Originally posted by StrawNilla
I'm pitiful? This from the guy argues that the Juggernaut will get "tired" of trying to hit Cap and go home.My organ snatching theory is just that, a theory. It COULD happen...
You need to grow up and get your head...
And in your little setup (for the sake of board terms and logic, I'll call it a post) has only proven how much you think about Cap. "He's the one left standing BECAUSE of who he is?" THAT's pitiful.
I'll tell you why this fight is different Capt. JK ("Capt." JK pfft. People see this and yet I'm the "fanboy".) THIS fight is based on logic, not the opinion a writer has that Cap's honor and loyalty to his country is enough for him to stand alone and fight Thanos.
And my posts doesn't have logic straight out of the mind of a writer, or the "MU", do you wanna know why? Because the MU ISN'T REAL! How can you call Cap. survive having a building collapse on him (Captain America, the perfect HUMAN, not Captain Marvel) a REAL outcome to such a scenario? I'm a fanboy for rebuking this? 😕 You've got alot of nerve. That's no compliment by the way, in case you can't tell.
And I know you said Juggernaut would beat Cap (why say my so-called "Spidey infatuation" has spilled into other threads in a thread that didn't even mention Spidey?) you also said that Cap. could just keep dodging and dodging Juggernaut's attacks until Juggs got tired of trying to hit him and left. Did you not post those words "Cap."? I said that would only happen if Juggs had somewhere else to be, in fact, I think the first line of my post clearly read "If Juggernaut had somewhere else to be.....you're right." AFTER THAT I argued your post by saying that if he didn't have anywhere else to be he could fight for as long as it took before hitting Cap., especially if he was really focused on doing so. Seems pretty simple to me Cap., how about you?
There was so much garbage in this post I couldn't figure out where to roll up my pant-legs and begin. But here goes, anyway:
Point 1: Yeah, I said tired, as in "I'm 'tired' of listening to you spew the same crap post after post because you won't accept the inevitable outcome of Spider-Man's loss." Not that Juggernaut would be 'physically' tired. Seemed pretty simply stated to me. Maybe not simple enough?
Point 2: Your ridiculous organ snatching theory is just that - ridiculous.
Point 3: I picked Cap as my symbol on this board because we have to pick SOMETHING, and since it was a comic forum, I picked my favorite comic character. The fact that you identify more with a strung out Santa Claus and a semi-decent looking chick in her underwear is something for your therapist to work out for you, not me.
Point 4: Uhhh... Yeah. That is one of the MAJOR concepts of Captain America, and has been since his creation in 1941. Seems to me that his history is pretty well established enough that it shouldn't need any explanation. Unless you're slow or something.
Point 5: This entire thread (btw, is "pffft" supposed to be how you spell the 'sound of spitting'?) is based on the LOGIC of comic books. So taking ALL of these characters into account, and understanding that their STATS are just as much a part of their WRITTEN history as their STORIES are, it seems to me a fairly simple observation as to why Cap is the Last Man Standing, and why the trio would beat Spider-Man. I defy you to explain to me how the hell you can say "Spider-Man can do this", or "Spider-Man can do that" WITHOUT referring to their WRITTEN histories which YOU and a couple of other Spidey-Fanboys seem to want to totally disregard. It all goes hand in hand.
Point 6: There were normal, average 'Joe Citizens' who survived having an entire skyscraper fall on them on 9/11. Why is it such a stretch for you to grasp the concept of the ABSOLUTE PERFECT SPECIMEN of HUMANITY, complete with indestructible shield and advanced body armor surviving a far less harrowing event in the context of a comic book?
Point 7: I absolutely stated that (paraphrasing) Cap would just dodge Juggernaut until Juggs got bored and left, and I still state it. Cap is far more agile than Juggernaut, and a better strategist, and has a pretty damn good endurance level himself. So my point was he would realize he couldn't defeat him one-on-one and he would just wait him out and dodge his attacks until Juggernaut said "Screw it!" and left. Seemed pretty straight forward to me. And my referral to that post simply meant that you seem to argue against Cap for no other reason than to argue against Cap. You don't like the character so even when we agreed, you felt the need to pull up my icon and quote me just to argue some more over a moot point.
And THAT is pitiful. Spider-Man loses.
Seriously straw this id ridiculous dude.
Show backbone? just what the hell does that mean? me and you have different points in an argument, you support your's with theory (oh I'm sorry you call those "facts"😉 and I support mine with actual events. What does any of this have to do with my "backbone" you don't know me, and have no right to keep up these belittling and pathetic insults.
I've come to realize that these posts are getting to be very long and strewn out to the point where you me and cap are the only one's reading them, so I'll make this short, sweet and to the point. Spiderman, while he may have a chance in hell of taking this) isn't going to win. And that's that. Given the character's histories, we know that all three of the trio have beat on spidey or stalemated him on their own. Crap writing or not it happened, so get over it, if you don't want to take into account the lives of the characters you're debating simply because their life experiences don't match up with your fanboy dillusions, that's one thing but don't debate on here if that's what you want to do, because it's truley a waste of our time. With each character you have to take the bad with the good. I've now given every reason for why spiderman would get an ass-handing in this fight and I need not further explain myslef. Like I said as far a team trio goes, "we don't have any crediblity, all we have...is facts". Spiderman's losing this, he's lost to less hundreds of times. Just let it go.
Caps would get murdered by Juggernaut. Easily.
He isn't up to snub against a character of Jugg's caliber...that's why he is part of a team called the Avengers. Because even though you may have a hard time accepting it....sometimes even Captain America gets himself in situations that are more than he can handle.
