Spiderman vs. Captain America/Daredevil/Wolverine

"Cap isn't overrated? I didn't belittle it, Cap IS overrated. Don't make me look like the bad guy here when you're the one who keeps coming back constantly after being proven wrong. You said it yourself, the guy had 5-7 comics with not a "jewel" in the bunch...and yet, he's still too popular for Spidey to overcome? "

please don't be ludicrous, you haven't proven me wrong in the least except with your opinion of how this fight would turn out. As far as I know you can't PROVE someone wrong with opinions. lol.....ridiculous.
and you're obviously misreading my posts again, Spiderman's the one who has 5 to 7 ongoing titles at any given time. plus a plethora of one shots and what have you, he faaaaar outweighs the "overused" factor when compared to any of these other three (and given wolverine's ridiculous amounts of guest appearances per month, that's saying alot.) so please don't try to discard cap's flooring of spidey as a simple popularity contest. Especially when it happened in spiderman's own friggin comic.

"When it was you who brought Spidey fighting guy who took over the world and gave it away when he was bored with it (Doom) just to find a scenario where Spidey was so "easily" defeated?"

Yeah, this happened to be in a fist fight though, it's not like doc. doom takes over the world using his brute force alone, which is hat you're implying,,,,,,once again your reply is riddled with logical falacies.

"And you dare call me pathetic? After I explained to you just how powerful Spidey was compared to the peak humans, and that the methods and ways in which they beat Spidey (which they shouldn't do in the first place) where redicoulous? Not to mention how others as well as I have explained how Spidey vs. Cap, Spidey vs. Wolvie, and Spidey vs. DD are almost non-fights from a vital standpoint. Looks like you need to checkup on your logic....hypocrite."

once again, your entire argument is based on us the readers forgetting about every showing that a street-level has showed against spidey simply because you disagree with it, not really much of an argument at all.
and non fights? please anything that ends in a draw where both characters are at a lethal stalemate, is anything but a nonfight.

"And your snippy little comment about how I used the crap writing argument, you could prove my other statement wrong by calling it crap writing, just proves you're desperation to get one of your stupid claims across. Yes, I did use the crap writing argument (not primarily) and I say this with pride because unlike you jinzin, I can admit when something's crap writing, like, I never said that Spidey would mutilate Superman, he'd be murdered. But as for these guys, they aren't Supermen, they aren't even superhumans period. And going up against a superhuman, especially one as uniquely set with his powers as Spidey, they don't have much of a chance."

And yet even more assumptions from you about my character. I've admitted to crap writting all the freaking time, the actuall diff between me and you is that I don't discard a comic book occurance based on the writing not being all that great, if I were to do that,,,,,well we all know how many super heroes simply wouldn't even exist i we are to stay to the confines of reality, spider-man for instance. To simply disregard comic book occurances becasue you don't agree with them is stupid, it's a contradiction to why people read super hero comic books, in a world of very lax physical and logical principles. Is it great writing to say that a radio-active pider bite causes super-human abilities in a person? pffffft I think not, it's hardly award winning material, because this simply can't happen, so under that same argument I could very well argue that spiderman doesn't exist according to the "crap writing argument". However, i digress.

cosmo kramer, you've said everything i no longer need to reidderate,,,,thank you.

Originally posted by Cosmo Kramer
You people do know that Spider-man was beaten by the Punisher, Kingpin, Joker (yes it did happen), Kraven, and Vulture one on one who do not have anywhere near the skill of this team. Actually the Punisher has given Spider-man some serious trouble and nearly killed him. The Kingpin threw him around almost as if he was much stronger then spidey, and Joker beat him by pure wit. Kraven the Hunter should have killed him while he had the chance and Vulture would have killed him had BlackCat not interfered and been killed herself.

The Punisher originated in Spiderman Comics.

Spiderman still weighs only 165 lbs. Of course someone the size and strength of King Pin could throw him around...that doesn't mean Spiderman isn't capable of throwing King Pin a lot farther.

Vulture...is one of Spidey's traditional bad guys. He's fought Spiderman more times than Spiderman has ever even teamed up with the other 3 characters combined. What good would that character be if Spiderman beat his ass every single time that he was remotely in the area? What's the point of them always fighting if Vulture never stands a chance?
Kraven was very much the same way. How are you going to have a legitament bad guy if he isn't able to put the hero in compromising situations?

