Spiderman vs. Captain America/Daredevil/Wolverine

"Why did you even bring up the Doom vs. Spidey fight anyway? And Spidey's spider sense might as well not have gone off if he was just going to sit there and take it. Last I heard Doom wasn't up to par with Spidey in terms of speed and agility."

that's my whole point. If doom can tounce spiderman in a fight how is it viable to say that the entiretyof this trio wouldn'w even touch spiderman,all it takes is one good hit from wolverine's claws and spiderman's going down.

"And I'm sorry for offending you by calling you a kissa**, I just thought I had to say something before the wedding."

that's messed up man. (shakes head)

"And why do I need to look at the poll? "

I you can't figure out my reasoning for telling you to do that on your own,,,,you're beyone my help.

"Especially the pathetic enemies tagging him and Wolvie actually being stated to be faster than Spidey himself. That was in no way Spidey at his best."

and when as any of the trio (AT THEIR BEST) ever shown to be a bunch of slouches?

"No way in hell Wolverine is "quicker" than Spidey when Spidey dodges bullets and Wolverine gets shot."

Why would wolverine dodge bullets when has has no need to do so? Batman dodges bullets too, are you telling me that batman is times faster in the human reflexes blah blah blah department too?

"Was the Spiderman vs. Wolverine in continuity? I cannot recall. I lost that comic book about 20 years ago. If it is not, then the "fight" therein is of no consequence"

Yes it is,,,,,Ned leeds died in it.

and for the last time as i said if spidey tries to fight each one at a time he of coarse has a more than decent chance at beating the trio, but if they all attack him together he's gowing down, (6 to 8 deathspawn did it the trio's doing it too).

>>>Why would wolverine dodge bullets when has has no need to do so? Batman dodges bullets too, are you telling me that batman is times faster in the human reflexes blah blah blah department too?

Um, then why HAS Wolverine dodged bullets before if he has "no need to?"

Batman is not dodging a bullet from The Punisher if he gets the drop on him. Spiderman will. How's that?

And your Batman example is horrid. I can dodge a gunshot. However, I am NOT dodging a bullet AFTER it has been fired and is already en route. Anyone can run around zig-zag and dodge all but a highly-trained gunman's shots. Why do you think that most gun-related crimes are point-blank or multiple shots. Not too many "double tap" trained gunmen out there.

>>>and when as any of the trio (AT THEIR BEST) ever shown to be a bunch of slouches?

When has Spiderman (AT HIS BEST) ever been a slouch?

>>>but if they all attack him together he's gowing down, (6 to 8 deathspawn did it the trio's doing it too).

Right, like he went down against The X-Men...right?

Originally posted by jinzin
"there is no way that spider-man, fighting at his best, should get hit by this trio...... he's proven before that, even in darkness or surrounded by smoke or illusion, his spider-sense can guide him away from any and all danger......... including fire from multiple guns at multiple angles...... in this scenario of "

Please indulge me then, do you really think that this trio couldn't take down 6 to 8 deathspawn, the sum of which rendered spidey completely helpless?

what's a deathspawn?

but spidey has lasted more than a couple of seconds against the silver surfer....... which is more than these three combined could hope to manage

"Um, then why HAS Wolverine dodged bullets before if he has "no need to?"

either: to show off, he didn't feel like getting hit: or he had a bone skeleton. Honestly wolverine downed over 100 pirates who were armed with knives, machetes, and guns. He didn't stalk them 1 by 1, he went after them head on, honsetly what need does he have to dodge bullets?

"Batman is not dodging a bullet from The Punisher if he gets the drop on him. Spiderman will. How's that"

how's that? well...debatable.

"When has Spiderman (AT HIS BEST) ever been a slouch?"

he hasn't, and i never claimed otherwise. My point is that, at their best these heroes DON'T LOSE, at their best DD's gonna be dodging anything spiderman's throwing at him, Cap's gonna be strategizing the hell out of the fight, and wolverine well, he just becomes unstopable until something's dead. to just say spiderman at his best would trounce these guys no contest really doesn't do justice to the team. Like I said i've read over 500 spiderman comics in the last few months (I see spiderman in my dreams) yet, i still see no way he'll be able to beat the three of these guys in a 3 on 1 matchup. If it was any lesser 3 guys in the least i would agree but these three? common.

"Right, like he went down against The X-Men...right?"

