Spiderman vs. Captain America/Daredevil/Wolverine

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Originally posted by MERCILOUS
If this thread was Captain America vx Spider Man it would be a good fight. If this Match was Wolvie vs. Spidey it would be an interesting discussion. If it was DD vs. Spidey, Spidey would win, but DD wouldn't take it lying down.

If you wanna go into "this guy beat this guy so that means i'm right." then i can play that game too. Punisher Beat Wolvie, Spidey and DD together. No bull. It was almost a year ago before the line turned into a MAX comic (marvel's mature line.) This and your arguement both prove nothing.

he did not he trunned Logan on spider-man by making him mad and then DD chopped Logan in the thoat and he went down the Punisher run and got away wile they fought.Then proseaded to kid nap Bruce Banner slapped him up and got the hell out leaving the three of them to deal with him.Damn I hate that type of shyt trying to go around the realy story.Get

It was Punisher limited written by Garth Ennis..stupidest story ever...I don't really even think that story took place in normal continuity... Seriously..it was full of PIS/CIS.....Wolverine was made out to be the biggest dolt in the story..and he got his ass handed to him by the Punisher a many a times...lol...There was one scene where wolverine got his entire intestines and lower body blown up and completely regenerated everything...This along with many other stories to follow began Wolvie's Metamorphosis into Marvel's version of the "Man of Steel"

Oh yeah Blade cutter no offense but the first SM and X movies sucked some serious ass...the sequels were leaps and bounds better than the originals...and what about Superman I and II...those still Kick some serious comic book movie ass..in my humble opinion....

Originally posted by Scoobless
i guess you've reverted back to pre-"let's-stop-the-insults"-cap, whatever

First off, no serious insult intended; I apologize if it seemed that way, as you are one of the more intelligent Spidey-fans in here, and although I may not agree with your posts, you do at least have some good arguments for them.

That being said, it just seems like you guys wishy-wash back and forth over a LOT of things. I mean, either Cap can hurt Spider-Man, or he can't. Either Spider-Man will dodge, or he'll stand there and get hit and shrug it off. The book in question itself is pretty self explanatory, but then MOST of you only draw from comic history when it suits your self serving needs. Captain America, Wolverine, and DareDevil have all had their respective histories trashed as "irrelevant" and "illogical", yet I've had to sit through a hundred or more posts and read about "Spidey beat Firelord". Either story lines are relevant for ALL of them, or they are IRRELEVANT for ALL of them.

The problem with this line of thinking is that these are CHARACTERS with defined personalities and abilities that help us recognize who they are. They are NOT a bunch of mathematical statistics and dice rolls from a Champions RPG as 'Strawnilla' would love for us to accept, but they are very DEFINED characters with rich histories. And ALL of these guys have beaten or stalemated Spider-Man ON THEIR OWN! Why can't you guys just accept that Spider-Man COULD NOT WIN?

I’m guessing denile.

“are you serious? i know things have gotten a little aggressive and childish in this thread often but are you actively trying to provoke more of the same?”

well I gotta admit, it was pretty funny.

“and it's not like everyone on this board is aspiring to become Spidey, Supes, or Batman...sounds like you're the one with THAT idea.”

Just when I thought your illogical stupidity couldn’t get any worse. At what point did I say I wanted to BE batman, supes, or spiderman? ……don’t tell me, I already know the answer this is one of your patented “made up” facts.

“And how is my stating "nothing in your posts Cap. winning this, nor has any from your other posts" absurdly wrong when you REALLY haven't.”

well,,,,,,,,maybe,,,,,,because…..we, I dunno…. HAVE! It’s not my fault you omit whatever we scenario we give you and replace them with “facts” in your head man.
As far as the organ snatching thing,,,,,,unless spidey is under possession of a demon or another brain entirely, he simply WON’T do it. That’s like saying Superman would rape Louis Lane, it wouldn’t happen and it’s completely out of character to say it would. Hence,,,,,,ridiculous. Speed-blitz? So what? He’s gonna be banking on the fact that wolverine doesn’t just stick his arm out or what? It’s not like you’ve responded to ANY of our scenarios anyway. By the way if you’re going to be talking about different people you probably shouldn’t direct the post towards one person at the header.

“And was it I who lashed out with insults? What reason have I to hit a man when he's down unless he starts the whole thing? But, I won't hold it against you, you aren't good in the art of posting arguments in the first place anyway.”

Yeah I guess not, maybe I should learn how to make up facts like you…..ummmm okay wolverine could take one of his automatic firing rifles he learned to use in weapon x and fire at spiderman with it while lobbing grenades at him with his other hand. Hmmmmm you’re right I like this whole “fact” thing,,,you must be on to something.

