Spiderman vs. Captain America/Daredevil/Wolverine

Originally posted by Capt.JK
There was so much garbage in this post I couldn't figure out where to roll up my pant-legs and begin. But here goes, anyway:

Point 1: Yeah, I said tired, as in "I'm 'tired' of listening to you spew the same crap post after post because you won't accept the inevitable outcome of Spider-Man's loss." Not that Juggernaut would be 'physically' tired. Seemed pretty simply stated to me. Maybe not simple enough?

Point 2: Your ridiculous organ snatching theory is just that - ridiculous.

Point 3: I picked Cap as my symbol on this board because we have to pick SOMETHING, and since it was a comic forum, I picked my favorite comic character. The fact that you identify more with a strung out Santa Claus and a semi-decent looking chick in her underwear is something for your therapist to work out for you, not me.

Point 4: Uhhh... Yeah. That is one of the MAJOR concepts of Captain America, and has been since his creation in 1941. Seems to me that his history is pretty well established enough that it shouldn't need any explanation. Unless you're slow or something.

Point 5: This entire thread (btw, is "pffft" supposed to be how you spell the 'sound of spitting'?) is based on the LOGIC of comic books. So taking ALL of these characters into account, and understanding that their STATS are just as much a part of their WRITTEN history as their STORIES are, it seems to me a fairly simple observation as to why Cap is the Last Man Standing, and why the trio would beat Spider-Man. I defy you to explain to me how the hell you can say "Spider-Man can do this", or "Spider-Man can do that" WITHOUT referring to their WRITTEN histories which YOU and a couple of other Spidey-Fanboys seem to want to totally disregard. It all goes hand in hand.

Point 6: There were normal, average 'Joe Citizens' who survived having an entire skyscraper fall on them on 9/11. Why is it such a stretch for you to grasp the concept of the ABSOLUTE PERFECT SPECIMEN of HUMANITY, complete with indestructible shield and advanced body armor surviving a far less harrowing event in the context of a comic book?

Point 7: I absolutely stated that (paraphrasing) Cap would just dodge Juggernaut until Juggs got bored and left, and I still state it. Cap is far more agile than Juggernaut, and a better strategist, and has a pretty damn good endurance level himself. So my point was he would realize he couldn't defeat him one-on-one and he would just wait him out and dodge his attacks until Juggernaut said "Screw it!" and left. Seemed pretty straight forward to me. And my referral to that post simply meant that you seem to argue against Cap for no other reason than to argue against Cap. You don't like the character so even when we agreed, you felt the need to pull up my icon and quote me just to argue some more over a moot point.

And THAT is pitiful. Spider-Man loses.

And you never said anything about being tired of my spueing "crap" in that other thread. Nor do I care if you did, I did not post here for you, are we clear on that? There's nothing inevitable about a loss for Spidey, for that to happen one must be on their level or lower. And Spidey being on their level physically? The guy who used armored cars for weopons? Yeah, that sounds right. (saracam overload)

And your retort to my organ snatching THEORY (it COULD happen, THAT DOESN'T MEAN it would), calling it "ridicoulous" (and in turn not providin any lgical proof that it couldn't happen)....really professional, why the top scholars and philospophers of the world today aren't banging down your door I'll never know. 🙄

And at least my signature is one of a WOMAN, not a guy in tights slinging a shield. I never said I "identified" with her or Santa Claus. I thought they were funny, the fact that you don't have a sense of humor (or at least a good one that makes others more than yourself and your mom laugh) doesn't hender me. I think you're the one who needs help if you "identify" with a comic book character.

And you seem to think that Cap. is the only comic book character with real meaning. I mean you did describe him as the "ABSOLUTE PERFECT SPECIMEN OF HUMANITY"....after all. Even when pitted against someone WAAAYYY out of his league in terms of power in general, it's that simple "fact" that will help him prevail. "It's who he is!" You say? Sure, whatever gets you to sleep at night.

And btw "pfft" to me indicated that your post (in my opinion) was just enough to spit at. The thread is not the "logic" of comic books. SOME references if not most references or excerpts from comics are very good examples when within reason, but when it gets too ridiculous (Cap using his hand as a wrecking ball) it can't be classified as logic. This thread was created to see who would win in a fight when Spidey is facing off with Wolvie, DD, and Cap. But nothing in the thread ever said that they would get some special power boost to the point where the opposed to Spidey can actually DO half (make that three fourths to eight tenths) of the ridiculous feats they pull off.

And why would you pull 9/11 into this! In case you didn't know, there were fleets of cops and fire fighters there to help pull them out. I'm not knocking that in the least, it's good that they got help before it was too late. But Captain America did not have help, you think that Cap. could even hold up a collapsing building under a shield?! It would take someone with high, high, high-end SUPERHUMAN strength to accomplish such a feat, at most he could BRACE a room's worth, and that's if he was on one knee. Once it REALLY started piling up, there's no way he could have actually stood up with all of it, he would've been buried.