You guys wanna discard my comic examples and comparisons cause you call em crap writing but you're going to use an example from a book where beyonder's running around in a disco suite, galactus nearly gets beaten to death, hulk holds up a 150billion ton mountain range with no rage up time, wolverine dispatches absorbing man in 3 seconds, spiderman and wasp take it to the entriety of the x-men, (the list goes on and on).........?
honestly if you're going to use that, i see no reason to discard the comic where wolverine and spiderman came to a stalemate. (so what if spidey wasn't at his best neither was wolverine, but spiderman did say he was giving wolverine everything he had at the time. If wolverine can stalemate spidey and the cap and dd can probably beat wolverine, well as one of you guys said earlier, even a child can do the math.

"what's a deathspawn?"

pathetic rage demon-like creatures that took down spidey in about 5 or 6 frames. after being unleashed, venom went all out on them to get to spidey so he could kill them, in turn saving his ass.

don't forget firlord..whoops my bad..no SMvsFirlord in the debates..lol

difference being.....Secret Wars happened in comic continuity. Spiderman kept his symbiote suit.

Spiderman vs. Wolverine wasn't part of normal continuity...it was a one shot.

Originally posted by Scoobless
what's a deathspawn?

but spidey has lasted more than a couple of seconds against the silver surfer....... which is more than these three combined could hope to manage

But in the end, he lost of course. Surfer is just too much for Spider-Man.

i wouldn't say he was dominating, but he did manage to throw the surfer off-balance which is a feat in itself

>>>either: to show off, he didn't feel like getting hit: or he had a bone skeleton. Honestly wolverine downed over 100 pirates who were armed with knives, machetes, and guns. He didn't stalk them 1 by 1, he went after them head on, honsetly what need does he have to dodge bullets?

Conjecture. You really don't know.

PIRATES? Egad. Tons of one-eyed "yarrrgh" individuals with bandanas. Daredevil stomped scores of ninjas before. Pirates? *shrug*

>>>My point is that, at their best these heroes DON'T LOSE, at their best DD's gonna be dodging anything spiderman's throwing at him, Cap's gonna be strategizing the hell out of the fight, and wolverine well, he just becomes unstopable until something's dead.

Wrong, the only one who Marvel prefers not to "let lose" is Captain America, hence them saying, quote, he "always finds a way."

>>>how's that? well...debatable.

Because Batman does not dodge bullets after they are fired from a gun. "Getting the drop" means getting "the jump" on someone and firing before they notice. It's not debatable. Of course Batman has body armor, but that's beside the point. Batman does NOT have superhuman reflexes, and neither does Wolverine.

>>>You guys wanna discard my comic examples and comparisons cause you call em crap writing but you're going to use an example from a book where beyonder's running around in a disco suite

Wrong mini-series.

>>>galactus nearly gets beaten to death

Galactus transformed his entire homeworld into energy (his homeworld was a good fraction of the size of the Milky Way); Dr. Doom absorbed allllll of it. That's credible. Very.

>>>hulk holds up a 150billion ton mountain range with no rage up time

He had "rage up time." If you go back and read the comic book, you will see where they said Molecule Man held up that entire mountain range over their heads for a GOOD bit, THEN dropped it. Plus you have no clue how much "rage up time" Hulk needs for his strength to shoot upward exponentially.

>>>wolverine dispatches absorbing man in 3 seconds

He CUT HIS ARM OFF and The Absorbing Man stopped fighting. Since when was The Absorbing Man a Jedi Knight when it comes to fighting ability?

>>>spiderman and wasp take it to the entriety of the x-men

And...? Perfectly in line with Spiderman THEN. The Spiderman THEN was not the Spiderman that you read in the past few months. THAT Spiderman stomped Firelord and in Secret Wars stomped Titania (who lifted 85 tons) in issue #8. Forgot about that battle? He bounced around, dodged EVERY punch she threw at him, knocked her nearly unconscious, then tossed her outside by the ANKLE.

As far as the A beats B and B can beat C so A can beat C syllogism, how often does that EVER hold up? The Lakers beat the Pistons and the Pistons beat the Timberwolves, so the Lakers should beat the Timberwolves? Not even.

for the hulk thing, well his adrenaline would go through the roof seeing a mountain range over head and he never really held up the entire 150,000,000,000 tons of it, he really only stopped a very small portion of that from caving in on him...... it was just a dramatic cover for the issue, he probably only had to support a few thousand tons at the most, which is a hell of a lot, but is much more plausible than holding an entire mountain range especially considering his mental state................... how would you feel if someone did that to you and your mates?