I'm sure there are quite a few instances for each of the three characters where they were nearly killed by less than stellar villains.

Originally posted by Cosmo Kramer
I will admit that if Spider-man went all out on he would confuse the hell out of any other human being...but not DareDevil's radar sense because no matter how fast he can get up to or no matter how quick his reactions are he will still appear at the same speed as any other human being. He cannot trick that sense with a speedblitz or whatever the hell that guy dishes out. DD has gone up against Spider-man before and even though he isnt as strong (DD admits this) his senses do take care of the rest. If Spider-man cant hit DD he cannot knock him out but even if he did it really would not do nearly as much damage as you think.

When I see all these responses I believe that these people supporting Spider-man dont know what the rest of the heroes can do. Spider-mans spider sense does not outclass DD's radar sense at all. DD was able to use his senses to catch the FF four's jet when it was going as fast as it possibly could go, get in and take down the enemy, get the jet back on course then drop out and catch onto a fire escape with after dropping a thousand feet over New York city while being blind. No way he cant tackle Spider-man... just because hes faster then the average human.

Really all it would take for Spiderman to hit DD would be to cause sufficient enough noise to throw off DD's radar sense.

He could do that any number of ways...

I will admit that if Spider-man went all out on he would confuse the hell out of any other human being...but not DareDevil's radar sense because no matter how fast he can get up to or no matter how quick his reactions are he will still appear at the same speed as any other human being.

There was an issue of Spectacular SM..I can't remember which one..where SM fought a dude(can't remember his name..looked like Michael Jackson though..lol) who had a "early warning" ability similar to his...in fact the Dude's ability to sense attacks was soo great..that it rivaled his Spider Sense...

SM couldn't hit the guy in their first encounter...but guess what happened in the next issue..SM was able to hit him..based on the fact that...get ready for this...duh..duh.duh..he was waay FASTER than him....like DD...the guy only had human level speed and reaction time....

And puhleaase quit saying that SM moves at the same speed as the trio...he's much faster than any of them..and even the MU handbook states that the guy is several times faster than a normal human...I don't know exactly how fast that works out to be...but based on the fact he is often described as being a "blur" when attacking his opponents...I would guess he's pretty darn fast.....

He cannot trick that sense with a speedblitz or whatever the hell that guy dishes out. DD has gone up against Spider-man before and even though he isnt as strong (DD admits this) his senses do take care of the rest.

Most of the interactions between the two have really used a bunch of CIS/PIS..lol..

Anyway...SM doesn't have to trick DD's senses.......as good as they are....they're not on a "pre cog" level. DD's heightened senses are used to detect things like heart rate, sound, smell..etc..things that one's "physical" senses can detect...

He also has a built in radar which enable's him to detect what's around him much like a bat..but regardless of how heightened his "physical" senses are....being that DD only moves at peak human speed and has a human level reaction time.....he ain't gonna be fast enough to avoid all of SM's attacks....

SM on the other hand..has a way of telling if he's in danger based on a "psychic intuition"(pre cog) that something is coming at him..it doesn't rely on his "physical senses"..but on this strong "psychic intuition"..which if used properly...works with his superhuman reflexes, agility, and speed keeping him out of danger's way...

No one slower than him(ie the Trio) should really be able to strike him..or take him by surprise if he uses this ability to it's fullest...refer to the pick below...

If Spider-man cant hit DD he cannot knock him out but even if he did it really would not do nearly as much damage as you think.

As mentioned before..SM should be able to hit DD/Cap based on his speed.....and all its going to take is one hit dude... to take both out..they both have human level endurance/durability...and won't be able to withstand a blow of someone with the strength to lift 10(plus) tons of pressure over his head...that's just common sense...

DD was able to use his senses to catch the FF four's jet when it was going as fast as it possibly could go, get in and take down the enemy, get the jet back on course then drop out and catch onto a fire escape with after dropping a thousand feet over New York city while being blind. No way he cant tackle Spider-man... just because hes faster then the average human.

Now if that's not an example of PIS.. I don't know what is......hey Tron can you add the above referenced scenario to the "No SMvFL" rules section....lol...

There is only one line left that may shut these people up and it is an exact quote from a Spider-man movie...

"Peter you do too much, your not Superman you know."

