No
I don't know
possibly as like we are all parts of what god would be anyway....Like the analogy of your cells being parts of your whole body......the cells are like you.....but you are part of something bigger that you can't quite understand ie your body......
Cell would have no idea what the body is doing.
Originally posted by debbiejo
No
I don't know
possibly as like we are all parts of what god would be anyway....Like the analogy of your cells being parts of your whole body......the cells are like you.....but you are part of something bigger that you can't quite understand ie your body......Cell would have no idea what the body is doing.
where the hell did you get your knowledge. its good. its outside the box good.
because you just ended the discussion in 1 sitting.
Any coherent understanding of god and god’ s nature requires placing limits of some sort upon his/her/it alleged omnipotence. The first is that of logic: god’ s omnipotence means that god can do anything that is logically possible to do. God cannot make 2 + 2 equal 5, god cannot both simultaneously exist and not exist and god cannot lie and tell the truth at the same time.
Other limitations have been found to be necessary because of the many other attributes which people tend to assume that god has. Without these limitations, their definition of god would be logically contradictory and it would be reasonable to conclude that god, as defined, cannot exist.
Originally posted by Storm
Any coherent understanding of god and god’ s nature requires placing limits of some sort upon his/her/it alleged omnipotence. The first is that of logic: god’ s omnipotence means that god can do anything that is logically possible to do. God cannot make 2 + 2 equal 5, god cannot both simultaneously exist and not exist and god cannot lie and tell the truth at the same time.
Other limitations have been found to be necessary because of the many other attributes which people tend to assume that god has. Without these limitations, their definition of god would be logically contradictory and it would be reasonable to conclude that god, as defined, cannot exist.
spoonfeeding me with all the info... 😱
Once again, we are confronted with the Omnipotence Paradox.
The fun thing about the OP is that it prompts us to examine our premises, reasoning and conclusions with fine detail, kinda like a workout for the logical mind.
However, ontological arguments (of which the OP is one) simply can not be used to prove or disprove the existence/nature of God. To do so would imply that God is "small enough" to be encompassed by mere human logic.
And surely we are not that arrogant to figure we can do that.
Right?
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jerry
Re: Could god challenge himself?
Originally posted by eleveninches
If there were a god, and he is capable of doing whatever he wants, then would he also be able to set himself a task that would be challenging for him, and would be difficult for him to do. If he is capable of doing anything, then he would be able to instantaniously solve the puzzle and complete the challenge, but if he can do ANYTHING, then he could be able to create a puzzle for himself that even he could not easily solve.What are your thoughts???
Not unless he wasn't bored, seeing that we are more entertaining than a puzzle he could not easily solve...
Originally posted by Janus Marius
He could in a sense... just redefine what a circle is, and make a square with a slight change... call it a circle square. Who's gonna argue with God on that one?FOOL: Hey yeah, God? Uh, you can't have a circle-square...
GOD: O rly? *Smite*
Or worse: He'll turn you into an irrational KMC debater.
Re: Post Flawed Questions about God.
Originally posted by ROYALGUARD
If God is all powerful can he kill himself? can God create a rock that is so heavy that Even Himself cannot carry? Can God manifest himself as a human?well here are some of the Flawed questions i thought of so far. while eating brunch.
* first off, are you talking about the God in the Bible? if so, i would gladly answer you according to the Bible...
If God is all powerful can he kill himself?
* yes, God is Almighty... but He is not stupid... plus, read this...
"God is a Spirit : and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."
John 4:24
* God is a spirit, and spirits do not die like humans do... 😉
can God create a rock that is so heavy that Even Himself cannot carry?
* i've studied that line, bro... and it's a fallacy... 😛
"But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible ."
Matthew 19:26
* things that can be impossible to humans are possible to God... 😉
Can God manifest himself as a human?
* if it's God the Father... nope...
"Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God ."
Psalms 90:12
"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning ."
James 1:17
* from everlasting to everlasting, God is God... no variableness nor a shadow of turning...
* But the Father's Son is also a God... Christ... Christ manifested himself as a human to save us from sins...
"And the Word was made flesh , and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
John 1:14
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh , justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."
I Timothy 3:16
* are my answers okay? 😛
Re: Re: Post Flawed Questions about God.
Originally posted by peejayd
* first off, are you talking about the God in the Bible? if so, i would gladly answer you according to the Bible...[B]If God is all powerful can he kill himself?
* yes, God is Almighty... but He is not stupid... plus, read this...
"God is a Spirit : and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."
John 4:24* God is a spirit, and spirits do not die like humans do... 😉
can God create a rock that is so heavy that Even Himself cannot carry?
* i've studied that line, bro... and it's a fallacy... 😛
"But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible ."
Matthew 19:26* things that can be impossible to humans are possible to God... 😉
Can God manifest himself as a human?
* if it's God the Father... nope...
"Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God ."
Psalms 90:12"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning ."
James 1:17* from everlasting to everlasting, God is God... no variableness nor a shadow of turning...
* But the Father's Son is also a God... Christ... Christ manifested himself as a human to save us from sins...
"And the Word was made flesh , and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
John 1:14"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh , justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."
I Timothy 3:16* are my answers okay? 😛 [/B]
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Re: Re: Post Flawed Questions about God.
Originally posted by peejayd
* first off, are you talking about the God in the Bible? if so, i would gladly answer you according to the Bible...[B]If God is all powerful can he kill himself?
* yes, God is Almighty... but He is not stupid... plus, read this...
"God is a Spirit : and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."
John 4:24* God is a spirit, and spirits do not die like humans do... 😉
can God create a rock that is so heavy that Even Himself cannot carry?
* i've studied that line, bro... and it's a fallacy... 😛
"But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible ."
Matthew 19:26* things that can be impossible to humans are possible to God... 😉
Can God manifest himself as a human?
* if it's God the Father... nope...
"Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God ."
Psalms 90:12"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning ."
James 1:17* from everlasting to everlasting, God is God... no variableness nor a shadow of turning...
* But the Father's Son is also a God... Christ... Christ manifested himself as a human to save us from sins...
"And the Word was made flesh , and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
John 1:14"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh , justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."
I Timothy 3:16* are my answers okay? 😛 [/B]
I don't get it- how can God do things that are impossible, but he can't make himself human shaped?