“Jinzin, you know your statement saying "crap writing or not, it happened" was HIGHLY illogical view on the issue. And it goes against your comic book examples, I mean, Cap. flooring Spidey isn't a very liable example when consistent showings of Spidey and dipping and dodging around attacks from guys who completely outclass Cap. physically show to the contrary? You said it yourself "CRAP WRITING or not, it happened." Crap writing is not fact, nor will it ever be.”

Pffft. Hmmmm yes…..it..is. Cap hit spider-man in the face-fact
Cap floored spidey-fact
Spidey was really surprise by how much force cap had in his arm-fact
Cap was in no way impressed with spiderman-fact.
All of this happened, (it didn’t almost happen, it didn’t kind of happen, it didn’t happen in another universe, it just f***ing happened) in continuity, thus…………………………..fact.

“Also, you seem to have this impression that the trio will simply stand around in awe while Spider-Man attacks them one at a time,”

exactly.
“and Wolverine... well, Parker just decides NOT to try and go that way.”

Hahahaha…lol yeah I wouldn’t either.

“Or, with the knowledge that he could easily kill Wolvie just by snapping his neck? Why do you think he grabbed Wolvie's neck in that issue if he didn't?

Again you obviously don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. Spidey ain’t easily snapping anything, He even said if he were to do it, he would have to use all his strength. Problem is,,,if he goes for that stragety, it’s gonna take a bit of time,,,maybe not much time, but enough for wolverine to get a gut full of spidey in his claws, if not scambles spdey brains. He’ sure as hell ain’t gonna do it in one of your magical speedblitzes.

“why would he even show fear?”

Maybe for the same reason he was afraid in his fight with wolverine,,,,,he’s scared to die.

“Cap is dumbfounded,”

just anther example for the complete lack of knowledge for the other characters in this fight.

(Oh yeah didn't Spidey whoop Cap's ass in this issue...I think so too..)
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Okay! That settles it!!!!!!!!what did you just lose?!?!?!?!?!?!? Wait I think I know what it is! AAAAALLLLL VALIDITY! That’s the exact comic I was referring to you…..(guzefraba)……the exact one where cap floors spidey with a right hand. Guess that’s just another one of your facts huh? Pathetic. Your posts don’t even deserve a response at this point.

“but with the agility etc etc it won't happen”

Kinda like it “didn’t” happen in this very book right? Hahahaha oh man, this is getting ugly.

“I spidey's second comic he beat the FF”

no he didn’t! have you read that comic? He dances around them and shoots some webs but ultimately he got schooled.
“He beat the X-men on hes own”
In a non-fight.

Sigh... It's good to not be alone. 'Jinzin's' post was so beautiful, I have nothing to add. Let's all just sit back and admire it, shall we?

Way to post, fellow "trio-fighter".

to bad my grammer ain't all up to snuff and I constantly omit letters. I guess you better be good at filling in the blanks to really understand my posts huh?
lol
oh well, thanks nontheless.

SPiderman would get tired in the middle of a fight.

Originally posted by Capt.JK
First off, no serious insult intended; I apologize if it seemed that way, as you are one of the more intelligent Spidey-fans in here, and although I may not agree with your posts, you do at least have some good arguments for them.

Yes Scoobles, Who Kid, myself and others have had some descent arguments...and I have yet to hear you directly respond to most of them...


That being said, it just seems like you guys wishy-wash back and forth over a LOT of things. I mean, either Cap can hurt Spider-Man, or he can't.

He can't..he won't be able to touch him if he's fighting at his best...this has been stated many times...


Either Spider-Man will dodge, or he'll stand there and get hit and shrug it off.

He'll dodge..as he always does...with opponents much faster than the Trio...


The book in question itself is pretty self explanatory

Yes it was...as it was demonstrated on the cover and in the comic itself...Cap had a difficult time hitting SM...and as it was also demonstrated..SM wasn't really struggling to avoid him....which would make one think that at his best..Cap/DD/Wolvie won't be able to touch him...


but then MOST of you only draw from comic history when it suits your self serving needs.

Yes as do you...using your logic...."The entire history"...is relevant..so it should be used...however..unlike you Trio supporters..we have consistancy to our examples..meaning we've cited things that happened more than once or twice...and are consistant with the overall character and his abilities....consistancy along with "facts" make a strong argument...


Captain America, Wolverine, and DareDevil have all had their respective histories trashed as "irrelevant" and "illogical", yet I've had to sit through a hundred or more posts and read about "Spidey beat Firelord". Either story lines are relevant for ALL of them, or they are IRRELEVANT for ALL of them.