Originally posted by Scoobless
for the hulk thing, well his adrenaline would go through the roof seeing a mountain range over head and he never really held up the entire 150,000,000,000 tons of it, he really only stopped a very small portion of that from caving in on him...... it was just a dramatic cover for the issue, he probably only had to support a few thousand tons at the most

Question for you.

Dive to the bottom of say, Lake Michigan (925 feet). How much of that great lake is exerting its pressure on you?

A little off the topic..but there was another issue where hulk lifted a mountain.. I believe it was Incredible Hulk 149 or 150..he goes up against Havok/Polaris and lifts a mountain over his head with ease..the funny thing about the sceario is the fact that he really wasn't that ticked....

Originally posted by jinzin
"Why did you even bring up the Doom vs. Spidey fight anyway? And Spidey's spider sense might as well not have gone off if he was just going to sit there and take it. Last I heard Doom wasn't up to par with Spidey in terms of speed and agility."

that's my whole point. If doom can tounce spiderman in a fight how is it viable to say that the entiretyof this trio wouldn'w even touch spiderman,all it takes is one good hit from wolverine's claws and spiderman's going down.

"And I'm sorry for offending you by calling you a kissa**, I just thought I had to say something before the wedding."

that's messed up man. (shakes head)

"And why do I need to look at the poll? "

I you can't figure out my reasoning for telling you to do that on your own,,,,you're beyone my help.

"Especially the pathetic enemies tagging him and Wolvie actually being stated to be faster than Spidey himself. That was in no way Spidey at his best."

and when as any of the trio (AT THEIR BEST) ever shown to be a bunch of slouches?

"No way in hell Wolverine is "quicker" than Spidey when Spidey dodges bullets and Wolverine gets shot."

Why would wolverine dodge bullets when has has no need to do so? Batman dodges bullets too, are you telling me that batman is times faster in the human reflexes blah blah blah department too?

"Was the Spiderman vs. Wolverine in continuity? I cannot recall. I lost that comic book about 20 years ago. If it is not, then the "fight" therein is of no consequence"

Yes it is,,,,,Ned leeds died in it.

and for the last time as i said if spidey tries to fight each one at a time he of coarse has a more than decent chance at beating the trio, but if they all attack him together he's gowing down, (6 to 8 deathspawn did it the trio's doing it too).

And my other statement about the wedding was a joke, so don't turn it into something perverted for the sake of your laughable arguments.

And you completely ignored what I stated after I referred to looking at the poll, there are PLENTY of Spidey supporters who have provided PLENTY of scenarios where Spidey could win while the trio supporters have not. Go ahead and deny it, call me an a**, but it doesn't change my opinion about your arguments, if you can call them that.

And no the trio at their best aren't a bunch of slouches when you read off their abilities. But when compared to someone like Spidey, who basically ripped IRON MAN 2020 apart without getting tagged once by him or his arsenal of lasers AT ALL at HIS best, they aren't special.

Originally posted by jinzin
"Um, then why HAS Wolverine dodged bullets before if he has "no need to?"

either: to show off, he didn't feel like getting hit: or he had a bone skeleton. Honestly wolverine downed over 100 pirates who were armed with knives, machetes, and guns. He didn't stalk them 1 by 1, he went after them head on, honsetly what need does he have to dodge bullets?

"Batman is not dodging a bullet from The Punisher if he gets the drop on him. Spiderman will. How's that"

how's that? well...debatable.

"When has Spiderman (AT HIS BEST) ever been a slouch?"

he hasn't, and i never claimed otherwise. My point is that, at their best these heroes DON'T LOSE, at their best DD's gonna be dodging anything spiderman's throwing at him, Cap's gonna be strategizing the hell out of the fight, and wolverine well, he just becomes unstopable until something's dead. to just say spiderman at his best would trounce these guys no contest really doesn't do justice to the team. Like I said i've read over 500 spiderman comics in the last few months (I see spiderman in my dreams) yet, i still see no way he'll be able to beat the three of these guys in a 3 on 1 matchup. If it was any lesser 3 guys in the least i would agree but these three? common.

"Right, like he went down against The X-Men...right?"