You are making comments and arguing as if the webhead is DC's ultimate super power and he is not. Many street level heroes, crazed hunters after the most dangerous game (great book), soldiors (not just super soldiors) have gone up againts the wenhead and have given him a run for his money and all of these heroes listed here have done so on their own. All he can do is run and hope one of them doesnt catch up!

You should know that no hardcore anything-not-based-on-a-movie will not accept movie lines as legit.

Originally posted by Cosmo Kramer
All he can do is run and hope one of them doesnt catch up!

Originally posted by Cosmo Kramer
There is only one line left that may shut these people up and it is an exact quote from a Spider-man movie...

"Peter you do too much, your not Superman you know."

You are making comments and arguing as if the webhead is DC's ultimate super power and he is not. Many street level heroes, crazed hunters after the most dangerous game (great book), soldiors (not just super soldiors) have gone up againts the wenhead and have given him a run for his money and all of these heroes listed here have done so on their own. All he can do is run and hope one of them doesnt catch up!

No SM is not the "Ultimate Super Power.." but neither are Captain/DD/or Wolvie..these guys..much like SM..consistantly have difficulty with human level fighters..

Wolverine got his ass handed to him by the Silver Samauri for Cripes sake..that guy has lost almost every single battle he's been in...

Cap consistantly get's boxed around by the Red Skull, a dude who's gotten his ass handed to him by SM more than once...

And DD consistantly gets his arse mangled by the Kingpin and his goons...lol...

All characters have their less then stellar moments..if they didn't..we wouldn't have interesting stories...but the fact remains..and yes it is a fact..that from an abilities perspective..SM outclasses the Trio many times over...and there ain't no amount of..Cap beat Nazies/DD took down Sabretooth/Wolvie survived being thrown into the sun..or other CIS/PIS stories that will convince me otherwise...

Originally posted by jinzin
"Cap isn't overrated? I didn't belittle it, Cap IS overrated. Don't make me look like the bad guy here when you're the one who keeps coming back constantly after being proven wrong. You said it yourself, the guy had 5-7 comics with not a "jewel" in the bunch...and yet, he's still too popular for Spidey to overcome? "

please don't be ludicrous, you haven't proven me wrong in the least except with your opinion of how this fight would turn out. As far as I know you can't PROVE someone wrong with opinions. lol.....ridiculous.
and you're obviously misreading my posts again, Spiderman's the one who has 5 to 7 ongoing titles at any given time. plus a plethora of one shots and what have you, he faaaaar outweighs the "overused" factor when compared to any of these other three (and given wolverine's ridiculous amounts of guest appearances per month, that's saying alot.) so please don't try to discard cap's flooring of spidey as a simple popularity contest. Especially when it happened in spiderman's own friggin comic.

"When it was you who brought Spidey fighting guy who took over the world and gave it away when he was bored with it (Doom) just to find a scenario where Spidey was so "easily" defeated?"

Yeah, this happened to be in a fist fight though, it's not like doc. doom takes over the world using his brute force alone, which is hat you're implying,,,,,,once again your reply is riddled with logical falacies.

"And you dare call me pathetic? After I explained to you just how powerful Spidey was compared to the peak humans, and that the methods and ways in which they beat Spidey (which they shouldn't do in the first place) where redicoulous? Not to mention how others as well as I have explained how Spidey vs. Cap, Spidey vs. Wolvie, and Spidey vs. DD are almost non-fights from a vital standpoint. Looks like you need to checkup on your logic....hypocrite."

once again, your entire argument is based on us the readers forgetting about every showing that a street-level has showed against spidey simply because you disagree with it, not really much of an argument at all.
and non fights? please anything that ends in a draw where both characters are at a lethal stalemate, is anything but a nonfight.

"And your snippy little comment about how I used the crap writing argument, you could prove my other statement wrong by calling it crap writing, just proves you're desperation to get one of your stupid claims across. Yes, I did use the crap writing argument (not primarily) and I say this with pride because unlike you jinzin, I can admit when something's crap writing, like, I never said that Spidey would mutilate Superman, he'd be murdered. But as for these guys, they aren't Supermen, they aren't even superhumans period. And going up against a superhuman, especially one as uniquely set with his powers as Spidey, they don't have much of a chance."