Again consistancy is the key to making a strong argument..not just random 1 time events.. How many times has Cap broke the Hulk's hold..or Wolverine survived a nuclear explosion.....SM on the other hand..has consistantly given people who are much more powerful than him a run for their money(ie Firelord, Surfer, Hulk, Iron Man 2020, Doctor Doom, Sinister Six, etc, etc, etc)..while the Trio have not...
You keep on stating that all histories should be considered...however I have as of yet to see you directly counter any of the arguments made against the Trio..your counter arguments have generally just been directed towards how great Captain is..not as to how the Trio are going to win...


The problem with this line of thinking is that these are CHARACTERS with defined personalities and abilities that help us recognize who they are. They are NOT a bunch of mathematical statistics and dice rolls from a Champions RPG as 'Strawnilla' would love for us to accept, but they are very DEFINED characters with rich histories.

Regardless of whether or not they have defined personalities..stats do play a part in showing what each is capable of...and are relevant to this type of debate...especially when being applied to how a character would be able to defeat another one...


Sigh... It's good to not be alone. 'Jinzin's' post was so beautiful, I have nothing to add. Let's all just sit back and admire it, shall we?

I thought you already had a girlfriend.... 😆 😆

Originally posted by whobdamandog
Yes Scoobles, Who Kid, myself and others have had some descent arguments...and I have yet to hear you directly respond to most of them...

I've responded to the ones that I thought had any semblance of a good argument, or were so ridiculous that they needed to be "called out". I think that pretty much covers most of them, depending on who was posting.

He can't..he won't be able to touch him if he's fighting at his best...this has been stated many times...

Well that settles it then! You STATED it! Wooo... I don't know HOW I missed that. I think it's safe to say that just because you stated your OPINION, that doesn't really make it much of a fact. No further comment necessary on this one.

He'll dodge..as he always does...with opponents much faster than the Trio...

Yeah, just like he dodges Cap in the book when Cap punches him dead in the face and knocks him on his butt.

Yes it was...as it was demonstrated on the cover and in the comic itself...Cap had a difficult time hitting SM...and as it was also demonstrated..SM wasn't really struggling to avoid him....which would make one think that at his best..Cap/DD/Wolvie won't be able to touch him...

Did you miss the page where he got hit?

Yes as do you...using your logic...."The entire history"...is relevant..so it should be used...however..unlike you Trio supporters..we have consistancy to our examples..meaning we've cited things that happened more than once or twice...and are consistant with the overall character and his abilities....consistancy along with "facts" make a strong argument

Again consistancy is the key to making a strong argument..not just random 1 time events.. How many times has Cap broke the Hulk's hold..or Wolverine survived a nuclear explosion.....SM on the other hand..has consistantly given people who are much more powerful than him a run for their money(ie Firelord, Surfer, Hulk, Iron Man 2020, Doctor Doom, Sinister Six, etc, etc, etc)..while the Trio have not...
You keep on stating that all histories should be considered...however I have as of yet to see you directly counter any of the arguments made against the Trio..your counter arguments have generally just been directed towards how great Captain is..not as to how the Trio are going to win...

So I take it Firelord appears every other issue to get beaten up by Spider-Man? I must have missed those issues. Maybe my local comic shop has them. And of course there are those hundreds of times he's faced the Hulk and danced all around him. These guys are regular square dance partners. Yeah, lots of facts in here...

I've already laid out the issue where Cap broke free of the Hulk. Then there's also the time the Avengers and the FF were fighting Hulk and Cap slammed headfirst into the hulk with his shield and knocked him back, so I guess that kind of counts too...

There are an entire history of stories we can draw from where any ONE of these 3 heroes have beaten foes considered more powerful than themselves. Perhaps you should consider that some of us think your "Firelord" argument is "Crap Writing" (or just "Crap Arguing"😉. Your argument doesn't even hold water.

Regardless of whether or not they have defined personalities..stats do play a part in showing what each is capable of...and are relevant to this type of debate...especially when being applied to how a character would be able to defeat another one...

These are not randomly generated numbers on a sheet of paper. They are ALL characters with rich histories of defeating or stalemating opponents believed to have outclassed them. And these 3 have all done that to Spider-Man 1-on-1.

I thought you already had a girlfriend.... 😆 😆

Yeah, and she thinks I'm sexy too. 😮‍💨

Originally posted by Capt.JK
I've responded to the ones that I thought had any semblance of a good argument, or were so ridiculous that they needed to be "called out". I think that pretty much covers most of them, depending on who was posting.

Not really...you've kind of danced around a lot of pertinent issues of SM's abilities...

Such as Spider Sense...
Super Speed..
Super Agility..etc..etc...