You guys wanna discard my comic examples and comparisons cause you call em crap writing but you're going to use an example from a book where beyonder's running around in a disco suite, galactus nearly gets beaten to death, hulk holds up a 150billion ton mountain range with no rage up time, wolverine dispatches absorbing man in 3 seconds, spiderman and wasp take it to the entriety of the x-men, (the list goes on and on).........?
honestly if you're going to use that, i see no reason to discard the comic where wolverine and spiderman came to a stalemate. (so what if spidey wasn't at his best neither was wolverine, but spiderman did say he was giving wolverine everything he had at the time. If wolverine can stalemate spidey and the cap and dd can probably beat wolverine, well as one of you guys said earlier, even a child can do the math.

Screw the Batman/Punisher debate, I'll leave that up to you and yours.

And at Spidey's best, unless he's fighting someone who is just outright better than he is in every aspect possible physically or untouchable in a literal sense (and this has happened....once?) then Spidey will touch them, and he will hurt them. Honestly, you can't take eveything from the comics to help your arguments. I doubt Spidey was actually giving Wolvie everything he had, there have been plenty of occurances where Spidey has given other super-powered enemies Wolvie can only hope and pray to become as powerful as everything he had and they didn't end up laughing. Most would end up incapacitated, nearly killed from the onslaught. The guy has nearly killed the Green Goblin on what, two, three occasions? He's torn the tentacle harness from Doc Ock's spine with his bare hands. He's ripped Iron Man's face off with one punch after crippling his suit early on.

Believe me, at his best, DD won't dodge nearly everything Spidey throws, he'll be lucky if he could make them out to comprehend them as fists and not incredibly fast-moving blurs. DD is NOT Spidey, Spidey is like DD times 100 or more, this is especially so when he's at his best.

And how's Cap gonna strategize against someone who gets as fast, agile, maneuverable, viscious with his strength, enduring, blurry etc. as Spidey? Especially in a battle with no prep time! This is a hands-on battle here people, a "think on your feet" battle. Not a, "five minute reasearch session before battle" battle. Cap. does not know Spidey at his best, and Spidey is quite unbelievable at his best, in a good (but terrifying) way.

And Wolvie, well, he's basically gonna come out there the most coordinated and perceptive within the trio. But that won't mean jacksquat to Spidey, who could handle him via speedblitz. Wolvie ain't Spidey speed, agility, natural durability, will, strength, etc.

It can't even be classified as a "good fight." More like a "blurry thing speedblitzes and kills not so blurry things fight."

"Spiderman vs. Wolverine wasn't part of normal continuity...it was a one shot."

actually it was, ned leeds the "original" hobgoblin died in that book which led to a slew of different events in spiderman's history.

"Conjecture. You really don't know. "

I never claimed to, however you seem to be more than ready to crussify wolvie for dodging a couple of bullets, doesn't mean he needed to, (unless he only had a bone skeleton).

"And my other statement about the wedding was a joke, so don't turn it into something perverted for the sake of your laughable arguments."

All I said was that was ****ed up, and it was. Don't try to make me the scapegoat, you're the one that said it. seems like you're self conscious now, hmmm.

"And you completely ignored what I stated after I referred to looking at the poll"

umm no, i reffered to the poll in response to your "you're alone" statement, obviously, that ain't true.

"it doesn't change my opinion about your arguments"

exactly, opinions are the only things you have to hold on to.

"Even if Wolvie could dodge bullets, so what? That would not make him faster than Spidey."

First off, it was team spidey that brought up wolverine dodging bullets in this debate, and secondly I don't recall ever saying that wolverine WAS faster than spidey,,,,ever. I nodded to what spiderman exclaimed when fighting wolverine, however I've never stated "wolverine is faster than spiderman",,,,,you should probably stop assuming what I'm trying to to convey in my posts and just take them for what they are.

"Honestly, you can't take eveything from the comics to help your arguments."

Honestly,,,, yes i can, this being a comic book forum and all. Besides I don't recall ever reading any rules for this board where I have to abide by "strawnilla's debating meathods". lol.