And yet even more assumptions from you about my character. I've admitted to crap writting all the freaking time, the actuall diff between me and you is that I don't discard a comic book occurance based on the writing not being all that great, if I were to do that,,,,,well we all know how many super heroes simply wouldn't even exist i we are to stay to the confines of reality, spider-man for instance. To simply disregard comic book occurances becasue you don't agree with them is stupid, it's a contradiction to why people read super hero comic books, in a world of very lax physical and logical principles. Is it great writing to say that a radio-active pider bite causes super-human abilities in a person? pffffft I think not, it's hardly award winning material, because this simply can't happen, so under that same argument I could very well argue that spiderman doesn't exist according to the "crap writing argument". However, i digress.

cosmo kramer, you've said everything i no longer need to reidderate,,,,thank you.

No, I didn't discard DD beating Spidey because the writing was not all that great, I did it because this is a comic book versus forum, where you post facts on how your character could win, you know, abilities within their limits. That's the difference between you and me jinzin, I have the facts, you have the crap.

And about my other post where I retorted your statement where you insulted my arguments by calling them "pathetic," I was simply overviewing what I did to prove Spidey's case. You had your comic books (you know those, those books you buy that suggest that a regular peak human could have his hands used as wrecking balls, track down jets using his "senses," and low, low, low, low level superhumans could walk away from thermonuclear balsts), and I had fact. Dispute it, spue your crap arguments at it, ignore it, I don't care. You haven't proven your point here, and disputing mine doesn't help in my book.

And using the crap writing to say that a comic book charcter doesn't exist? Just suggesting the idea (what you did) is rather hilarious.

Jinzin, no matter how ignorant, pig-headed, stuffy, and stuck up with pride your posts appear when it comes to arguing something ALOT OF PEOPLE (if not Cap., DD, and Wolvie fans and supporters) feel has been proven wrong, but they're good for a laugh or two. 😆

Originally posted by Cosmo Kramer
There is only one line left that may shut these people up and it is an exact quote from a Spider-man movie...

"Peter you do too much, your not Superman you know."

You are making comments and arguing as if the webhead is DC's ultimate super power and he is not. Many street level heroes, crazed hunters after the most dangerous game (great book), soldiors (not just super soldiors) have gone up againts the wenhead and have given him a run for his money and all of these heroes listed here have done so on their own. All he can do is run and hope one of them doesnt catch up!

You're trying to dispute that when Spidey goes full out, even with how his powers has devleoped over the last FORTY YEARS, with a speedblitz that Cap, DD, or Wolvie could counter it. That we've exaggerated Spidey's abilities. We never claimed Spidey could juggle planets, move a couple times the speed of light, deflect the Omega Effect with heat vision, hear things for miles, or any of the ridicoulous abilties of Superman. We just said that Spidey was the fastest, most agile, had the sharpest reflexes, and was all around the most powerful. After proving this with more differentiated yet useful examples than I could imagine for a thread, you and others have come back with the same tired arguments such as DD has stalemated and even beaten Spidey on occasions (in comics), that Wolvie has stalemated Spidey (once, in comics), and that Cap. has floored Spidey (once, in comics.)

To debate that we've overhyped Spidey's abilities after constantly proving right our views and wrong that Spidey wasn't holding back with the peak humans, is amusing. Pointless, really, but amusing. I'm not going to sit here and argue over and over again Spidey's showings in comics, as well as stating how he pulled his punches alot with people such as DD and Kingpin, aka, humans.

Or how he could laugh at Cap's sheild, rip it from it's grasp, toss it faster than Cap. ever could into DD, causing serious damage.

Or how he could speedblitz the both of them afterward, while spitting a few jokes here and there. Heck, if he chose to he could do this at the starting bell in about four seconds.

