Spiderman vs. Captain America/Daredevil/Wolverine

Started by jinzin244 pages

i an building spiderman has a better chance of victory due to his agility, and the fact that he can more easily seperate the group giving him a major advantage, but i thought this was a straight up brawl I never read anywhere were there was said to be stipulations.
And as i already answered, it's true that yes the only thing the trio's got going for them is h2h combat, years of experience, strategic-minded avantage, billy clubs, sheild slinging, adamantium claws, hyper precog senses, tracking senses, mutant healing ability, teamwork, three bodies fully capible of putting down armies of pirates, ninjas, and outworlders.......yeah this groups really got nothing going for them do they?

Originally posted by jinzin
And as i already answered, it's true that yes the only thing the trio's got going for them is h2h combat

Yes it's the only thing. Cap can throw his shield all he wants, but Spider-Man can dodge several bullets, compared to bullets the shield of Cap is a snail.
years of experience, strategic-minded avantage, billy clubs, sheild slinging, adamantium claws, hyper precog senses, tracking senses, mutant healing ability, teamwork, three bodies fully capible of putting down armies of pirates, ninjas, and outworlders....

Most of these abilities Spider-Man possesses too.
hyper precog senses

Did I miss something ?
yeah this groups really got nothing going for them do they?

Quite the contrary, they are the best street level fighters Marvel have to offer, and that's a whole lot.

But Spider-Man isn't going to wait for them standing on the ground. He never fights that way when confronted with several enemies at the same time, he jumps and bounces and hits them where they feel it.

What is holding Spider-Man to jump high on a building and to cover them up in web ? Nothing.

And can DD and Cap survive a punch from a not-holding back Spider-Man ? No.

Will Spider-Man go down IF Cap or DD hit them ? Of course not.

Has Spider-Man ever had trouble hitting an enemy ? Not that I know.

A child can do the math...

The only one who will give him trouble is Wolverine, but that is a short distance fighter, Spider-Man just has to fight him from a distance (web him up or so and throw him a few times against a wall 😉 ).

Spider-man, I believe, is stronger, faster, and smarter then any of the three.

Originally posted by jinzin
Spiderman couldn't even instantly kill a human with a punch to the face using all the strength he had left at the end of it (for a guy that can level solid walls).

LoL, this is funny. Spiderman had to only flick his wrist in order to knock out...Flash, was it?

He lifts 10 tons. He can kill someone with a punch if he so chose.

The Spiderman vs. Wolverine was a 1-shot. It is not gospel. Spiderman is faster, stronger, quicker, and more versatile than Wolverine.

LoL @ "capable of putting down armies of ninjas, pirates, and outworlders"...

"LoL @ "capable of putting down armies of ninjas, pirates, and outworlders"..."

laugh all you want but it's what they do.

"The Spiderman vs. Wolverine was a 1-shot. It is not gospel. Spiderman is faster, stronger, quicker, and more versatile than Wolverine."

agreed but that doesn't asure spiderman a victory has we've seen before.

"Has Spider-Man ever had trouble hitting an enemy ? Not that I know"

Considering that spiderman will be getting attacked by several uber-veteran fighters, and that his spidersense can alarm him of oncoming danger but not where it's coming from, I think you're giving spiderman quite the benifit of the doubt to say that he would pummble all of these guys without getting touched, which is certainly what you're implying. Are you convinced that the trio can't take down 8 deathspawn too? that's ridiculous considering that venom did it all by himself!
Spiderman's got his ass hammered in a h2h fight with doc doom are you saying that this trio couldn't take doc doom in a h2h fight (no lasers)?
pffffft this whole threads ridiculous, DD and Wolverine have been shown (PROVEN) to be a match for spidey by themselves. There's no logical reason to believe that spiderman can take down all three of these guys at once.

However...Never Wolverine is a better fighter and far more savage in battle.

Originally posted by Mainstream
However...Never Wolverine is a better fighter and far more savage in battle.

A better fighter ? Depends on you look at it. Technically, he is a waaay better fighter than Spider-Man. True.

But Spider-Man has developed his own unique fighting style, based on his superior reflexes, agility and spidersense, a way of fighting that truly is unique and has helped him defeat some heavy powerhouses.

You can't compare the fighting abilities, they are too different.

lol at Darkcrawler's signature.. 😆 😆 😆

Yeah, and Wolverine got "his ass hammered" by Silver Samurai, Omega Red, Lady Deathstrike, Cyber, Sabretooth, Archangel...

