of comic book chracters to help your Stan Lee is God thesis is really pathetic. God, and this is my belief so don't accuse me of imposing this on you, is the CREATOR of all life. So please, don't try to compare the two.
"I never used the Spidey is an icon argument, so don't call me hypocrtical."
i don't recall ever saying YOU did, i said that your team did which is true. You however seem to think that team trio is the only one using that has defensive strategy,,,,that's what I find hypocritical.
"And maybe I went off saying you're dictacting someone else's argument, but you're still trying to tell other posters not to use the crap writing argument. And I for one simple do not care if you like it or not, fact of the matter is I'm going to use it, end of discussion."
use it then, but it's really no way to win this argument.
"And on your statement about it being easy to beat up on someone when they've stopped fighting back, you just ignored my retortion to your argument. I said plainly, even if Wolvie was trying to reason with him (and I can't see why he would) he wasn't going to weasle out of Hulk's grasp, never said that Hulk was defending himself or anything like that. I just made it clear that Wolvie was not going to pry himself out."
okay i think we're both misunderstanding eachother on this one, wolverine wasn't trying to appeal to hulks logic to get out of being strangled, he was trying to get hulk to stop fighting,,,,then hulk strangled him.....ummm is that any clearer? or am i still misunderstanding you? 🙁
"And about Stan Lee. Like I said, sometimes a wtriter will make a bogus outcome to a battle in which a character a true comic book fan knows shouldn't win wins anyway. You're really bouncing arund the facts here."
I'm not bounceing around anything,
FACT 1:I saw who effective spiderman's spider sense was while he was getting bludgened to death by doc. doom.
Fact 2: the comic was written by the creater of the caracter so I assume his opion to be more valid than the average comic book fan on issues concerning his own character. Doc. Doom beating the ever loving crap wasn't really a HUGE marketing ploy it's just something that happened.
"and using the fact that Stan Lee is the creator of a bunch of comic book chracters to help your Stan Lee is God thesis is really pathetic"
okay that statement was a joke/methphore whatever you want to call it. Stan lee is the creater of his respective universe of comics, so in a sense he is a god for them. I'm not comparing him to the idea of the christian god or anything, but he created the life and could take it away just as easily. All i'm implying yet again is that his opinion on a comic fight with characters he made up is something I find more valid than your simplie comic book fan.
By the by jinzin, you can't seem to grasp the concept of crap writing, allow me to elaborate:
I am delighted with your present knowledge and understanding of Spidey battling MARVEL'S finest and coming out on top. But you seem to have very little knowledge in the field of common sense. You don't seem to know when something's up like, for example, when Spidey's tackled the FF and come out on top in a well-displayed format only to be beaten by DD, a peak human, later on in a later issue.
Or, when Spidey beats the X-Men (Wolvie included) like they stole something, only to stalemate with Wolvie in a one-on-one battle in a graveyard with lots of open space to move around.
Or, when Spidey dances around the Hulk (I'm sure you're familiar with the character) only to have his hands full with guys like Kraven and the Kingpin.
So, next time you advise against using the crap writing argument, be sure to check up on the exact amount of crap writing out there, okay pal? And before you start calling others hypocrites, I happened to read a statement in your post that read "I think that Spidey beating Firelord is crap writing" so watch what you say hypocrite.
Originally posted by jinzin
"I never used the Spidey is an icon argument, so don't call me hypocrtical."i don't recall ever saying YOU did, i said that your team did which is true. You however seem to think that team trio is the only one using that has defensive strategy,,,,that's what I find hypocritical.
"And maybe I went off saying you're dictacting someone else's argument, but you're still trying to tell other posters not to use the crap writing argument. And I for one simple do not care if you like it or not, fact of the matter is I'm going to use it, end of discussion."
use it then, but it's really no way to win this argument.
"And on your statement about it being easy to beat up on someone when they've stopped fighting back, you just ignored my retortion to your argument. I said plainly, even if Wolvie was trying to reason with him (and I can't see why he would) he wasn't going to weasle out of Hulk's grasp, never said that Hulk was defending himself or anything like that. I just made it clear that Wolvie was not going to pry himself out."
okay i think we're both misunderstanding eachother on this one, wolverine wasn't trying to appeal to hulks logic to get out of being strangled, he was trying to get hulk to stop fighting,,,,then hulk strangled him.....ummm is that any clearer? or am i still misunderstanding you? 🙁
"And about Stan Lee. Like I said, sometimes a wtriter will make a bogus outcome to a battle in which a character a true comic book fan knows shouldn't win wins anyway. You're really bouncing arund the facts here."
I'm not bounceing around anything,
FACT 1:I saw who effective spiderman's spider sense was while he was getting bludgened to death by doc. doom.