...and the fact that he has consistantly proven to be a very elusive opponent when using these abilities to his fullest..which would be exactly what he'd be doing in this scenario...regardless of whether or not Cap/DD/Wolvie are fighting at their best...it still doesn't discredit the fact that they would be facing an opponent who could not only sense there every attack..but had the speed, reflexes, agility, etc etc to avoid it...

You also failed to mention as to why SM would "logically"directly assault the Trio...seeing as how in most of his battles, he never directly attacks an opponent..


Well that settles it then! You STATED it! Wooo... I don't know HOW I missed that. I think it's safe to say that just because you stated your OPINION, that doesn't really make it much of a fact. No further comment necessary on this one.

Woohoo..after repeating this same damb argument for 50 some odd pages...it finally sunk into your brain......seriously...though..I've been repeating this argument in just about every post in this thread...lol..and based on the "fact" that Spidey consistantly dodges people faster than the Trio combined...then it is a "fact" that none of the Trio would be able to touch him...No further comment necessary...lol...


Yeah, just like he dodges Cap in the book when Cap punches him dead in the face and knocks him on his butt.

True..but isn't this the same Cap who also got smacked a side by the Hulk like a little boitch...The one whom SM consistantly dances around and is taken a back with his punches...

The same Cap who who got trampled like a flea by Thanos...whom SM took has taken on more than once...

The same Cap who consistantly has difficulty with the Red Skull..whom SM beat rather easily(twice by the way)

Is it really fair to discredit all of these and many other "historical" stories based on the fact that Cap was able to land "one punch" on SM..especially since he wasn't trying to "fight for the kill" against Cap..at least in this particular story...


Did you miss the page where he got hit?

Nope I didn't...refer to previous post...


So I take it Firelord appears every other issue to get beaten up by Spider-Man?

No..he doesn't..but SM's "history" has proven him able to handle opponents on much higher strength and power levels(like Firelord)..and prevailed...such as Hulk, Rhino, Silver Surfer, Morlun, Iron Man 2020, Warlock, Thanos, Tri Sentinel, Goliath, She-Hulk and countless others.....


I must have missed those issues.

Yes..probably..your too busy reading Captain America..diversify laddy..set your spirit free..there are other things out in the world other than Captain America...lol...


Maybe my local comic shop has them.

Sure does..check out the back issue bins...


And of course there are those hundreds of times he's faced the Hulk and danced all around him. These guys are regular square dance partners.

Your right..and Hulk is much faster than Cap/DD/Wolvie...so if he can dodge the Hulk...then he could definately dodge the 3 of them...looks like SM's got a few more partners to add to the dancing list...and the defeated list as well...lol...


Yeah, lots of facts in here...

I'm glad you finally realized this..lol


I've already laid out the issue where Cap broke free of the Hulk. Then there's also the time the Avengers and the FF were fighting Hulk and Cap slammed headfirst into the hulk with his shield and knocked him back, so I guess that kind of counts too...

I'm sure if Spidey had the entire Marvel Universe to help him..he'd probably defeat the Hulk rather easily as well..but guess what..unlike the Captain..He's actually faced the Hulk alone and still won...lol..another powerhouse bites the dust... 😆


There are an entire history of stories we can draw from where any ONE of these 3 heroes have beaten foes considered more powerful than themselves.

Maybe..but they still pale in comparison to the likes of Morlun, Juggernaut, Firelord, etc, etc...none of the Trio would last more than a minute against any of these powerhouses(okay maybe Wolverine would last 2 minutes..)


Perhaps you should consider that some of us think your "Firelord" argument is "Crap Writing" (or just "Crap Arguing"😉. Your argument doesn't even hold water.

LOL...that's your opinion..and your welcome to have it..but it's still a "fact" according to your "all history should count" argument.......if you refute it as being a fact..then you might as well empty out "your" glass of water...😛


These are not randomly generated numbers on a sheet of paper. They are ALL characters with rich histories of defeating or stalemating opponents believed to have outclassed them. And these 3 have all done that to Spider-Man 1-on-1.

Then based on his SM's rich history of overcoming overwhelming odd's and extremely powerful foes..he would be the obvious choice when it comes to winning this battle...


Yeah, and she thinks I'm sexy too. 😮‍💨

Please don't tell me your implying Jinzin thinks your sexy.....Jin are you hittin on Cap? 😆 😆

Originally posted by whobdamandog
Not really... (just keeps going and going and going...)