Daredevil got "his ass hammered" by plenty. Captain America, as I said in another thread, usually "just finds a way."

I also said that, in MY opinion, it's asking a bit much of Spiderman, but trust me, this would be HARLDY as easy as you think it would be. Spiderman hops on a wall and trusses up CA and DD, leaving Wolverine (no, not a guarantee that it WOULD happen this way. just one scenario).

LoL, not like he could not drop dump trucks on him, pull pieces of building -- hrm, wish they made an "evil" Spiderman to see what he would be capable of.

What If.....Spiderman bonded with the Symbiote baby!

It would sooooo turn him evil. 😈

Originally posted by jinzin
The thing is this, team trio HAS indeed come up with viable reasons and multiple scenarios as to why they should and would win, so I'm really not interested in producing yet another.

i haven't seen many, if any, decent scenarios by the trio team debaters, instead of saying "I'm really not interested in producing yet another" why don't you re-post one of the ones you already made? or better yet just make one more....... it shouldn't be difficult to make a few more plausible cases if you really think they would win, and i'm only asking for one or two so we can really debate your views

there is no way that spider-man, fighting at his best, should get hit by this trio...... he's proven before that, even in darkness or surrounded by smoke or illusion, his spider-sense can guide him away from any and all danger......... including fire from multiple guns at multiple angles...... in this scenario of

Originally posted by MatchesMalone
Everyone uses their usual weapons and abilities. Spiderman will use any means necessary to take out this team, the trio will do the same towards Spiderman. Who wins?

"any means necessary" means exactly that......... he will not be distracted by crying or injured pedestrians, and he will not be worried about the safety of his enemies........... which are the two main reasons spidey ever gets hit or doesn't kill, with those reasons gone and him relying on his instincts he can't be touched by anyone slower than himself............ which absolutely does include wolverine

"What If.....Spiderman bonded with the Symbiote baby!

It would sooooo turn him evil. "

bad things would happen..........for EVERYONE....well almost everyone short of thanos and such.

"there is no way that spider-man, fighting at his best, should get hit by this trio...... he's proven before that, even in darkness or surrounded by smoke or illusion, his spider-sense can guide him away from any and all danger......... including fire from multiple guns at multiple angles...... in this scenario of "

Please indulge me then, do you really think that this trio couldn't take down 6 to 8 deathspawn, the sum of which rendered spidey completely helpless?

Originally posted by jinzin
"I don't think you've given enough evidence on how the trio could beat Spidey at all."

HAHAHAHA. oh man hat's funny! and so utterly ridiculous it doesn't even deserve a response.

"Just ask yourself that for a moment and see if it sinks in."
hmmmm.....................................okay did it.....IT STILL IS.

"And again I say, I do not believe that anyone who has defended the trio in this battle has given sufficient evidence as to how they're going to survive, much less beat Spidey in a battle. And with that, I am through, thank you for your time."

you'r right, you ARE through, if that's the best argument you can put up. the fact that you don't think we've given any decent reasoning for why the trio would beat spidey is downright ludicrous, and a testement to what cap said earlier on about how spidey fans don't read anything that would involve their favorite character etting trounced. Despite your opinions it doesn't change the fact that team trio is winning the poll, winning the debate, and simply winning his fight, now that's the end of the story for ya.


You guys are fooling yourselves if you think that you've swayed me with your lame puns and complete ignorance when it came to response to my arguments.

Have I not given you sufficient enough reasoning on how Spidey could beat the trio?

Oh man, I'm so sick of listening to you're constant blabbering of how Dr. Doom beat Spidey and Wolvie beat Hulk. Wow. That really helps your argument when according to you Spidey's spider sense did not go off when it was supposed to in that fight and Hulk was made to strip Wolvie of his bada** attitude.

And please, stop being such a kissa** to Cap. It really does not become you. I haven't read into anything where my favorite character gets trampled? Wrong-o. I can accept Black Tartantula or Morlun beating Spidey, they have. But this particular battle is in no way a situation where Spidey gets trampled.

Spidey can run up to speeds 100mph, has a built-in warning system that allows him to avoid impending attacks instances before they have even occured, agility primed to excel him past ANYTHING ANY martial art or artist could teach, reflexes 30-40 times faster than a human, strength we might as well mark past the 10 ton mark for there have been so many occurances where he's exceeded this "limit" that it's hardly a credible source, durability, endurance, and strong-will that's pushed him to endure in a battle for twelve hours at a time, a body chemistry resistant to most poisons, lethal stab and gunshot wounds.