Originally posted by jinzin
I've come to realize that these posts are getting to be very long and strewn out to the point where you me and cap are the only one's reading them,
well i'm reading them and it seems the only way you guys acknowledge or respond to a post is if you are directly insulted by it
Originally posted by jinzin
so I'll make this short, sweet and to the point. Spiderman, while he may have a chance in hell of taking this) isn't going to win. And that's that. Given the character's histories, we know that all three of the trio have beat on spidey or stalemated him on their own. Crap writing or not it happened, so get over it,
i've made a couple of posts recently about the fact that the writers and marvel have nothing to do with the outcome of this fight, the individual characters personality is pretty much excluded from it also as the post STILL states "any means necessary" which is what spidey almost never reverts to in the mags but is forced to here........ so killing is on the table, i don't want to go back to throwing around insults like we all did in this post weeks ago but when someone makes a solid argument it should at least be responded to rather than just focusing on who said who's in love with whom, or this guy or that guy is a fanboy
just because you don't throw the first punch doesn't mean you have to lower yourself to childish insults...... any real captain america fan would know that..... if someone is pissing you off just report him/her or ignore it........ here endeth the lesson.......... 😇
fair enough, My whole point was simply that it seems as though the spidey guys are taking into account the fact that spidey will be going all out but not the others. All out means every advantage is being used to the max, stragetic, physical, mental. etc etc. FOR BOTH SIDES. honestly, have you ever seen an instance where any of these guys went all out and just got flattened regardless, if you have I'm sure they're few and far between.
If all three of the trio can give spidey a good run for his money on their own I really don't understand the logic that spidey would beat all three of these guys at once. Even at his best, he'll bestacked up against their best. wolverine's neigh unstopable when he's going all out, spiderman couldn''t seriously touch Dd if he was using his senses all out, and considering captain america's strategic logic I just know that spidey's gonna get beamed with that sheild in the fight. Even at his best spidey is still suseptable to falling to the DBZ method of overwhelming numbers.
Originally posted by Scoobless
well i'm reading them and it seems the only way you guys acknowledge or respond to a post is if you are directly insulted by iti've made a couple of posts recently about the fact that the writers and marvel have nothing to do with the outcome of this fight, the individual characters personality is pretty much excluded from it also as the post STILL states "any means necessary" which is what spidey almost never reverts to in the mags but is forced to here........ so killing is on the table, i don't want to go back to throwing around insults like we all did in this post weeks ago but when someone makes a solid argument it should at least be responded to rather than just focusing on who said who's in love with whom, or this guy or that guy is a fanboy...
We have all acted childish on here a few times. Appreciate you keeping it on topic as you have. But I thought I did respond to your post (although maybe not DIRECTLY). I said that you HAVE to take into account the characters' histories as they have been written, because that IS the character you're talking about. These aren't just a bunch of stats on a piece of paper, where mathematical equations can be computed to calculate the odds of which character would win a certain number of times. These are characters who are all rich with history and story that DEFINES who they are and how they will act, even in an all-out knuckleduster to the death. Spider-Man doesn't run around snatching out organs. Period. He doesn't fight that way. If you want to use that type of logic, and if the heroes can use ALL of the normal powers at their command, even though it kind of goes against the concept of the character or the point of the thread, then Cap just steps back and calls in a S.H.I.E.L.D. Helicarrier strike on Spidey's position. End of discussion. End of the fight. End of Spider-Man. But that goes against the CONCEPT of Captain America. He wouldn't fight Spidey that way. So I didn't suggest it.
You have to leave the fight within the historical references, context and concept of the CHARACTER. And in doing that, Spider-Man loses. Period.
"Spider-Man doesn't run around snatching out organs. Period. He doesn't fight that way. If you want to use that type of logic, and if the heroes can use ALL of the normal powers at their command, even though it kind of goes against the concept of the character or the point of the thread, then Cap just steps back and calls in a S.H.I.E.L.D. Helicarrier strike on Spidey's position. End of discussion. End of the fight. End of Spider-Man."
lol.
"You have to leave the fight within the historical references, context and concept of the CHARACTER. And in doing that, Spider-Man loses. Period"
seriously that's what I've been trying to say forever now (though i didn't quite articulate it as well as you), i'm glad to see someone else around here that understand that.
ok, a response.........what do i do now?..........it's been so long........lol
ok, the shield scenario can't come into it anyway (i know it was just an example) but it is just between the four of them......... not them and all their buddies
as for historical context and fighting styles..........well............ the whole any means necessary means that this fight is already beyond any of spider-man's past fights and he will do things he has never done before so the only limit's we can put on him are the capabilities his powers give him...... can't just say, he never kills so he can't kill here....... it's pretty much understood that it's a fight to the death so i have to believe he'd do anything possible......... whether or not he "snatches out organs" would depend entirely upon the openings he was presented with moment to moment
Originally posted by jinzin
spiderman couldn''t seriously touch Dd if he was using his senses all out
Ever read the crossover where a hypnotized, slow fighting and spider-sense ignoring Spider-Man was beating the crap out of DD ? Spider-Man was just too strong.
yes and i've also read the crossover where spidey couldn't lay a hand on dd. but are you reffering to amazing spidey #10 or 12 or whatever, it was an early one? if so, I'll have to go back and read that, I don't remember Dd losing horribly, not that he ws kicking spidey's ass either but still.
and scoobles do you honestly think spiderman has the testicular fortitude to kill, much less kill an ally, a best friend, and a childhood idol? he won't unless he's possessed. and this fight doesn't say to the death as far as i know. Cap callin in an air strike is "by any means nesassary" according to team spidey logic.