Originally posted by Capt.JK
Wooo... Nice comeback. Maybe if I TYPE slower, you'll be able to comprehend what I am saying.ALL of your scenarios come from ideas about these characters from their accumulated HISTORIES! You can not have any idea how Spider-Man would be able to DO anything without referring to things he has done in the past. ALL of your ideas come from a KNOWLEDGE of his abilities (or a LACK of knowledge about the others), so you simply made an ass out of yourself by proving my point.
Also, you seem to have this impression that the trio will simply stand around in awe while Spider-Man attacks them one at a time, cowering under the "Flash-like" speedsuperduperspitballblitz of the amazing 16 year old. These guys. These 3 right here. Wolverine, whose INTRODUCTION to Marvel Comics was in a battle with the HULK! Captain America, who has faced off against EVERY heavy hitter in the MU or lead a team to victory and walked away the winner in some way or another, since 1941! DareDevil, the "Man Without Fear", is supposed to be afraid of your skinny little kid in tights who he has defeated so many times it's hard to count them all.
My theory of the battle goes more like this: The 4 heroes realize they have to fight in a 1 against 3 scenario for whatever reason, and there's no backing out. Spider-Man thinks "Oh, CRAP!" and tries to jump away to figure out how he is supposed to beat these 3 when they've all whomped on him in one way or another in the past. Captain America realizes that Spider-Man is a bigger threat above them than up-close and sends DareDevil to cut him off at the pass. Spider-Man gets boxed in and tries to go through one of the heroes, but finds this to be a problem as well. DareDevil dodges his attacks as he always does, Cap blocks and counter-strikes with his shield, and Wolverine... well, Parker just decides NOT to try and go that way. Wolverine and Cap wrap Spidey up with a 2-on-1 combo, and DareDevil weaves in and tangles the web-head up in his billy-line. Spider-Man trips and falls, leaving an opening for Cap to clock him with the shield. Hard. Wolverine jumps on top of the beaten hero and prepares to plunge a claw through his chest (he's got this crazy idea about "snatching out organs"... something he read on the net that was posted by some nutjob), but Cap grabs Wolverine's arm and stops him (because that's just who HE is). DareDevil says something about "that not being justice", and Captain America gives a speech to whoever is making them fight that they won't be pawns anymore and when Spider-Man wakes up they all team up and go collectively whip the guy's ass.
There. End of story. This issue will be appearing on your local newstands sometime in the near future.
Have you EVER seen Spidey use the speedblitz more than once? Much less regularly.
Onto your argument. Spidey's not 16, in the comicdom he's actually twenty (or older). In real world time he would have existed about seven years to a decade or more before DD or Wolverine.
And I know his abilities are superior to ALL of the opposed abilities (excluding Wolvie's overrated, exaggerated healing factor). They're honest to goodness lackeys when Spidey goes out there all out. It's not like any of their attacks will be effective seeing that they WILL NOT touch him in the first place, and the only one with a chance of living past the speedblitz is Wolvie (who'll most likely suffer from severe organ damage and a concussion, assuming Spidey doesn't just snap his neck).
You would even stoop so low as to put words in my mouth, calling the speedblitz flash-like. It's not. But it is MOST definitely fast enough (and much faster) to get to Cap, DD, and Wolvie respectively before they can react. Once he blitzes one member of the trio, his spider sense will alert him of someone else coming instances before they ACTUALLY COME, leaving him plenty of time (he will use) to leap off to the side, out of their way). Another member comes, spider sense warns him, Spidey's on the move again and out of the way of another attack, leaving more than enough time for Spidey to bounce back and blitz whomever had the gall to try and blindsight him into the dust and out of the game.
This leaves the last member, whomever that may be, for an opening to attack, but Spidey's already seven steps ahead of them and bounces around their attack while retaliating with a few mid-air combos to any place he see fit. Spidey wins.
Now to retaliate to your "argument."
Your excuse for Wolverine....he debued fighting the Hulk, I'm sorry, but, to Spidey the Hulk is nothing new. And I don't exactly remember Wolvie winning that fight either.
Your excuse for Cap....he's faced every heavy hitter (a title that, physically, he could NEVER claim to) and lead teams to victory and walked off the winner in "one way or another." Tell me how these ways couldn't have been taken out of context, or out of the writer's attempts to make a good story out of what, concievably, could be a non-fight with Cap. slaughtered on the frontline.