"I doubt Spidey was actually giving Wolvie everything he had"

AND I QUOTE:
(spiderman's thoughts) don't feel anymore. Spider-sense. All the sense that's left. there. ..........can't let up, can't give him a second. he'll kill me. wolverine has an adamantium skull. I BASH AWAY WITH EVERYTHING I'VE GOT............
I'm hitting him hard enough to wreck cars. An ordinary man would be turned to jello-by now. I can't get him to stop smiling........
I've given him EVERYTHING I'VE GOT. He just keeps coming.

right at this moment wolverine tackles spiderman, his hands in spiderman's stomach (without his claws out), then he punches Spiderman in the face (without his claws out). even then!.....it ends in a stalemate anyways.

then after the fight:
I try teaching my legs how to walk. they're slow learners.

That should be the beginning and the end of this debate. Wolverine on his own is more than enough for spiderman, combined with two other veteren fighters, and expert leadership, they would win this freakin fight.

"a "think on your feet" battle."

hmmmmm something that all of these fighters....(not just spidey) are adept to.

"But that won't mean jacksquat to Spidey,"

really? sounds like more quote time is in order.

(spiderman thoughts.....again) "this guy is like nothing I've ever met before.......and those claws just keep coming.....I imagine what their touch must be like......i'm afraid to die......killed by a madman and left bleeping in a dingy east berlin cemetary."

yeah it totally sounds like that don't mean jack to spiderman huh?.....and this was in a fight where wolverine kep his friggin cool.....(shakes head) i don't know about you people.

Wrong, the only one who Marvel prefers not to "let lose" is Captain America, hence them saying, quote, he "always finds a way."

please give me an exaple when these heroes have been fighting at their absolute best and just got beaten down.

"PIRATES? Egad. Tons of one-eyed "yarrrgh" individuals with bandanas. Daredevil stomped scores of ninjas before. Pirates? *shrug*"

the point was that a ton of them had guns which they used to shoot people...you know like wolverine for instance, and he prevailed without any need for bullet dodging.

"Because Batman does not dodge bullets after they are fired from a gun."

My point is that, despite spiderman's spidersense he's been taken by suprise before because his spider sense doesn't tell him precisely where the dangers coming from, after the bullets shot, both these characters have more than a good chance/certainty of going down.

"The Spiderman THEN was not the Spiderman that you read in the past few months. THAT Spiderman stomped Firelord and in Secret Wars stomped Titania (who lifted 85 tons) in issue #8. Forgot about that battle? He bounced around, dodged EVERY punch she threw at him, knocked her nearly unconscious, then tossed her outside by the ANKLE."

agreed as it stands today spiderman as been powered down a great load both in intellect (i'm of course reffering to his almost lobo like talent for understanding how an enemies weapon works just by seeing it, hearing it, not hearing it, whatever, and pulling a device outa his ass that nullifies it completely and all from materials in his own home), and overall,,,,,at the same time, wolverine's now written to take nuclear bombs at ground zero. so? i don't remeber this fight having to take place circa:insert year here.

"As far as the A beats B and B can beat C so A can beat C syllogism, how often does that EVER hold up?"

just so you undersatand I agree with you, but since so many spidey fans agree that since spiderman can beat the sin 6 he can take this trio with ease....well that's just askin for it really.

Like others. It would be kind of hard for spider-man to defeat Daredevil, Captain America and Wolverine all at once. He may when for his super-strength and spider-sense. I think he also has to defeat Wolverine last, in my opinion.

I think all of these guys are pretty much equal...

Originally posted by jinzin
"Spiderman vs. Wolverine wasn't part of normal continuity...it was a one shot."

actually it was, ned leeds the "original" hobgoblin died in that book which led to a slew of different events in spiderman's history.

"Conjecture. You really don't know. "

I never claimed to, however you seem to be more than ready to crussify wolvie for dodging a couple of bullets, doesn't mean he needed to, (unless he only had a bone skeleton).

"And my other statement about the wedding was a joke, so don't turn it into something perverted for the sake of your laughable arguments."

All I said was that was ****ed up, and it was. Don't try to make me the scapegoat, you're the one that said it. seems like you're self conscious now, hmmm.

"And you completely ignored what I stated after I referred to looking at the poll"

umm no, i reffered to the poll in response to your "you're alone" statement, obviously, that ain't true.

"it doesn't change my opinion about your arguments"

exactly, opinions are the only things you have to hold on to.

"Even if Wolvie could dodge bullets, so what? That would not make him faster than Spidey."

First off, it was team spidey that brought up wolverine dodging bullets in this debate, and secondly I don't recall ever saying that wolverine WAS faster than spidey,,,,ever. I nodded to what spiderman exclaimed when fighting wolverine, however I've never stated "wolverine is faster than spiderman",,,,,you should probably stop assuming what I'm trying to to convey in my posts and just take them for what they are.