Nothing in your post has proven Cap. winning this, nor has any from your other posts. Spidey's smart enough to know the speed, strength, agility, perception, and durability advantage he has over Cap, he's not going to stand there while Cap. reads some speech he made about how he patriotic he is and how the spirit of America will allow him to prevail. Not to be "unpatriotic", but Spidey has too many keys to victory at the start of the battle to the very last man standing opposite him to just "take" slow attacks from the red, white, and blue Avenger (yes, they are slow compared to the moves Spidey can execute and would execute.) I have no desire to hear your overrated comic book examples, SHOW ME PROOF! Something logical! Not "Cap's the ABSOLUTE PERFECT SPECIMEN OF HUMANITY!" In case you haven't noticed "Capt." JK, Spidey's abilities strectch far beyond what anyone confined to the regions of humanity could accomplish.

Originally posted by jinzin
Seriously straw this id ridiculous dude.
Show backbone? just what the hell does that mean? me and you have different points in an argument, you support your's with theory (oh I'm sorry you call those "facts"😉 and I support mine with actual events. What does any of this have to do with my "backbone" you don't know me, and have no right to keep up these belittling and pathetic insults.
I've come to realize that these posts are getting to be very long and strewn out to the point where you me and cap are the only one's reading them, so I'll make this short, sweet and to the point. Spiderman, while he may have a chance in hell of taking this) isn't going to win. And that's that. Given the character's histories, we know that all three of the trio have beat on spidey or stalemated him on their own. Crap writing or not it happened, so get over it, if you don't want to take into account the lives of the characters you're debating simply because their life experiences don't match up with your fanboy dillusions, that's one thing but don't debate on here if that's what you want to do, because it's truley a waste of our time. With each character you have to take the bad with the good. I've now given every reason for why spiderman would get an ass-handing in this fight and I need not further explain myslef. Like I said as far a team trio goes, "we don't have any crediblity, all we have...is facts". Spiderman's losing this, he's lost to less hundreds of times. Just let it go.

You know what I mean by "grow a backbone." I mean you need to stop sucking up to Capt. JK. I know you REEEALLY believe in what he's talking about here, but I don't, nor will I call it fact.

You can't just face facts though, no, you just had to keep insulting my arguments and, on occasion, me. You haven't proven anything to me. And the fact that you would lie and say so, calling theories that have developed among Spidey supporters that Spidey could most definitely execute through abilities far superior to those opposed "garbage" and even going so far as to make up stuff just to make me look bad. I don't care what you think of me, jinzin, I believe I have made that quite clear. But when you try and jumble my words, take excerpts from other posts and fit them with posts that came well before it, and simply shrug off my arguments with "that's garbage" and "the trio will win" that's just, hypocritical. You've even stated that "crap writing or not it happened" you're digging yourself into a pit from which you cannot crawl out of.

I mean, that statement alone proves that you KNOW it isn't fact, how can you then claim that "the trio supporters don't have credibility....just facts." THAT'S garbage. I know you're read my posts jinzin, I also know that you're answers have been very skittish, now I see why. It's a confession. This fight isn't about what happened in a comic, if it was then it would be an absolute non-fight. I KNOW you know better jinzin, you just rebuke it because of the fan-fare Cap. has on his belt, or perhaps you really do think that Venom could beat Superman, or that Punisher (a guy who carries guns around with him EVERYWHERE, an easy-to-see hazard even without a spider sense) could actually put up a good fight with Spidey. You may even believe that DD could escape a fight with the Hulk with his life (but still ending up in critical condition). Don't give me that crap saying: "Why not? Spidey escaped with HIS life." You and I both know how it works with these two.....

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When compared to Spidey, DD is WAAAYY down here in the field of physicality.

You couldn't tell me that's crap and expect me to believe me it. My arguments fanboy dillusions huh? I don't want to take into play a character's history huh? Again: "crap writing or not it happened," I refuse to take you calling me a fanboy after you said THAT.

Why take into account a character's history when after being pitted up against someone well under his or her league, they're beaten or stalemated due to the sheer fact that seeing a four panel fight (and that's depending on mood) would be boring? I might just look closer at your post just to conceal my belief that you would actually call me a fanboy after all of that.

I won't get over anything that isn't true jinzin, especially when based on your OBVIOUS fanboyism.

Originally posted by Capt.JK
We have all acted childish on here a few times. Appreciate you keeping it on topic as you have. But I thought I did respond to your post (although maybe not DIRECTLY). I said that you HAVE to take into account the characters' histories as they have been written, because that IS the character you're talking about. These aren't just a bunch of stats on a piece of paper, where mathematical equations can be computed to calculate the odds of which character would win a certain number of times. These are characters who are all rich with history and story that DEFINES who they are and how they will act, even in an all-out knuckleduster to the death. Spider-Man doesn't run around snatching out organs. Period. He doesn't fight that way. If you want to use that type of logic, and if the heroes can use ALL of the normal powers at their command, even though it kind of goes against the concept of the character or the point of the thread, then Cap just steps back and calls in a S.H.I.E.L.D. Helicarrier strike on Spidey's position. End of discussion. End of the fight. End of Spider-Man. But that goes against the CONCEPT of Captain America. He wouldn't fight Spidey that way. So I didn't suggest it.