Your excuse for DD.....he's the man without fear. He's beaten Spider-Man, or as you refer to him "the skinny little man in tights" more times than you can count. Okay, this was before or after he was revealed to have feared the wraith of Spider-Man in the Breakout storyline in the New Avengers titles? Note: This was AFTER Spidey was blasted by twenty lasers after jumping into the scene of a prison breakout headfirst and being dropped into the a prison containing 30 supervillains. Btw, Spidey was cracking jokes even during the time he was pummeled on by these 30 supervillains. What did he do the next day you ask? With a lot of swelling in the face and a broken arm to show for being pummeled by THIRTY SUPERVILLAINS, he decides to go back to his job as a teacher. Wow. I know that if I had been pummeled by THIRTY SUPERVILLAINS in a crowded prison with nowhere to run after being blasted away by twenty or so lasers, I would have taken the day off. That alone says alot about on the issue of DD, Cap, and even Wolvie (with his claws unsheathed) actually dazing Spidey or physically causing him harm. Now, you have this to argue DD beating Spidey? WITHOUT having to be beaten by thirty supervillains after being blasted away by 20 lasers. Of course, Cap was there to pull Spidey out of the ruckus (swiftly on some flight craft without getting in pummeling range of the many supervillains), and it was Cap. who qustioned Spidey's move to go to work the next day. Uh-huh.
And why would Spidey think something like "Oh crap" when knowing he doesn't have to hold back and could most definitely blitz Cap. and DD into bloody piles of jelly. Or, with the knowledge that he could easily kill Wolvie just by snapping his neck? Why do you think he grabbed Wolvie's neck in that issue if he didn't?
Or, knowing that he oculd easily finish them with a speedblitz, as with IM 2020, why would he even show fear? He could just go through the motions, giving them his all as he did with GG, pummeling him with a combination of his superior speed, strength, agility, as well as an assortment of moves and combos he could use to rush Cap. and DD before they could react with a damaging attack (as if they could produce such a thing) and scratch them off the list of "threats in battle" with a 1-2 punch combo. This would make just as much a threat on the ground as it would in the air, at least, both notions would come up with the same result: Cap and DD's mangled bodies reduced to jelly aka their deaths.
How would DD manage to "block" Spidey's pass without Spidey speed anyway? And how would he prove a stronghold without Spider strength? Spidey would only outrun him or run through him. It's basically an impossibility for DD to dodge all of Spidey's attacks when Spidey begins moving at all angles and attacks from all sides. This isn't a comic book fight, PIS rules do not apply. There are no power boosts. You come with what you ACTUALLY have vitally and what is reasonably possible for you to achieve beyond those set limits. Which means that this is a no-crap involved fight, no holding back, this is Spidey unleashed. And with this Spidey takes him as well as the other members of the trio with relative ease. This goes especially for anyone who tries getting in his way, not that they are fast enough to do, but Spidey may just take their forms running towards him as a sign of attack, turn around, and eliminate him as easily as he got ahead of him.
With this scenario no longer a liable alternative to victory, Cap. braces himself for a frontal assault. But Spidey is smarter than this, knowing that that shield is nothing to laugh at and a time killer and "punch through" as your argument suggests and takes to the air just as Cap. tries to counter the blitz. Cap is dumbfounded, finding himself cornered and too outclassed in the speed and reflex to counter few to not any of Spidey's combos, and is in point, left for dead (and dead he is).
This leaves Wolvie who foolishly runs to attack Spidey, knowing that he's going all out claws and all, he believes he could actually take the webhead head on, a mistake he would (probably) live to regret. First Spidey is warned of this attack and instantly reacts, springing off to the side and bouncing back in the form of a blur....speedball mode. Wolvie is dumfounded as he is pummeled left and right from rebounding atatcks courtesy of Spidey. He barely has time to swipe at Spidey this way before he finds that Spidey has already hit him that way.
Finally, Spidey sees the opening for an attack to the head as Wolvie claws away at any and every direction just to catch the slightest of flesh rub against them. With this occupying Wolvie's thoughts, Spidey takes to the air again, striking Wolvie's skull as hard as he could. Instant KO, leaving the clawed canuck as dead still as the others.