Wolvie, a healing factor moreso elevated by PIS, CIS, and crap writing in general than a simple "mutation", little to no superhuman strength, speed any conditioned martial artist or athlete could achieve and exceed through intense conditioning and excercise, and claws that extend a little longer than his forearm.

Cap, the perfect human. Or, as I like to call him, the perfectly peak human, because even if his agility, speed, strength, and endurance exceeds that of any Olympian, he's still a human with human weaknesses, which means he is very wulnerable to someone that shrugs off Ock's tentacles, Venom's, the Goblin's, along with many other super-powered nemisis's punches and charges.

DD's case is basically the same, despite his superhuman senses which are easily matched by the spider sense, I would say that the 'sense exceeds that of DD's sense(s). DD's a peak human, with peak agility, peak endurance, peak strength (debatable), etc. In short, nothin' special when compared to Spidey as with the rest of the trio.

If these facts don't sway you, then I admire your persistance, and pity it. For it is that of someone lost and alone without an argument impressively to the contrary.

Originally posted by Scoobless
i haven't seen many, if any, decent scenarios by the trio team debaters, instead of saying "I'm really not interested in producing yet another" why don't you re-post one of the ones you already made? or better yet just make one more....... it shouldn't be difficult to make a few more plausible cases if you really think they would win, and i'm only asking for one or two so we can really debate your views

there is no way that spider-man, fighting at his best, should get hit by this trio...... he's proven before that, even in darkness or surrounded by smoke or illusion, his spider-sense can guide him away from any and all danger......... including fire from multiple guns at multiple angles...... in this scenario of

"any means necessary" means exactly that......... he will not be distracted by crying or injured pedestrians, and he will not be worried about the safety of his enemies........... which are the two main reasons spidey ever gets hit or doesn't kill, with those reasons gone and him relying on his instincts he can't be touched by anyone slower than himself............ which absolutely does include wolverine


Thank you. Really, the trio supporters have got to get a clue from someone somewhere.

Originally posted by Scoobless
not to get into a religious debate or anything...........(well maybe) but looking at stan lee as the marel universe God isn't that different from your view of "God" as our God
1) they don't know who stan is, you don't know who god is
2)"while he is their "creator" in a comic book sense, I don't think that makes him their god" - God is your creator in your religious view point because you believe he created you......... how is that different? (they just don't know their "God's" real name is Stan)

not that that really has anything to do with this thread, it just caught my interest


My mistake for getting into that kind of argument. Let's just focus on the task at hand, hey Scoob? Could you get me a broom, I can't stand seeing Cap's intrails over there in that corner, they're crowding me.

"Oh man, I'm so sick of listening to you're constant blabbering of how Dr. Doom beat Spidey and Wolvie beat Hulk. Wow. That really helps your argument when according to you Spidey's spider sense did not go off when it was supposed to in that fight and Hulk was made to strip Wolvie of his bada** attitude. "

ummm another example of how you don't actually read the posts, spidey's sense WAS going off, it just wasn't helping him from getting clobbered.

"And please, stop being such a kissa** to Cap. It really does not become you."

Well that's some sh**, I'm not kissin his ass, I just happen to agree with him on a bit of stuff. I hardly think thats asskissing at it's finest.

"But this particular battle is in no way a situation where Spidey gets trampled. "

obviously we're at a disagreement here.

"If these facts don't sway you, then I admire ytour persistance, and pity it. For it is that of someone lost and alone without an argument impressively to the contrary."

And I never had to result to insults to get you to insult me. hmm, interesting. Anyway's I'd hardly say i'm either lost or alone for that matter (look at the poll).

Originally posted by jinzin
"Oh man, I'm so sick of listening to you're constant blabbering of how Dr. Doom beat Spidey and Wolvie beat Hulk. Wow. That really helps your argument when according to you Spidey's spider sense did not go off when it was supposed to in that fight and Hulk was made to strip Wolvie of his bada** attitude. "

ummm another example of how you don't actually read the posts, spidey's sense WAS going off, it just wasn't helping him from getting clobbered.

"And please, stop being such a kissa** to Cap. It really does not become you."

Well that's some sh**, I'm not kissin his ass, I just happen to agree with him on a bit of stuff. I hardly think thats asskissing at it's finest.

"But this particular battle is in no way a situation where Spidey gets trampled. "

obviously we're at a disagreement here.