You have to leave the fight within the historical references, context and concept of the CHARACTER. And in doing that, Spider-Man loses. Period.

You act as though facts don't matter. Sure, Cap floored Spidey in comics, and Batman beat Superman by tricking him into charging into a kryptonite cave, in comics. Your point?

I mean, does reason not appeal to you? Spidey obviously outclasses Cap. in every physical aspect, and he's shown that he candeliver a speedblitz to an opponent MUCH faster than that opponent can react. What makes Cap's case so different? I mean, the opponent Spidey was facing that I'm referring to IS Iron Man 2020, after all. Who's Cap compared to him? I'm sorry, I just think it's safe to say that Iron Man 2020 is in a completely different, more powerful class than the class Cap. takes claim to be part of.

You have to take into effect a charcter's abilties and what they can do with them under normal as well as stressful situations, in which Spidey completely outclasses those opposed. It's not like Spidey will be fighting dumb, and it's not like he couldn't speedblitz the trio into the dust or snap their necks one-by-one in a matter of maybe three to four seconds. These scenarios for a Spidey victory as well as others turns this fight easily in Spidey's favor.

'Strawnilla', you just posted an entire page of nothing. Whatever.

Let's try this again. I am STILL waiting for you to post a single scenario where you can tell us how Spider-Man can defeat these 3 heroes WITHOUT drawing from their histories as a reference. It defines who they are and how they react in a battle. Wait, let me do it for you... YOU CAN'T!!!

And while we're discussing Cap again, let me ask you ANOTHER question: show me ONE reference from the comics where Captain America gives a speech during a fight, rather than attacking the enemy. I hear this crap a lot from fanboys who are NOT Cap fans, and it ultimately stems from a sincere IGNORANCE of the character. So, either you have a reference, or you're just being IGNORANT. Which is it?

Quite frankly, I'm absolutely positive it's the latter, but I'll let it go. (Or maybe you're just unpatriotic or something. You seem to have this deep-seated desire to put Captain AMERICA down just because the character stands for something.) Anyway, the point is this: Spider-Man can NOT beat these 3 heroes. Okay, so he goes all out. So do they. How is Spider-Man supposed to fight a psycho, claw swinging attack from Wolverine who has his blood lust up. How is Spider-Man supposed to come at an opponent who can hear a roach fart from 6 blocks away? How is Spider-Man supposed to out-think and outstrategize a means of defeating these 3, when they are being lead by the one man in the MU who has lead practically EVERYBODY to victory, no matter what the odds? The answer is he can't, he can't, he can't, he loses.

You sit there and say "You have to take into effect a character's abilities and what they can do with them...", yet you can ONLY do this if you take into account their HISTORIES, which is the ONLY way you know who in the hell these guys are in the first place! And within their HISTORIES, Spider-Man has been beaten, whipped on or stalemated by all 3 of these guys in a one-on-one situation. How can you think they won't collectively kick his rear end? That makes ZERO sense.

And one MORE thing that a LOT of you seem to misunderstand. Writers don't get the final say over a damn thing. I AM a writer. The EDITORS and PUBLISHERS have final say. And in the MU, that now includes one of the CREATORS of Spider-Man, Stan "The Man" Lee. If you don't like the fact that ALL of these guys have hurt Spidey in one way or another on their own, too bad. I'm pretty sure the man who created him knows his creation's limitations.

Also, you keep referring to a post I posted earlier about the building coming down around Cap, etc., etc. Would you PLEASE just admit that you have NOT read the book I am referring to? It is painfully obvious to me, as I own the book and you clearly have NO IDEA what happened in the story. Of course, this is perfectly okay with me. Since it wasn't a Spidey comic, I wouldn't have expected you to have read it anyway.

And lastly, a reference was made earlier from the Spidey side of the aisle about the book in which Wolverine gets webbed up in an alley with his hands facing his skull. True. Now tell what happened at the END of the book, when Spidey just about peed his costume when an extremely displeased Wolverine came in and found him after he had cut himself free. While we're on THAT subject, could one of you tell me where in the hell you got the idea that Wolverine's claws or the edge of Cap's shield couldn't cut through Spider-Man's webline? It has the tensil strength of steel. Wolverine's claws can slice steel like hot butter. Cap has dismembered an enemy's head with a single chop. Spider-Man's webs are NOT a threat these guys can't handle.

And one final point: My mother is dead *******. Don't speak about her.

Let's me just sum up all the points of Trio supporter's as to why they believe Cap/Wolvie/DD will win...

Even though SM has superhuman strength, speed, agility, pre cog ability, reflexes, endurance and stamina...he's a civilian..so he's no match for humans who have been trained in the martial arts....

The Trio are icons....

Cap broke the Hulk's hold...

Wolverine once took on a bunch of pirates and defeated them all...(Yar..Har..me mateys..)

Cap landed a punch with at peak human speed that was to fast for someone with superhuman speed/pre cog to handle..

Cap is the pinnacle of human perfection...

Cap defeated the Nazi's....

DD defeated a "hypnotized" SM who wasn't able to fight at his best...

DD beat Sabretooth once....

Cap has a shield that he can sling at 200 mph...

Cap beat the scorpion....