"Honestly, you can't take eveything from the comics to help your arguments."

Honestly,,,, yes i can, this being a comic book forum and all. Besides I don't recall ever reading any rules for this board where I have to abide by "strawnilla's debating meathods". lol.

"I doubt Spidey was actually giving Wolvie everything he had"

AND I QUOTE:
(spiderman's thoughts) don't feel anymore. Spider-sense. All the sense that's left. there. ..........can't let up, can't give him a second. he'll kill me. wolverine has an adamantium skull. I BASH AWAY WITH EVERYTHING I'VE GOT............
I'm hitting him hard enough to wreck cars. An ordinary man would be turned to jello-by now. I can't get him to stop smiling........
I've given him EVERYTHING I'VE GOT. He just keeps coming.

right at this moment wolverine tackles spiderman, his hands in spiderman's stomach (without his claws out), then he punches Spiderman in the face (without his claws out). even then!.....it ends in a stalemate anyways.

then after the fight:
I try teaching my legs how to walk. they're slow learners.

That should be the beginning and the end of this debate. Wolverine on his own is more than enough for spiderman, combined with two other veteren fighters, and expert leadership, they would win this freakin fight.

"a "think on your feet" battle."

hmmmmm something that all of these fighters....(not just spidey) are adept to.

"But that won't mean jacksquat to Spidey,"

really? sounds like more quote time is in order.

(spiderman thoughts.....again) "this guy is like nothing I've ever met before.......and those claws just keep coming.....I imagine what their touch must be like......i'm afraid to die......killed by a madman and left bleeping in a dingy east berlin cemetary."

yeah it totally sounds like that don't mean jack to spiderman huh?.....and this was in a fight where wolverine kep his friggin cool.....(shakes head) i don't know about you people.

Wrong, the only one who Marvel prefers not to "let lose" is Captain America, hence them saying, quote, he "always finds a way."

please give me an exaple when these heroes have been fighting at their absolute best and just got beaten down.

"PIRATES? Egad. Tons of one-eyed "yarrrgh" individuals with bandanas. Daredevil stomped scores of ninjas before. Pirates? *shrug*"

the point was that a ton of them had guns which they used to shoot people...you know like wolverine for instance, and he prevailed without any need for bullet dodging.

"Because Batman does not dodge bullets after they are fired from a gun."

My point is that, despite spiderman's spidersense he's been taken by suprise before because his spider sense doesn't tell him precisely where the dangers coming from, after the bullets shot, both these characters have more than a good chance/certainty of going down.

"The Spiderman THEN was not the Spiderman that you read in the past few months. THAT Spiderman stomped Firelord and in Secret Wars stomped Titania (who lifted 85 tons) in issue #8. Forgot about that battle? He bounced around, dodged EVERY punch she threw at him, knocked her nearly unconscious, then tossed her outside by the ANKLE."

agreed as it stands today spiderman as been powered down a great load both in intellect (i'm of course reffering to his almost lobo like talent for understanding how an enemies weapon works just by seeing it, hearing it, not hearing it, whatever, and pulling a device outa his ass that nullifies it completely and all from materials in his own home), and overall,,,,,at the same time, wolverine's now written to take nuclear bombs at ground zero. so? i don't remeber this fight having to take place circa:insert year here.

"As far as the A beats B and B can beat C so A can beat C syllogism, how often does that EVER hold up?"

just so you undersatand I agree with you, but since so many spidey fans agree that since spiderman can beat the sin 6 he can take this trio with ease....well that's just askin for it really.

And when Spidey was given him everything he had physically, Wolvie's organs should've turned to jelly on contact, they did when he was fighting the Hulk. And while Spidey's not the Hulk, he still can do sufficient enough damage to his organs with his punches that would in fact reduce them to jelly. And you stated yourself that Wolvie is not faster than Spidey, so just becuase something like what you posted happened in comics, doesn't mean it would happen if Spidey was using ALL of his abilities to their greatest extents, and he is. So Spidey will win quite soundly, and easily.

And next time, trying posting everything I post in an argument, instead of one or two sentences. I know you don't have good retortions to them, I just want to see what you post as a reaction.

Originally posted by IRTMU-Dragon
I think all of these guys are pretty much equal...