Isn't that the issue where Spidey claims the Cap's punch is "too fast" for his Spider sense to handle..lol...come on now man...That's almost as bad as the "Caps head was used as a wrecking ball" reference mentioned earlier in this thread..If you get to use that...then I get to use SM vs Firelord...lol...SM wins all the waaaaay...
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
It's not silly, it's comic books.And while using people that a character has defeated is good in my opinion, they could have just as easily written Cap beating Firelord the way it was written.
Cap beating Firelord..lol..riiiiiiight... 🙄
Although a good story...the SM vs FL battle just barely made it as being "credible battle in my opinion...still...I have an easier time believing Spidey coming out on top in this battle than I do any of the Trio...
...Please give me a "well thought out" scenario as to how Cap/DD/Wolvie could beat Firelord with their "abilities" alone.(ie they can't use the ultimate nullifier", infinity Gauntlet, etc)
Using people that the character has beaten is okay.....if it's consistant with the character.......however the "a beat c", "c beat d", so "a can beat d" theory doesn't work well...as we've seen thru out this thread, we can apply this logic to any character....Case in point the Firelord battle...
Spidey beats Firelord...
Firelord destroys planets...
That means Spidey can destroy planets as well right...lol... 😆 😆
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Cap beating Firelord..lol..riiiiiiight... 🙄Although a good story...the SM vs FL battle just barely made it as being "credible battle in my opinion...still...I have an easier time believing Spidey coming out on top in this battle than I do any of the Trio...
What difference does it make if Firelord "destroys planets?" He made the mistake of engaging Spidey in a fistfight -- similar to Silver Surfer with Thor.
Yes, Firelord is overall waaay more powerful BUT again, make it a close-range fistfight? Game over.
Same thing with Titania in Secret Wars. She presses 85 tons...but Spidey is quicker, smarter, faster, more agile, and had a ton of room to work with.
As he said..."Oh, but if we fought in a closet it would be fair?"
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
You don't get it, Spiderman doesn't possess enough strength to harm Firelord, that's why Tron named a rule after that fight. SvFL is not a valid arguement.
No, YOU don't get it. The fight IS quite valid, and it was in continuity. With all respect due, no one here is an "expert" such that they can arbitrarily determine that any fight is invalid (especially one that is in continuity), save the blatantly obvious (Venom vs. Juggernaut, for example).
Firelord has been written in two ways. One, WITH the Power Cosmic surging through him (which granted him abilities such as his skin automatically incinerating any projectile before it touched him); the other, WITHOUT the Power Cosmic. Of COURSE Spidey could not overcome the first one. He fought the SECOND one.
Would you like quotes to see the difference between the two?
The first one that I mentioned:
"As a consequence of his cosmic form and metabolism, Firelord is far stronger than a human being. When he channels his cosmiic energy into acts of physical strength, he can augment his musculature to enable him to lift (press) 50 tons.
Although Firelord still possesses a solid physical body, he is virtually impervious to most forms of physical harm. His body automatically incinerates any projectile before it reaches the surface of his "skin."
The one Spiderman fought:
"Pyreus Kril was given the Power Cosmic by Galactus when he agreed to become his herald. The most common manifestation of these powers is the ability to shoot and control flame through his Bo Staff. He is capable of interstellar travel under his own power and is immune to the hazards of space. With the Power Cosmic comes a myriad of other abilities, but these seem to be dormant at this time."
Now the ONLY thing is the incongruity in strength levels. The LATTER bio says:
Strength: 100 Class
The FORMER bio says:
"When he channels his cosmiic energy into acts of physical strength, he can augment his musculature to enable him to lift (press) 50 tons."
I cannot explain that one -- but Firelord is NOT "invulnerable," so yes, someone who presses 10 tons has sufficient power to knock him out.
No, actually I don't.
I just find it hard to believe that either of those peak human characters could keep up with Spiderman.
What happened between Spiderman and the X-men in Secret Wars is more how I see Spiderman. He really should be able to dance around these characters considering his powers on paper.
But that would give the trio far too little credit considering how prestigious their careers have been.
Originally posted by Linkalicious
Spiderman beating Firelord is no more PIS than Daredevil dodging everything Spiderman threw at him nor is it more PIS than Wolverine being faster than Spiderman.
Wolverine beating Lobo
Wasp humiliating the X-Men
Batman beating Hulk
Captain America being too fast for Spider-Man
I never understood why the Spider-Man vs Firelord fight is "banned" ? Like Firelord is such a powerhouse, he's just a second rate herald, a lousy fighter too and not half as tough as most people think he is.
And it is NOT the only powerhouse Spider-Man defeated with his bare hands...