Or how he could blitz Wolvie after quickly downing Cap. and DD, and win via knockout (something not even if Wolvie could "heal" from.) Or turn to snatching out all his organs after shoving his fist through stomach as fast he could, clearing out the internal abdominal area in a matter of seconds while dodging a couple of claw strikes before Wolvie could take his precious time regenerating all of them. It's called "bob and weave." Step in, take heart, step out. Step in, take intestines, step out. Step in, take lungs, step out. Step in, take kidneys, step out. Etc., etc., etc. I don't think I need to remind you how fast Spidey would snatch out the organs, step back, and close in again for an attack.

straw, i don't know where your whole "snatch the organs" idea came from but i find it both amusing and worrying (perhaps you should try decaf) don't get me wrong, i think it is a plausible game plan for spidey but you could enhance your scenario by including the use of webbing more often. spidey's web, when fired, is not slow moving nor is it easy to dodge for characters who are proven to be faster than cap, DD and wolvy ie: carnage, puma, scorpion and green goblin (to name but a few) and, to the trio in this thread, is unbreakable, so i have to believe it would be a major factor in this skirmish and would immediately decrease the odds against spider-man when used to it's usual effectiveness

so all in all, what i'm getting at is this :- it's easier to pull out someones organs when they are webbed up to a wall and webbing any of this trio to a wall is not close to being beyond spider-man's abilities

Originally posted by Scoobless
straw, i don't know where your whole "snatch the organs" idea came from but i find it both amusing and worrying (perhaps you should try decaf) don't get me wrong, i think it is a plausible game plan for spidey but you could enhance your scenario by including the use of webbing more often. spidey's web, when fired, is not slow moving nor is it easy to dodge for characters who are proven to be faster than cap, DD and wolvy ie: carnage, puma, scorpion and green goblin (to name but a few) and, to the trio in this thread, is unbreakable, so i have to believe it would be a major factor in this skirmish and would immediately decrease the odds against spider-man when used to it's usual effectiveness

so all in all, what i'm getting at is this :- it's easier to pull out someones organs when they are webbed up to a wall and webbing any of this trio to a wall is not close to being beyond spider-man's abilities

I'm just glad you didn't argue something like "Wolverine could just regenerate them all."

Originally posted by StrawNilla
Point well taken, Scoob.

I'm just glad you didn't argue something like "Wolverine could just regenerate them all."

that would be idiotic......... it would essentially make him as unkillable as the juggernaut and we really don't need any more stupidly resilient characters around........ how many marvelites have a healing factor these days? it's friggin' ridiculous, there's wolvy, sabretooth, deadpool, angel (i think), hulk, juggs, abom (probably), wild child?, etc etc.... it used to be a cool unique ability but now it's becoming the standard thing to have...... there must be a deal on at the superpower store "free healing ability with every super-power purchased"

as for wolverine surviving a nuclear explosion................ i never read that one but it sounds fu**ing dumb

i stick to my original idea of wolvy getting webbed up to something then getting his nose and mouth filled with webbing killing him with the minimum of effort........... and just for fun we'll have spidey rip out his organs during this suffocation period just to see, once and for all, if a whole organ will regenerate............. 😛

Originally posted by Scoobless
that would be idiotic......... it would essentially make him as unkillable as the juggernaut and we really don't need any more stupidly resilient characters around........ how many marvelites have a healing factor these days? it's friggin' ridiculous, there's wolvy, sabretooth, deadpool, angel (i think), hulk, juggs, abom (probably), wild child?, etc etc.... it used to be a cool unique ability but now it's becoming the standard thing to have...... there must be a deal on at the superpower store "free healing ability with every super-power purchased"

as for wolverine surviving a nuclear explosion................ i never read that one but it sounds fu**ing dumb

i stick to my original idea of wolvy getting webbed up to something then getting his nose and mouth filled with webbing killing him with the minimum of effort........... and just for fun we'll have spidey rip out his organs during this suffocation period just to see, once and for all, if a whole organ will regenerate............. 😛

It's just good to know that everyone doesn't possess Spidey's agily and pre-cog, if that happened DC would have no chance of winning any other crossover ever again.

you know you people really have put far too much thought into this! If the writers think that DD wins then he wins. That means you cannot just rack up powers and stats and say it will happen because Spider-man has never beaten DD, Wolverine or Captain America. The end and I hope you people never bring this up again.