I'm just going to answer this the old fashioned way. I haven't danced around anything, and neither have any of the other serious posters for the trio. I'm just not so enamored and blown away by Spider-Man's powers that we feel the need to keep referring to them. All of these guys have certain abilities, and I still haven't seen a single post that even begins to persuade me that the web-head has any chance in hell of beating the trio. I'm arguing FOR the trio. I'll post their powers and how and why they would beat Spider-Man.

And what do you mean regardless of whether they use their powers at their full potential or "at their best"? Why wouldn't they? Or are you still trying to say that they would all be cowering in the corner, hoping the skinny guy in the bug-tights doesn't notice them?

I didn't state why Spider-Man would directly attack the trio because I never said he would in the first place. I said he tries to jump away and gets boxed in. Why is it you assume that Spider-Man starts out with your perceived advantage of being up high and separated from the 3 heroes? I didn't read that in the original post. Maybe those comic shops will have a copy of this in their "back issue bins" as well. I'll look in the "FANTASY" section.

Again you try and pull in history, yet you also try and brush aside the trio's history as irrelevant. And you keep bringing up Red Skull, but I can't figure out why. Cap has beaten the Red Skull so many times it is ridiculous. He is Cap's nemesis; that is why he reappears so many times for Cap to defeat again and again and again... What IS your point?

All of these heroes have tangled with foes of superior power, and won. What is your point again? The point you seem to want to try and draw attention from is that ALL of these 3 have either beaten or stalemated Spider-Man on numerous occasions. Nice try though.

Sure does..check out the back issue bins...

So Firelord appears every other issue? To get beaten up by Spider-Man? Are you really positive about this statement?

Hulk can run faster, but his reaction time is NOT faster than ANY of these guys. They have all danced around him at one point or another. This statement also... has no point.

I read through your entire post, and ALL of it is pointless. You didn't post one convincing argument or point of fact that had anything to do with the fact that ALL 3 of these guys have beaten or stalemated Spider-Man in the past, and the 3 together would easily defeat him as a team. Spider-Man would lose. Period.

And actually, I was talking about your sister. She gives a great gumjob when she pops her teeth out. 'Course, she ain't much to look at... bagpimp

Originally posted by jinzin
I’m guessing denile.

“are you serious? i know things have gotten a little aggressive and childish in this thread often but are you actively trying to provoke more of the same?”

well I gotta admit, it was pretty funny.

“and it's not like everyone on this board is aspiring to become Spidey, Supes, or Batman...sounds like you're the one with THAT idea.”

Just when I thought your illogical stupidity couldn’t get any worse. At what point did I say I wanted to BE batman, supes, or spiderman? ……don’t tell me, I already know the answer this is one of your patented “made up” facts.

“And how is my stating "nothing in your posts Cap. winning this, nor has any from your other posts" absurdly wrong when you REALLY haven't.”

well,,,,,,,,maybe,,,,,,because…..we, I dunno…. HAVE! It’s not my fault you omit whatever we scenario we give you and replace them with “facts” in your head man.
As far as the organ snatching thing,,,,,,unless spidey is under possession of a demon or another brain entirely, he simply WON’T do it. That’s like saying Superman would rape Louis Lane, it wouldn’t happen and it’s completely out of character to say it would. Hence,,,,,,ridiculous. Speed-blitz? So what? He’s gonna be banking on the fact that wolverine doesn’t just stick his arm out or what? It’s not like you’ve responded to ANY of our scenarios anyway. By the way if you’re going to be talking about different people you probably shouldn’t direct the post towards one person at the header.

“And was it I who lashed out with insults? What reason have I to hit a man when he's down unless he starts the whole thing? But, I won't hold it against you, you aren't good in the art of posting arguments in the first place anyway.”

Yeah I guess not, maybe I should learn how to make up facts like you…..ummmm okay wolverine could take one of his automatic firing rifles he learned to use in weapon x and fire at spiderman with it while lobbing grenades at him with his other hand. Hmmmmm you’re right I like this whole “fact” thing,,,you must be on to something.

“Jinzin, you know your statement saying "crap writing or not, it happened" was HIGHLY illogical view on the issue. And it goes against your comic book examples, I mean, Cap. flooring Spidey isn't a very liable example when consistent showings of Spidey and dipping and dodging around attacks from guys who completely outclass Cap. physically show to the contrary? You said it yourself "CRAP WRITING or not, it happened." Crap writing is not fact, nor will it ever be.”

Pffft. Hmmmm yes…..it..is. Cap hit spider-man in the face-fact
Cap floored spidey-fact
Spidey was really surprise by how much force cap had in his arm-fact
Cap was in no way impressed with spiderman-fact.
All of this happened, (it didn’t almost happen, it didn’t kind of happen, it didn’t happen in another universe, it just f***ing happened) in continuity, thus…………………………..fact.

