Has the fact that no member the trio has had any indicated upgrades been completely ignored?
I mean, Spidey's done some stuff waaaayyy out of his league before as well, but definitely not as frequently as any peak human characters (especially the ones featured in this thread).
Some people on this thread have said that my primary argument is calling trio examples "crap writing." But how am I supposed to help what's true? You have characters originally at the peak of human conditioning (and nothing about this has changed) lifting dumpsters with one hand and taking it to the Hulk and yet most all the trio supporters (with unregisteredMAN as probably the only exception) will only dismiss it with a simple "they're comic books" "logic has nothing to do with it" fact of the matter is that in a versus fight logic has everything to do with it. No one in peak human conditioning could LOGICALLY lift a dumpster with one hand or hold their own against the Hulk (unless Hulk was holding back with almost everything he had). Someone with Spidey's strength could tolerate a couple of swats from the Hulk (realistically), add that with the fact that the Hulk doesn't reach full strength at his base level until he's completely transformed, and if you stage a fight where Banner was in the middle of transforming, the end result is a very interesting battle. There's pretty much no way that Cap, DD, or Wolvie (with bare fists only) are going to stagger an "in the middle of transforming Hulk." Now if their fight was with plain ol' Banner then I'd give it to the peak humans individually 10/10, but that's not what you have available to deal with.
It all goes back to common sense, and comics wouldn't be where they were today without warping common sense. Sure, they can accurately portray the abilties of superhuman-type characters, but when it comes to peak human characters it would be almost impossible to create an interesting crossover story with them if they did use common sense 60-75-100% of the time.
well, its seems like a pretty solid arguement even if it is continued to be reverted back to. i mean it has it's redundancy, but it really is the only way to explain how they have done the thing's they've done being mere humans. . . your arguement is that wolvie is strong enough to through a dumpster with one hand becuase he did it, his arguemnet is that it's impossible for a person to do that so it doesnt make sense. then again, almost everything in comics doesnt make sense.
you give him example after example of these 3 humans accomplishing feets humans of their caliber cant accomplish. and he tells you that the stats say that they cant do it, and yet they do it anyway for some reason. maybe it is crap writing or maybe there's something someone isnt telling us.
in science there are 2 ways to solve a hypothesis: theoritcal and experimental. in theory, given their attributes, the trio absolutley cant defeat sider-man. however, wolverine and the other two have defied logic countless times so it is hard to say. the reason i am still a spidey supporter, is because i believe this is a theory based forum because this is all "what if?"
so, can we all agree, at least agree, that by lining up their stats spidey takes this? and that it is very very difficult to account every single feat of strength and power that they have achieved in actual comics?
Their you go again, let's argue crap writing. Everytime Spidey gets beat it's crap writing. how is this possible?
Their you go with the stats again, which only account for a percentage of the character. If it's not on one of your internet stat sights then it doens't count right?
And people still want to argue logic? like the logic that lets Spiderman stick to walls? Like the logic that people with a simple genetic mutation can become vastly powerful? Do any of you realize that we're argueing about comic book characters?
if you had actually read it you would have seen that i had taken everything you said in your responce into account already.
i'm saying that in sheer theory and in sheer stats, spidey wins.
arguing comic for comic is a lot more difficult and a lot less persice.
this by all means does not mean spidey wins. however i still believe spider-man wins in that sense but that is just my opinion.
and you accomplish nothing by dismissing logic in comics.
and sorry if it was too long for you.
Ok cool, usually your post aren't too long but Strawnilla's make my head spin and it makes me ignore other post.
But you should take into consideration that not all of a characters stats are shown. What about a stat for experience, resourcefullness and other things i mentioned earlier. Everyone seems to know who the best leaders are but no one ever puts a number on it.
If they actually did put numbers on all these stats you might find that spidey in fact does not win in the stat department.
DD's tactics don't matter according to you, even though he's used them to outwit spiderman's spidey-senses. Wolverine's skeleton doesn't matter, even though he's resisted even spidey's strongest attacks with a smile. Captain america's leader ship doesn't matter, it's not like he's commanding one of the smartest fighters and one of the most dangerous fighters in the world. Vibranium shields don't matter, it's like they resist strikes from things like Thor's hammer.
the thing is......who has more credibility the writer that puts in a very half assed attempt at placing everyone's powers on a statistical level when we the fans probably know more about the characters in questions? or the comic book writers?
who knows.
the thing is....using just THEORY isn't really too prefferable on these boards either........why?
because theoretically......spiderman's bones would break if he took one of those 30 foot vertical leaps....whether or not his organs an muscles got stronger because of the radioactive spider bite is irrelivant....the point is the bone marrow wouldn't become denser due to increased strength.....see where THEORY falters?
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Ok cool, usually your post aren't too long but Strawnilla's make my head spin and it makes me ignore other post.But you should take into consideration that not all of a characters stats are shown. What about a stat for experience, resourcefullness and other things i mentioned earlier. Everyone seems to know who the best leaders are but no one ever puts a number on it.
If they actually did put numbers on all these stats you might find that spidey in fact does not win in the stat department.
Do you not believe that Spiderman has much experience? I think he's fought quite enough enemies and been around long enough to have mad experience. As have the Trio, that I'm not arguing. Technically though, Spidey was around some 20 or so years before Wolverine.
Resourcefullness? Hell, you might as well give that category to Spiderman. That's what he does.
Will power? All of them have insane will power. That's another thing that they do. They persevere. They don't back down or give up. They are all equal in this category.
I'm not blasting you or anything, but did you not consider the same stat values for Spiderman?
but the group has collectively more experience that spidey by far....it's llike if you were a black belt in karate fighting a 3 white belts in kung fu who have been around longer than you or as long.....you might be on a higher pedistool but theres more than a good shot that they take you down hard......maybe that's a bad analogy....but you get the point.