Wolverine is the "best at what he does"

Cap "Always finds a way" and can't loose because he's not written that way...

Please correct me if I've left anything out...lol...

After 54 pages of hearing these same damb arguments...I'm just going to have to "deal with it" and admit SM'S defeat.....there's no way to argue with such keen logic...and piercing arguments... 🙄 😆 😆

We've been through a lot in this debate fellas..fighting, backbiting, insults, physical threats, homoerotic love...lol...damb this thread has seen it, done it, and experienced it all...

Peace be unto you my brothers..this has been a fun debate...time to smoke some herb 😮‍💨

big spider-man supporter sure he is amazing but he couldnt take them all!

Originally posted by Capt.JK
'Strawnilla', you just posted an entire page of nothing. Whatever.

Let's try this again. I am STILL waiting for you to post a single scenario where you can tell us how Spider-Man can defeat these 3 heroes WITHOUT drawing from their histories as a reference. It defines who they are and how they react in a battle. Wait, let me do it for you... YOU CAN'T!!!

And while we're discussing Cap again, let me ask you ANOTHER question: show me ONE reference from the comics where Captain America gives a speech during a fight, rather than attacking the enemy. I hear this crap a lot from fanboys who are NOT Cap fans, and it ultimately stems from a sincere IGNORANCE of the character. So, either you have a reference, or you're just being IGNORANT. Which is it?

Quite frankly, I'm absolutely positive it's the latter, but I'll let it go. (Or maybe you're just unpatriotic or something. You seem to have this deep-seated desire to put Captain AMERICA down just because the character stands for something.) Anyway, the point is this: Spider-Man can NOT beat these 3 heroes. Okay, so he goes all out. So do they. How is Spider-Man supposed to fight a psycho, claw swinging attack from Wolverine who has his blood lust up. How is Spider-Man supposed to come at an opponent who can hear a roach fart from 6 blocks away? How is Spider-Man supposed to out-think and outstrategize a means of defeating these 3, when they are being lead by the one man in the MU who has lead practically EVERYBODY to victory, no matter what the odds? The answer is he can't, he can't, he can't, he loses.

You sit there and say "You have to take into effect a character's abilities and what they can do with them...", yet you can ONLY do this if you take into account their HISTORIES, which is the ONLY way you know who in the hell these guys are in the first place! And within their HISTORIES, Spider-Man has been beaten, whipped on or stalemated by all 3 of these guys in a one-on-one situation. How can you think they won't collectively kick his rear end? That makes ZERO sense.

And one MORE thing that a LOT of you seem to misunderstand. Writers don't get the final say over a damn thing. I AM a writer. The EDITORS and PUBLISHERS have final say. And in the MU, that now includes one of the CREATORS of Spider-Man, Stan "The Man" Lee. If you don't like the fact that ALL of these guys have hurt Spidey in one way or another on their own, too bad. I'm pretty sure the man who created him knows his creation's limitations.

Also, you keep referring to a post I posted earlier about the building coming down around Cap, etc., etc. Would you PLEASE just admit that you have NOT read the book I am referring to? It is painfully obvious to me, as I own the book and you clearly have NO IDEA what happened in the story. Of course, this is perfectly okay with me. Since it wasn't a Spidey comic, I wouldn't have expected you to have read it anyway.

And lastly, a reference was made earlier from the Spidey side of the aisle about the book in which Wolverine gets webbed up in an alley with his hands facing his skull. True. Now tell what happened at the END of the book, when Spidey just about peed his costume when an extremely displeased Wolverine came in and found him after he had cut himself free. While we're on THAT subject, could one of you tell me where in the hell you got the idea that Wolverine's claws or the edge of Cap's shield couldn't cut through Spider-Man's webline? It has the tensil strength of steel. Wolverine's claws can slice steel like hot butter. Cap has dismembered an enemy's head with a single chop. Spider-Man's webs are NOT a threat these guys can't handle.

And one final point: My mother is dead *******. Don't speak about her.

I've made PLENTY of scenarios in which Spidey could win without drawing from ANY "past histories!" I haven't provided ANY examples you say? Like....

-Speedblitz at staring bell, ultimately taking out DD and Cap. respectively before they can react, eliminating the weakest links of thje chain. Rinses and repeats with Wolvie, either turning his organs into a bloody gelationous mess or KO'ing him...it varies.
-Bob and weave method, ultimately taking out Wolvie with a KO while not getting harmed. Same with DD and Cap. (granted he uses more aerial attacks with these two, to get around the sheild and eliminate the small factor of DD's own agility).
-The KO blitz! (Primarily for Wolvie) we all know that Wolvie couldn't heal from a concussion, Spidey blitzes him faster than he can react, takes him out clean with a punch to the skull (at the expense of a broken hand).
-The one punch finisher (primarily for the kill with DD and Cap) and an instant KO for the Clawed Canuck.
-Or (this is a new one) the throat chop. Spidey overwhelms each opponent with a collaboration of contortions and speed before delivering a single crushing throatchop to each and every one of 'em. "No adamantium there, bub." And now, the same goes for oxygen.
-Or (another new one) the web 'n' choke. Spidey immobilizes the lot of them and strangles them one-by-one...to their deaths of course.
-I've decided to drop the organ snatching theory since apparently it's so "controversial."