Fact 2: the comic was written by the creater of the caracter so I assume his opion to be more valid than the average comic book fan on issues concerning his own character. Doc. Doom beating the ever loving crap wasn't really a HUGE marketing ploy it's just something that happened."and using the fact that Stan Lee is the creator of a bunch of comic book chracters to help your Stan Lee is God thesis is really pathetic"
okay that statement was a joke/methphore whatever you want to call it. Stan lee is the creater of his respective universe of comics, so in a sense he is a god for them. I'm not comparing him to the idea of the christian god or anything, but he created the life and could take it away just as easily. All i'm implying yet again is that his opinion on a comic fight with characters he made up is something I find more valid than your simplie comic book fan.
And the crap writing argument is not my only method of arguing. I believe firmly that I have given concrete evidence on multiple ways in which Spidey can beat the trio. If you want to debate that I haven't, be my guest.
And what's the difference in Wolvie reasoning with Hulk to get out of being strangled and Wolvie reasoning with Hulk to get him to stop fighting? Either way i don't think Wolvie wanted to continue the battle, just saying.
You were bouncing around something. You haven't even commented on my statement about writers making a bogus outcome to a battle. I don't care who wone between Doc. Doom and Spidey. But, I will say that if his Spidey's spider sense did not go off or went off to late in the presence of danger in that fight, something's up, I won't call it crap writing, but it is in no way credible or well thought out writing. And sometimes things that happens in comics are not reliable arguments to draw from, you can't just dismiss the matter that simply, well, maybe you can, but it won't change my opinion on the matter in the least. And do you have any proof other than it "happening" that it wasn't a huge marketing ploy?
And about the Stan Lee thing, believe what you want as long as you don't compare him to the actual living God, well, you can, but I rebuke it rest assured. But still, alot of comic book characters, if not all of them, don't even know who Stan Lee is. So, while he is their "creator" in a comic book sense, I don't think that makes him their god. And take this as you will, but I stand by my earlier statement that sometimes he or other writers will make a bogus outcome to a battle as a marketing gimmick, or sheer favortism.
"And the crap writing argument is not my only method of arguing. I believe firmly that I have given concrete evidence on multiple ways in which Spidey can beat the trio."
Just like we have for the trio.
"And what's the difference in Wolvie reasoning with Hulk to get out of being strangled and Wolvie reasoning with Hulk to get him to stop fighting? Either way i don't think Wolvie wanted to continue the battle, just saying."
the difference is that in the weaseling out of hulks grasp situation he would be trying to save his own hide. instead he was really trying to get Hulk to stop fighting for a band of warriors because it was not Hulks place to fight their battles with the other tribes of the savage land....However i agree, after seeing his bone claws have no effect on hulk i doubt he was as gun ho as before....although in HULK 8 wolverine deliberately goes out to stop hulk in a head on fight with only his bone claws.
"I won't call it crap writing, but it is in no way credible or well thought out writing"
and believe what you want, i think this matchup is about as credible as they come.
yes i understand that writers make bogus results and such, I even admitted that, I still don't think it's any reason to disregard things. It's such an easy way out.
Originally posted by jinzin
"And the crap writing argument is not my only method of arguing. I believe firmly that I have given concrete evidence on multiple ways in which Spidey can beat the trio."Just like we have for the trio.
"And what's the difference in Wolvie reasoning with Hulk to get out of being strangled and Wolvie reasoning with Hulk to get him to stop fighting? Either way i don't think Wolvie wanted to continue the battle, just saying."
the difference is that in the weaseling out of hulks grasp situation he would be trying to save his own hide. instead he was really trying to get Hulk to stop fighting for a band of warriors because it was not Hulks place to fight their battles with the other tribes of the savage land....However i agree, after seeing his bone claws have no effect on hulk i doubt he was as gun ho as before....although in HULK 8 wolverine deliberately goes out to stop hulk in a head on fight with only his bone claws.
"I won't call it crap writing, but it is in no way credible or well thought out writing"
and believe what you want, i think this matchup is about as credible as they come.
yes i understand that writers make bogus results and such, I even admitted that, I still don't think it's any reason to disregard things. It's such an easy way out.
And I'll drop the Hulk vs. Wolvie argument with this: Hulk could squash him, and I'm glad you see that Wolvie's haste to fight Hulk was depleted later on.
And I don't believe that the matchup of Doom and Spidey was credible enough, but what you think is what you think.
And I do not care if you call dismissing crap writing an easy way out. I still think that it is a good reason to disregard it, is there any credibility to the battle after all? Just ask yourself that for a moment and see if it sinks in.
And again I say, I do not believe that anyone who has defended the trio in this battle has given sufficient evidence as to how they're going to survive, much less beat Spidey in a battle. And with that, I am through, thank you for your time.