“Also, you seem to have this impression that the trio will simply stand around in awe while Spider-Man attacks them one at a time,”

exactly.
“and Wolverine... well, Parker just decides NOT to try and go that way.”

Hahahaha…lol yeah I wouldn’t either.

“Or, with the knowledge that he could easily kill Wolvie just by snapping his neck? Why do you think he grabbed Wolvie's neck in that issue if he didn't?

Again you obviously don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. Spidey ain’t easily snapping anything, He even said if he were to do it, he would have to use all his strength. Problem is,,,if he goes for that stragety, it’s gonna take a bit of time,,,maybe not much time, but enough for wolverine to get a gut full of spidey in his claws, if not scambles spdey brains. He’ sure as hell ain’t gonna do it in one of your magical speedblitzes.

“why would he even show fear?”

Maybe for the same reason he was afraid in his fight with wolverine,,,,,he’s scared to die.

“Cap is dumbfounded,”

just anther example for the complete lack of knowledge for the other characters in this fight.

(Oh yeah didn't Spidey whoop Cap's ass in this issue...I think so too..)
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Okay! That settles it!!!!!!!!what did you just lose?!?!?!?!?!?!? Wait I think I know what it is! AAAAALLLLL VALIDITY! That’s the exact comic I was referring to you…..(guzefraba)……the exact one where cap floors spidey with a right hand. Guess that’s just another one of your facts huh? Pathetic. Your posts don’t even deserve a response at this point.

“but with the agility etc etc it won't happen”

Kinda like it “didn’t” happen in this very book right? Hahahaha oh man, this is getting ugly.

“I spidey's second comic he beat the FF”

no he didn’t! have you read that comic? He dances around them and shoots some webs but ultimately he got schooled.
“He beat the X-men on hes own”
In a non-fight.


When I said that "you're the one who needs help if you "identify" with a comic book character" you retorted with a "well you just insulted half the posters on this board." Besides that not being directed at you (thereby making it none of your buisness), "identifying" with a comic book character would mean that you see yuorself in them or can relate to them and their lifestyle. If you can do this and not want to live their life or be more like them, then you never really identify with them.

I omit your scenarios because they're not scenarios that can ACTUALLY HAPPEN! I mean honestly, you take a guy who can contort himself between gunshots fired at him in mid-air and have it where he's blocked off his path by a peak human?! I mean besides the contorting thing, he has pre cog, superhuman strength, speed, stamina, endurance, agility, reflexes (30-40 titmes faster than the average human), durability, etc. These are just facts to the character's right to which you will not accept.
And again, I never said that Spidey WOULD snatch out their organs...he could, but I doubt he would have to resort to such a scenario. And I haven't responded to your scenarios....no, I guess I didn't counter every scenario that Capt. JK had listed....liar.

And your name NEVER CAME UP IN MY POST DIRECTED AT CAPT. JK, STOP LYING!

And I "made up" facts? Okay, you call them FACTS yet you say I made them up? That's just....sad.

And crap writing is NOT FACT! There's always a loophole as to how it happened. You said it yourself, Spidey had 5-7 titles that were pretty much crap, what's to say the writers didn't drop Cap. in the storyline to give Spidey the boost in sales that he needed? Cap. not impressed with Spidey at all? Why is it then that he was said to have been "inspired by Spidey" in a later issue in his run as an Avenger during the "Breakout" storyline? Yeah...that's consistent. Spidey impressed by the force in Cap's arm? Yet he cracks jokes when being pummeled by thirty supervillains after being blasted away by twenty lasers and dropped into a prison cell, comments on his sense of humor in a fight with Venom, grabs on to some bus bars packing ALOT of heat (Johhny Storm exaggerating saying that there were about ten trillion volts in them, but does act as an indication to the staggering amount of electricity in the bus bars) just to get the symbiote away from him...he ended up merely blacking out for a couple hours.

And wow, proof of an issue to which I never denied the existence of.......fascinating. 🙄 You haven't even rebuked my arguments with anything else but calling it fact. That's not an argument (not a liable one), more like a, what's the word I'm looking for, the word you use to describe the scenarios of the Spidey supporters......oh yeah, your OPINION.

And why would Spidey be scared to die fighting Wolvie when knowing he's faster and could easily avoid his claws as well as grap his neck? End result: it snaps like a twig. And do you know the sad part to all of this? There's so many ways in which Spidey could easily stun and/or stop Wolvie, as well as one or two options that allows the kill, yet, his character was written to fear him. I guess Spidey backhanding the guy a couple feet backwards means nothing to say for a one-on-one fight......how sad.