(Theories of others)

-Web 'em up, sling 'em round, slam 'em to the core! The force of the slam would have to be great, however, to prove futile. This shouldn't be a factor, however, since he would not be holding back.
-Web clogging (for Wolvie primarily). Spidey fills Wolvie's nostrils and mouth with webbing, suffocating him to death.
-The one punch finisher. It kills DD and Cap., and KOs Wolvie.
-Wed yank and throw. Spidey latches onto each and every one of them and hurls them a long way off. Victory via ring out.

If this does not convince you, then that's just you.

And the speech thing was a joke. You know, hahaha! Anyway, you make it sound as though Spidey will wait for Cap. to hurl his sield, or hit him period. Remember, even when holding back Spidey is always moving, it's ABSOLUTELY required that for anyone who aspires to hit Spidey on the move (especially at his best) that he be faster than Spidey. Or, in the case that Spidey in which wants to end it with a KO before anyone (including his opponent) gets hurt, you instantly go for a blitz attack, it's mandatory. And it's close to never guaranteed that you're liable to hit him with an ambush. But of course, this all goes back to my earlier statement about your sense of humor.

And desperation does not become you, seriously, I'm unpatriotic for making a joke? In case you haven't noticed, Captain America is owned by MARVEL, a comic book corporation. Which would make Captain America a character from a comic book, (it's either that or MARVEL has something to hide, something BIG) not a real person.

And my point is that Spidey, having almost EVERY physical aspect in superiority over them. For the last time, DD does not have pre cog, he'll be blown away with a speedblitz before his senses could possibly prepare him from a full frontal, all-out bloodlusted force. He can't counter it physically, that's pretty obvious. So the only option he would theoretically haveis to hold his arms up and pray to stay alive.

Spidey doesn't have to avoid the attack from Wolvie if he's already moving WAAAYYY faster than he is. That's common sense. Add that in with the other advantages he has over Wolvie when hoding the trunk card (first to attack) and the outcome is simple: Wolvie's knocked out with nothing to show for it than the concussion in itself.

And Spidey wouldn't have to outhink Cap. when directing a speedblitz in his path, becuase in the moments that pass before Spidey confronts Cap. he'll still be in the process of thinking, by the time his strategy has been devised (IF he somehow finds the time) Spidey would have already been there to pummel him bloody before Cap. could even compose himself much less utilize his strategy.

And no, you don't have into account everything from a charcter's past to form out their abilities. Of course, you would like that if it were so. You have their abilities listed on numerous webpage statistics and handbook guides to start with. After taking the LOGICAL and dismissing the non-logical into account, then you can see how their powers have developed. Cap's powers have devleoped to the point where he could support a collapsing building much less survive one falling on him, he starts at peak level, it's a vital impossibility for a human in general to build their commonplace abilties to that of such a high superhuman calibur. Braking the Hulk's grasp? A 100 tonner at base level? Yesh, sure.

Wolvie walking away from a thermonuclear blast? Illogical. The entire concept of his healing factor is inconsistent and illogical. He struggles to heal a damaged eye and yet he walks away from a thermonuclear blast? That was for profit, it wasn't, isn't, and will not be credible.

DD tracking and catching up with the FF's jet? First of all since sound is in an area to which he is sensitive, just getting close to the scene of a jet taking off should've stunned him for quite a long time. Leaving him little time to even catch the jet's frame in the sky at a glance much less catch up with it. Illogical.

Spidey has shown indications of a strength upgrade, without it, under stressful conditions he has been known to exceed the ten ton mark. With the uprgrade it only makes the task easier. Did he not comment on how he has become more muscular? Before this he had speedblitzed IM 2020 to a point of desperation to leave...and that was when he was in a stressful state.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
Let's me just sum up all the points of Trio supporter's as to why they believe Cap/Wolvie/DD will win...

Now please allow me to do the same for the Spidey side...

"Could too! He's got webs and stuff!"

There. That about summed it up.

"I think you're the one who needs help if you "identify" with a comic book character."

wow now, you've just managed to insult well over half the posters on this board.

"Nothing in your post has proven Cap. winning this, nor has any from your other posts. "

well now that's just absurdly wrong.

"Jinzin, you're in denial. Don't try to act all nice and respectful now, please. Honestly, you talk like I've got some problem for stating facts! What is this world coming to when facts of what a character can ACTUALLY DO aren't welcome and are attacked?! "

Facts?!?!?! do you even understand what facts are? Half of your argument has been insults and your stupid (STUPID) organ snatching theories. Opinions and insults are hardly facts. and if i was showing anyone respect it was scoobless not you, you dilusional mo. Frankley you haven't earned my respect so don't flatter yourself.

"You know what I mean by "grow a backbone." I mean you need to stop sucking up to Capt. JK. I know you REEEALLY believe in what he's talking about here, but I don't, nor will I call it fact. "

Just cause we happen to agree on some issues, I would hardly call that sucking up. You need to shut the hell up.