"If these facts don't sway you, then I admire ytour persistance, and pity it. For it is that of someone lost and alone without an argument impressively to the contrary."

And I never had to result to insults to get you to insult me. hmm, interesting. Anyway's I'd hardly say i'm either lost or alone for that matter (look at the poll).


Why did you even bring up the Doom vs. Spidey fight anyway? And Spidey's spider sense might as well not have gone off if he was just going to sit there and take it. Last I heard Doom wasn't up to par with Spidey in terms of speed and agility.

And I'm sorry for offending you by calling you a kissa**, I just thought I had to say something before the wedding.

And yes we are at a disagreement with the battle, and only one of us (I'm referring to myself here) is making sense.

And if you call my last statement an insult, well, I'll try to be more alert to your sensitivity. 😆

And why do I need to look at the poll? From what I read on the posts, there are plenty of occurances that have been layed out and explained for the slow-learners where Spidey could and would win quite easily.

Originally posted by jinzin
"That does not mean he is as quick as Spiderman is"

yeah I suppose that's why siderman quotes that wolverine may actually be faster than himself huh?

Anyways, I agree that the trio is limited to mostly h2h combat, however, there's no need to discard their abilities in any fight. These guys can of course take down all sorts of enemies using just their hand to hand combat techniques. Spiderman has been pummbled by some pretty pathetic foes in hand to hand combat (ei:8 deathspawn) and even though in an all out fight I agree spider-man is nothing to be taken lightly (firelord), niether are any of these heroes. Seriously when Wolverine goes "All out" he becomes a nearly unstopable killing machine ruthless relentless and unforgiving. People seem to mistake wolverine in that they think he goes all out all the time, but this simply isn't true, however when he does, watch the **** out!
As I stated before Spiderman threw nearly everything he had at wolverine and wolverine just smiled at it. Spiderman couldn't even instantly kill a human with a punch to the face using all the strength he had left at the end of it (for a guy that can level solid walls). Yet, everytime team trio brings up examples of how spiderman had been hit/hurt in h2h combat, or rivaled by street leveled characters, all we get in response is the pathetic "crap writing" argument (if you can call it one)
The thing is this, team trio HAS indeed come up with viable reasons and multiple scenarios as to why they should and would win, so I'm really not interested in producing yet another. The fact is although these fighters are limited to street level tactics and h2h combat, it's all they really need, it suites them and it's more than enough to take spiderman apart at the seams. I agree the trio won't be having a walk through the park in dealing with spiderman but I have yet to hear any believable scenario as to how spiderman can beat the three of these guys at the same time.


Realistically, when it comes to Spidey at his best, none of this comes into play.

Especially the pathetic enemies tagging him and Wolvie actually being stated to be faster than Spidey himself. That was in no way Spidey at his best.

Who cares what Spiderman said in ONE STORY ARC. He has routinely showed that he is WAY faster and WAY quicker than Wolverine. Nightcrawler was amazed at how quick Spiderman is, and he will DANCE around Wolverine. So much for one time comic quotes.

Venom hung with Juggernaut in that mini-series. We know THAT is garbage, right? No way in hell Wolverine is "quicker" than Spidey when Spidey dodges bullets and Wolverine gets shot. That's common sense.

Was the Spiderman vs. Wolverine in continuity? I cannot recall. I lost that comic book about 20 years ago. If it is not, then the "fight" therein is of no consequence.

In terms of quickness (difference between being "quick" and "fast"; fast generally describes straight-line speed; quick, side to side movement, hand movement, et cetera), I'd say Spidey, then Daredevil, then Captain America, then Wolverine.

Spiderman routinely dodges bullets, and quite easily. Daredevil has dodged bullets before also. Captain America more often than not simply deflects them. Wolverine has been shot too many times to count. I can honestly recall exactly one reference to him dodging bullets.

Agility? Spiderman edging out Daredevil and Captain America. Wolverine is a distant fourth.

Strength? Spiderman, then Captain America, then Wolverine, then Daredevil (and Wolverine is not a whole lot stronger than Daredevil).

And the more I think of it, most responses here are geared towards Spidey being stupid enough to try to plow through all three at once. Peter Parker is BRILLIANT. He is far from stupid. He'll bounce out if he has to and use RANGED attacks. Only two of the combatants he is facing has those -- DD's Billy Club and Captain America's shield.

One can actually make a very strong argument that Spiderman will actually last as long as he pleases.