And why wouldn't Cap be dumbfounded in the process of being pummeled to death? This is assuming Spidey doesn't just off him with one punch. I mean, Cap. does have human vulnerabilties, and while Spidey is still intact with half the humanity he still possesses with his mutation, he is limited to most of these vulnerabilities. Cap. may be fearless when he has the Avengers watching his back, not knocking that, why wouldn't he be? But alone I don't think he would be prone to facing universe leveling threats.

Originally posted by Capt.JK
I'm just going to answer this the old fashioned way. I haven't danced around anything, and neither have any of the other serious posters for the trio. I'm just not so enamored and blown away by Spider-Man's powers that we feel the need to keep referring to them.

Yeah but its silly to ignore them...the "fact" remains that he outclasses the Trio by leaps and bounds ability wise...and that if all combatants were fighting at their best..it would be next to impossible for them to touch him..


All of these guys have certain abilities, and I still haven't seen a single post that even begins to persuade me that the web-head has any chance in hell of beating the trio.

Re-read the previous post..as well as many others..you've been given many factual/plausible/and logical arguments...


I'm arguing FOR the trio. I'll post their powers and how and why they would beat Spider-Man.

Yes I know..but thus far you've only really given the powers and abilities of Captain America...and even then you've been very innacurate as to what the limits of his abilities are..any way..Cap's abilities still pale in comparison to the overall abilities of SM..lol...and you really haven't given any reasons as to why he and the rest of the Trio would win..other than the following:


The Trio are Icons....
Captain America is the World's Greatest Tactician..
Wolverine is a killing Machine..."The best at what he does"
Daredevil has a fighting style that nearly mimics SM...(which is very inaccurate and untrue)


And what do you mean regardless of whether they use their powers at their full potential or "at their best"? Why wouldn't they?

Didn't say the wouldn't...just stated it wouldn't make that much of a difference..SM outclasses all of three by leaps and bounds..Cap/DD/Wolvie at their bests are not going to give Firelord, Iron Man 2020, Tri Sentinel, Goliath, Juggernaut, etc, etc, any real trouble..at most they'll just be annoyances...


Or are you still trying to say that they would all be cowering in the corner, hoping the skinny guy in the bug-tights doesn't notice them?

That would probably be there best course of action...considering the circumstances....SM going all out is not someone you should F*** with..just ask any of the above mentioned powerhouses...


I didn't state why Spider-Man would directly attack the trio because I never said he would in the first place.

Yeah you did..you stated he wouldn't have a choice in another post..


I said he tries to jump away and gets boxed in. Why is it you assume that Spider-Man starts out with your perceived advantage of being up high and separated from the 3 heroes?

How would he get boxed in if he can perceive exactly when they're going to attack..and has reflexes which are 40 times faster..come on now JK..be logical now...lol


I didn't read that in the original post. Maybe those comic shops will have a copy of this in their "back issue bins" as well. I'll look in the "FANTASY" section.

That's a good start..remember what I stated before diversify...


Again you try and pull in history, yet you also try and brush aside the trio's history as irrelevant.

No I don't..I'm just using the same rationale as you...I'm considering all the comic book history of all the characters..and based on all of their histories..I can't see the Trio winning this battle easily...


And you keep bringing up Red Skull, but I can't figure out why. Cap has beaten the Red Skull so many times it is ridiculous. He is Cap's nemesis; that is why he reappears so many times for Cap to defeat again and again and again... What IS your point?

Good got you at your own game..the Scorpian is a SM villian/nemesis, as is Octopus, and many of the other SM opponents that you mentioned the Captain defeating in this thread..SM has defeated all of them countless times...now go ahead and ask yourself the same question you just asked me when referring to these wins.."What IS your point?"


All of these heroes have tangled with foes of superior power, and won. What is your point again?

That the Trio have never "tangled with foes of superior power" on the level as SM's....I have as of yet not received any examples of these foes...(note Scorpian and Doc Ock don't count..lol)


The point you seem to want to try and draw attention from is that ALL of these 3 have either beaten or stalemated Spider-Man on numerous occasions. Nice try though.

The only one who has actually pulled a win is DD..and that was really a circumstantial win..I doubt that he would have had the same results if SM had not been hypnotized...Cap punching Spidey "1" time hardly counts as a win either....by that logic..I could claim that SM has defeated Wolvie and DD...based on the fact that he's "punched" and incapicitated both of them before...besides..none of the times were they fighting an "any means necessary Spidey"...they were fighting the "Friendly Neighborhood Spidey"...Good try though...lol...


So Firelord appears every other issue? To get beaten up by Spider-Man? Are you really positive about this statement?

lol..don't be silly...never stated he fight Firelord all the time...what I stated was that he consistantly fights people on much higher levels than himself and prevails..lol..stop trying to twist words around..I clearly stated this in the previous post...bad try...