"You can't just face facts though, no, you just had to keep insulting my arguments and, on occasion, me."

Oh please you're the one who started lashing out with insults, on top ofthat you're insults have been more abundant and offensive.
"garbage"
Ummm I've never said anything that team spidey said was garbage? don't you ever get tired of being wrong, or are you addicted to humilation? I have proved every statement I've made with the exception of theory scenarios. But I have proved that all three of these characters have beaten/stalemated/humiliated spidey before, I don't know what else to do for you short of posting up the entire fights just to get it into your thick skull. Something that has happened,,,,that's what we call facts.

"even going so far as to make up stuff just to make me look bad."

When the hell did I ever do this? are you on crack or somthing, cause you seem to be the one making **** up.

"that's garbage"

I never said that......prove that I did, give me one post,,,,,any one,,,,,,even if it isn't in this thread. you're wrong.

"that's just, hypocritical"
in what way?

"I mean, that statement alone proves that you KNOW it isn't fact,"

....the hell? if something HAS HAPPENED it's a fact. I just dropped a nickle,,,,,it's a fact that i just dropped a nickle. seriously what in you're diluted little brain does a fact comprise of?

"you really do think that Venom could beat Superman,"
ummm he has. lol.
"or that Punisher (a guy who carries guns around with him EVERYWHERE, an easy-to-see hazard even without a spider sense) could actually put up a good fight with Spidey."
ummmm he has too. hahahahhahaha you're too ridiculous for words to describe! hahahahahahaha oh man!

"especially when based on your OBVIOUS fanboyism."

yep I've shown sooooooo much fanboyism on these boards,,,,oh wait let me think.....NO I HAVEN'T give me one character where I've stated he would win every time regardless of circumstances......i can think of one,,,,maybe,,,,and he's not even in this fight, so my obvious fanboyism, is laughable as it doesn't actually apply to this thread.

"After 54 pages of hearing these same damb arguments...I'm just going to have to "deal with it" and admit SM'S defeat.....there's no way to argue with such keen logic...and piercing arguments"

excellent I knew someone would see the light! lol

Okay, here are some undeniable facts for the non-believers:

1. Spider-Man can knock out DD and Captain America with only one punch. Fact.

2. Spider-Man can not be touched by DD, Captain America and Wolverine. Granted, the Icon Trio is fast, but nowhere as fast as Spider-Man. And together with his spider-sense, that in a normal situation works perfectly by the way, he’s almost impossible to touch. Fact number 2.

3. Even if DD and Captain America manage to land a punch, Spider-Man can take them without much effort. He has taken harder punches and kept coming for more. Fact.

4. Since Spider-Man can knock out DD and Captain America with one punch, that only leaves Wolverine to deal with. Wolverine can not deal with web in his eyes, or in his mouth. Wolverine ONLY stands a chance when Spider-Man is dumb enough to fight him close combat-style. But Wolverine is the crappiest long-range fighter ever. Spider-Man isn’t...Fact.

5. Spider-Man will probably fight like he always fights, when outnumbered : he controls the fight from above. He can just crawl up a wall and web up the Icon Trio. Or throw some cars to them. He can avoid the shield and the billy club all day long if he wants to. Fact.

And for the last time, the Trio has a good chance of defeating him, but only with some preptime and when they work together smoothly. NOT when they just ran into each other. Spider-Man is too unpredictable, too fast and too strong.

Originally posted by LordFear
Linkalicious my rebuttal to you is does the fight solely hinge upon who can benchpress cars? Can u seriously tell me what Parker's strategy gonna be in defeating Logan? Please indulge me on this one !!!!

pin him under a car.

Originally posted by Capt.JK
And lastly, a reference was made earlier from the Spidey side of the aisle about the book in which Wolverine gets webbed up in an alley with his hands facing his skull. True. Now tell what happened at the END of the book, when Spidey just about peed his costume when an extremely displeased Wolverine came in and found him after he had cut himself free. While we're on THAT subject, could one of you tell me where in the hell you got the idea that Wolverine's claws or the edge of Cap's shield couldn't cut through Spider-Man's webline? It has the tensil strength of steel. Wolverine's claws can slice steel like hot butter. Cap has dismembered an enemy's head with a single chop. Spider-Man's webs are NOT a threat these guys can't handle.

we all know wolverine can cut through spider-man's web but only if he can move his arms through the necessary motion to do so, when sufficiently webbed up he can't break free...... and neither can Cap or DD

i haven't read that book where wolvy get's his hands webbed to his head.... does sound like a good strategy though but whether or not he got free and came back for more at the end doesn't matter, in THIS fight he wouldn't be given the time to free himself, he'd be re-webbed if needed and suffocated

Originally posted by Capt.JK
Now please allow me to do the same for the Spidey side...

"Could too! He's got webs and stuff!"

There. That about summed it up.

are you serious? i know things have gotten a little aggressive and childish in this thread often but are you actively trying to provoke more of the same?

LordFear:

"Linkalicious my rebuttal to you is does the fight solely hinge upon who can benchpress cars? Can u seriously tell me what Parker's strategy gonna be in defeating Logan? Please indulge me on this one !!!!"