Originally posted by Cosmo Kramer
you know you people really have put far too much thought into this! If the writers think that DD wins then he wins. That means you cannot just rack up powers and stats and say it will happen because Spider-man has never beaten DD, Wolverine or Captain America. The end and I hope you people never bring this up again.

uh-oh................i'm bringing it up again............. as has been stated many times in many threads by many people.......... this isn't about what the people at marvel will allow into their mags, it's purely a forum fight to be discussed using the characters at their optimum abilities (without the aid of powers or abilities outwith their normal parameters)

if it bothers you so much then don't read it

Originally posted by StrawNilla
Yep. I'd pay to see Wolverine grow a heart after it's been snatched out.

actually in one story arc from wolverine some ancient french sorcerer guy pulls out and eats his eye....... it does regenerate but it took quite a few issues to fully grow back (six or more i think) so i doubt his heart or lungs could grow back in time to save him from spidey induced death

Originally posted by Cosmo Kramer
you know you people really have put far too much thought into this! If the writers think that DD wins then he wins. That means you cannot just rack up powers and stats and say it will happen because Spider-man has never beaten DD, Wolverine or Captain America. The end and I hope you people never bring this up again.

Maybe we should accept how DD flipped a limo despite being marked at 800 lbs. for a lifting limit.

Maybe we should accept Cap. using his fist as a wrecking ball despite having peak durability (debatable) and strength...again 800 lbs.

Maybe we should accept Wolvie making Thing fall to his knees with one punch despite having 800 lbs as a lifting limit.

Or, maybe we should take into play what these guys SHOULD ACTUALLY be able to do. Spidey could easily do pretty much everything he does in comics, when desperation calls for it, his will and endurance pushes him beyond said limits, it's about having heart.

Cap., DD, and Wolvie despite having their fair share of heart, will, and endurance, can't exceed their limits to the point where they can, within reason, do most of the things they do.

Blocking bullets with a billy club? Just because you can hear bullets coming better than most doesn't give you the reflexes to dodge it...having that ability doesn't mean you can predict it coming instances before they come.

Withstanding hits from Thor by standing behind a sheild? And he was lifted off his feet at all?

Come on now, I don't even have to explain just how beyond Cap's abilities that feat is. Walking away from a thermonuclear blast? Regeneratig organs that have been reduced to jelly? Okay, in both instances he would've been killed, most definitely. How could you just resuurect yourself instantly. There's no explanation....not from a logical standpoint.

Just because a writer said that DD could beat Spidey doesn't mean he could actually prove it without creating some technicality or coming up with something like DD's rage being enough to knock someone, with durability enough to shrug off full-on hits from Ock's tentacles, out. I need not tell you that the person who will himself to do such a thing is Spidey. If a writer said that Captain America could floor Spidey with one punch, what explanation could he have for it besides Cap. America doing it? How could a writer explain Wolverine beating Spidey when Wolvie's just that inconsistent with his showings besides saying he could heal from anything Spidey would try? I mean, it's not like he healed from DD kicking him across a room, he recovered, but he didn't just recoil to a standing point. Can you or any writer explain such inconsistency with a character or characters?

Originally posted by Scoobless
actually in one story arc from wolverine some ancient french sorcerer guy pulls out and eats his eye....... it does regenerate but it took quite a few issues to fully grow back (six or more i think) so i doubt his heart or lungs could grow back in time to save him from spidey induced death

I can see why this thread went on for so long...if someone doesn't realize such inconsistency, you couldn't tell 'em ALOT of things.

HAHAHAHAHAHA....oh man you are one funny matha ****a. lol. After all that and still you just reform with insults at me. as I said before, pathetic.
Without using the characacters' life experiences......THAN THEY AREN'T THE SAME F***ING CHARACTERS......it's.....that.....simple.
You have facts? please,,,,opinions hardly count as facts, and stats from the marvel handbook or whatever change on an annual basis.
You want a plausible scenario? okay.

Trio sends wolive in full bore spiderman dances around him a little, DD chucks his billy club, while spiderman's busy not trying to get tangled or gutted, Cap chucks his sheild beaming him in the back of the head (spider sense or no, Spidey's been taken suprise by less) sending spidey into a face full of claw.

That's it. Spiderman will not take this entire trio, if EVERYONE is fighting at their best. Like I said spidey has no defense for caps reason and logic appeal, spidey lets down his guard and he gets gutted.

You wanted to use comic examples before and now that I've given multiple "FACTS" about events that have actually taken place in the continuity of the MU, you want to say hey, lets not use the comics at all for these things, you know the books that are the reason why we're here debating now. Spiderman's gonna get his ever loving ass kicked get over it. It's not pride or whatever else you want to call it, go ahead and check to boards I'm not a fanboy I accept when a character can't beat someone period. But as far as "facts" go spidey ain't winning this one. sorry.