Hulk can run faster, but his reaction time is NOT faster than ANY of these guys. They have all danced around him at one point or another. This statement also... has no point.

Again..another erroneous fact..Wolverine/Cap/DD have never danced around the Hulk..in fact Cap got manhandled in Hulk 406..lasted about 3 pages..He was barely able to avoid him...Hulk wrapped him up in a street light for Cripes Sake..DD ended up in the infirmary..and Wolverine always gets hit a ton of times in all of their encounters..the only thing that saves him is the adamantium..if it weren't for that..he'd be dead by now...your statement is innaccurate and has absolutely no validity to it...


...You didn't post one convincing argument or point of fact that had anything to do with the fact that ALL 3 of these guys have beaten or stalemated Spider-Man in the past, and the 3 together would easily defeat him as a team. Spider-Man would lose. Period.

Yes I did..you just didn't read them..lol..but you have the right to your "OPINION"..unfortunately its not substantiated by any stone cold "FACTS"


And actually, I was talking about your sister. She gives a great gumjob when she pops her teeth out.

Yup...lol..she always pops em out when she's trying to chew up finger food...

Originally posted by Capt.JK
Maybe if I post one word at a time and allow you to absorb that one before posting again, you'll get it. I've been saying you have to draw from their histories all along. That's how you know who these guys are and how they will react in any given situation. You can read, can't you?

That's right I'm senile, you didn't post, "You keep drawing from the comic book character's history!" That was directed at me and in an accusational tone. Yeah, I think that pretty much sums up your credibility.

Originally posted by Capt.JK
THANK YOU!!!!! It's about time one of you admitted to that.

'Strawnilla' doesn't seem to agree.


I never said Spidey WOULDN'T feel Cap's punches, I said that Spidey wouldn't allow Cap. to hit him period.

Besides, it's not like the guy said Spidey would be critically injured from one of Cap's punches, he'd feel it alot, but I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't land him in the hospital.

Originally posted by Scoobless
hey straw......... how the hell do you get so much into one post? i always get cut off at a certain point due to the word limit...... not that i'd ever go on for as long as you as, quite frankly, reading one post for so long gets tiresome...... especially if it's all about capt.jk (or any other member)...... no offense to any one is intended here, but if you want people to pay attention to what you write then get to the point quicker

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Yeah. It's kinda hard though, typing's an actual hobby for me. My family gave me a number to call, so I'm looking into that. 😄

Originally posted by LordFear
are u people actually arguing about one man vs three dudes who have proven themselves time after time? I didn't think anyone would be bold enough to entertain this post. Spidey actually has a chance of winning here? Is that what we are debating?

Yeah, about that. Spidey's not your everyday "dude."

He's Spider-Man.

Originally posted by Capt.JK
Yeah, that must be why he's jumping out of the way so hard. He really looks like he's thinking "Ow. What'd you do that for?" Right. Give me a break. You Spidey-fanboys are out of control.

I think Spidey's more concerned as to why Cap. wants to hurt more than how.

And how can you jump hard?

Originally posted by Capt.JK
First off, no serious insult intended; I apologize if it seemed that way, as you are one of the more intelligent Spidey-fans in here, and although I may not agree with your posts, you do at least have some good arguments for them.

That being said, it just seems like you guys wishy-wash back and forth over a LOT of things. I mean, either Cap can hurt Spider-Man, or he can't. Either Spider-Man will dodge, or he'll stand there and get hit and shrug it off. The book in question itself is pretty self explanatory, but then MOST of you only draw from comic history when it suits your self serving needs. Captain America, Wolverine, and DareDevil have all had their respective histories trashed as "irrelevant" and "illogical", yet I've had to sit through a hundred or more posts and read about "Spidey beat Firelord". Either story lines are relevant for ALL of them, or they are IRRELEVANT for ALL of them.

The problem with this line of thinking is that these are CHARACTERS with defined personalities and abilities that help us recognize who they are. They are NOT a bunch of mathematical statistics and dice rolls from a Champions RPG as 'Strawnilla' would love for us to accept, but they are very DEFINED characters with rich histories. And ALL of these guys have beaten or stalemated Spider-Man ON THEIR OWN! Why can't you guys just accept that Spider-Man COULD NOT WIN?


You tend to use my name alot in your posts when I'm not around, don't you?

Nothing in this post or any of your other posts convinces me that he's fast enough much less powerful enough to catch up with and stop Spidey.

Tell you what, when you start accepting what a peak human can and can not do, I'll TRY to respect your arguments.