Linkalicious:

"pin him under a car."

😄 lol, question asked and answered

Originally posted by jinzin
"I think you're the one who needs help if you "identify" with a comic book character."

wow now, you've just managed to insult well over half the posters on this board.

"Nothing in your post has proven Cap. winning this, nor has any from your other posts. "

well now that's just absurdly wrong.

"Jinzin, you're in denial. Don't try to act all nice and respectful now, please. Honestly, you talk like I've got some problem for stating facts! What is this world coming to when facts of what a character can ACTUALLY DO aren't welcome and are attacked?! "

Facts?!?!?! do you even understand what facts are? Half of your argument has been insults and your stupid (STUPID) organ snatching theories. Opinions and insults are hardly facts. and if i was showing anyone respect it was scoobless not you, you dilusional mo. Frankley you haven't earned my respect so don't flatter yourself.

"You know what I mean by "grow a backbone." I mean you need to stop sucking up to Capt. JK. I know you REEEALLY believe in what he's talking about here, but I don't, nor will I call it fact. "

Just cause we happen to agree on some issues, I would hardly call that sucking up. You need to shut the hell up.

"You can't just face facts though, no, you just had to keep insulting my arguments and, on occasion, me."

Oh please you're the one who started lashing out with insults, on top ofthat you're insults have been more abundant and offensive.
"garbage"
Ummm I've never said anything that team spidey said was garbage? don't you ever get tired of being wrong, or are you addicted to humilation? I have proved every statement I've made with the exception of theory scenarios. But I have proved that all three of these characters have beaten/stalemated/humiliated spidey before, I don't know what else to do for you short of posting up the entire fights just to get it into your thick skull. Something that has happened,,,,that's what we call facts.

"even going so far as to make up stuff just to make me look bad."

When the hell did I ever do this? are you on crack or somthing, cause you seem to be the one making **** up.

"that's garbage"

I never said that......prove that I did, give me one post,,,,,any one,,,,,,even if it isn't in this thread. you're wrong.

"that's just, hypocritical"
in what way?

"I mean, that statement alone proves that you KNOW it isn't fact,"

....the hell? if something HAS HAPPENED it's a fact. I just dropped a nickle,,,,,it's a fact that i just dropped a nickle. seriously what in you're diluted little brain does a fact comprise of?

"you really do think that Venom could beat Superman,"
ummm he has. lol.
"or that Punisher (a guy who carries guns around with him EVERYWHERE, an easy-to-see hazard even without a spider sense) could actually put up a good fight with Spidey."
ummmm he has too. hahahahhahaha you're too ridiculous for words to describe! hahahahahahaha oh man!

"especially when based on your OBVIOUS fanboyism."

yep I've shown sooooooo much fanboyism on these boards,,,,oh wait let me think.....NO I HAVEN'T give me one character where I've stated he would win every time regardless of circumstances......i can think of one,,,,maybe,,,,and he's not even in this fight, so my obvious fanboyism, is laughable as it doesn't actually apply to this thread.

"After 54 pages of hearing these same damb arguments...I'm just going to have to "deal with it" and admit SM'S defeat.....there's no way to argue with such keen logic...and piercing arguments"

excellent I knew someone would see the light! lol

And how is my stating "nothing in your posts Cap. winning this, nor has any from your other posts" absurdly wrong when you REALLY haven't.

And in the time you spent attempting to belitter my posts and call half of my arguments "insults", I noticed you haven't mentioned the speedblitz attack Spidey could most definitely deliver to ANY of the opponents on the field? And how are you going to call my organ snatching theory ridicoulous...unless, of course, you're using that argument to blanket the fact that you have nothing to counter it. Yeah, I think that's it. And you're calling others as well as my stating Spidey's ACTUAL abilites opinionated? That's to absurd to get mad at, yet, it's too horribly illogical to laugh at. I....am....TORN!

I need to shut the hell up? Well, excuse me for stating facts, you have, after all, posted time and time again after him. Even now you entrude on a comment directed at him with a snippy (and I do mean snippy, not witty) comment of your own. Hmmm interesting.....

And was it I who lashed out with insults? What reason have I to hit a man when he's down unless he starts the whole thing? But, I won't hold it against you, you aren't good in the art of posting arguments in the firt place anyway.

Hey people. Go see the "Michael Myers vs Jason vs Freddy: a lil surprise" thread! Trust me, it'll be worth it!

Originally posted by Scoobless
are you serious? i know things have gotten a little aggressive and childish in this thread often but are you actively trying to provoke more of the same?

Nah... I was just going to bed and thought it was funny.

(To add to my previous post)

Jinzin, you know your statement saying "crap writing or not, it happened" was HIGHLY illogical view on the issue. And it goes against your comic book examples, I mean, Cap. flooring Spidey isn't a very liable example when consistent showings of Spidey and dipping and dodging around attacks from guys who completely outclass Cap. physically show to the contrary? You said it yourself "CRAP WRITING or not, it happened." Crap writing is not fact, nor will it ever be.

This fight should really be based on what a character can actually do rather than what a writer judged should happen to boost sales on an issue. "Venom vs. Supes" and "Punisher vs. Spidey" were exemplifiers of the term crap writing. I mean, Superman IS Superman, created to be physically superior to almost everyone he met in a confrontation, and yet he's brought down by Venom. I'm not knocking Venom, I'm knocking the chances he could have in actually winning such a fight.

Let me put it to you this way-

-Venom's a twenty-five tonner.
-Supes is most likely a one hundred to two hundred tonner.

-Venom's pretty fast.
-Supes is MUCH faster, no need to get into specifics, unless you want specifics, in which case I will shake my head sullenly.

And Punisher vs. Spidey? I don't even need to get as specific as before.

-Punisher's ultimate weapons are just that-weapons.
-Spidey dances around everything from SWAT teams to terrorists, to say nothing of the super-powered foes he leaves dazzled with his agility and perceptiveness.

-Punisher isn't even up to Cap or DD's level. He's the average man.
-Spiderman's no average man, need I explain how so? Besides the fact that's he's been labeled (accurately) as HALF-man, half-spider? In addition this mutation he has been granted the standard superhuman abilties, but these aren't just "standard" abilties. Pre-cog, superhuman speed, agility, durability, elasticity in the bones (despite their enhanced strength) twice that of the average person, strength he could have used to off Pun after dancing around his arsenal or KO him, in short, it's no contest physically....'cause it's all Spidey. Pun should've standed only the slightest of chances even with his guns, with nothing fast enough to surprise Spidey, he's just about a non-factor on any team of superhumans (or peak humans, for that matter). Spidey is a factor on just about ANY team he aligns with. Plain-and-simple.

Originally posted by StrawNilla
YOU LYING F**K!

I've made PLENTY of scenarios in which Spidey could win without drawing from ANY "past histories!" I haven't provided ANY examples you say? Like... shit

Wooo... Nice comeback. Maybe if I TYPE slower, you'll be able to comprehend what I am saying.

ALL of your scenarios come from ideas about these characters from their accumulated HISTORIES! You can not have any idea how Spider-Man would be able to DO anything without referring to things he has done in the past. ALL of your ideas come from a KNOWLEDGE of his abilities (or a LACK of knowledge about the others), so you simply made an ass out of yourself by proving my point.

Also, you seem to have this impression that the trio will simply stand around in awe while Spider-Man attacks them one at a time, cowering under the "Flash-like" speedsuperduperspitballblitz of the amazing 16 year old. These guys. These 3 right here. Wolverine, whose INTRODUCTION to Marvel Comics was in a battle with the HULK! Captain America, who has faced off against EVERY heavy hitter in the MU or lead a team to victory and walked away the winner in some way or another, since 1941! DareDevil, the "Man Without Fear", is supposed to be afraid of your skinny little kid in tights who he has defeated so many times it's hard to count them all.

My theory of the battle goes more like this: The 4 heroes realize they have to fight in a 1 against 3 scenario for whatever reason, and there's no backing out. Spider-Man thinks "Oh, CRAP!" and tries to jump away to figure out how he is supposed to beat these 3 when they've all whomped on him in one way or another in the past. Captain America realizes that Spider-Man is a bigger threat above them than up-close and sends DareDevil to cut him off at the pass. Spider-Man gets boxed in and tries to go through one of the heroes, but finds this to be a problem as well. DareDevil dodges his attacks as he always does, Cap blocks and counter-strikes with his shield, and Wolverine... well, Parker just decides NOT to try and go that way. Wolverine and Cap wrap Spidey up with a 2-on-1 combo, and DareDevil weaves in and tangles the web-head up in his billy-line. Spider-Man trips and falls, leaving an opening for Cap to clock him with the shield. Hard. Wolverine jumps on top of the beaten hero and prepares to plunge a claw through his chest (he's got this crazy idea about "snatching out organs"... something he read on the net that was posted by some nutjob), but Cap grabs Wolverine's arm and stops him (because that's just who HE is). DareDevil says something about "that not being justice", and Captain America gives a speech to whoever is making them fight that they won't be pawns anymore and when Spider-Man wakes up they all team up and go collectively whip the guy's ass.

There. End of story. This issue will be appearing on your local newstands sometime in the near future.

Originally posted by Capt.JK
My theory of the battle goes more like this: The 4 heroes realize they have to fight in a 1 against 3 scenario for whatever reason, and there's no backing out. Spider-Man thinks "Oh, CRAP!" and tries to jump away to figure out how he is supposed to beat these 3 when they've all whomped on him in one way or another in the past. Captain America realizes that Spider-Man is a bigger threat above them than up-close and sends DareDevil to cut him off at the pass. Spider-Man gets boxed in and tries to go through one of the heroes, but finds this to be a problem as well. DareDevil dodges his attacks as he always does, Cap blocks and counter-strikes with his shield, and Wolverine... well, Parker just decides NOT to try and go that way. Wolverine and Cap wrap Spidey up with a 2-on-1 combo, and DareDevil weaves in and tangles the web-head up in his billy-line. Spider-Man trips and falls, leaving an opening for Cap to clock him with the shield. Hard. Wolverine jumps on top of the beaten hero and prepares to plunge a claw through his chest