No, because its not a book report. It should say...
God was born in <year> in a small town in <state> . He had two brothers and sisters and loving parents. God's father was a <simple profession> and his mother stayed at home. He went to college at...
You get the point. Its like a 1st graders mad lib biography.
Re: Re: Re: Post Flawed Questions about God.
Originally posted by Janus Marius
I don't get it- how can God do things that are impossible, but he can't make himself human shaped?
* nope... that's not the point there, bro...
"Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God ."
Psalms 90:12
* that is the greatness of God the Father... He is God from everlasting to everlasting... you cannot add nor diminish something from Him... He is that all-powerful... plus, there is no need for Him to make Himself a human... 😉
"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning ."
James 1:17
* that is the guarantee we need from God... He is very worthy for our trust because He cannot change, no variableness nor a shadow of turning... much more than that... here...
"For the Lord is good; his mercy is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations ."
Psalms 100:5
* God remains in the truth, His truth endureth to all generations... God is God from everlasting to everlasting, and so is His truth... oh, and looky here...
"In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie , promised before the world began;"
Titus 1:2
* God cannot lie... as much as God cannot change, He also cannot lie... now that's "guaran-damn-tee"... 😉
Re: Re: Re: Re: Post Flawed Questions about God.
Originally posted by peejayd
* nope... that's not the point there, bro..."Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God ."
Psalms 90:12* that is the greatness of God the Father... He is God from everlasting to everlasting... you cannot add nor diminish something from Him... He is that all-powerful... plus, there is no need for Him to make Himself a human... 😉
"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning ."
James 1:17* that is the guarantee we need from God... He is very worthy for our trust because He cannot change, no variableness nor a shadow of turning... much more than that... here...
"For the Lord is good; his mercy is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations ."
Psalms 100:5* God remains in the truth, His truth endureth to all generations... God is God from everlasting to everlasting, and so is His truth... oh, and looky here...
"In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie , promised before the world began;"
Titus 1:2* God cannot lie... as much as God cannot change, He also cannot lie... now that's "guaran-damn-tee"... 😉
So if God cannot change, and he cannot lie, and he embodies what we would call absolute good in this world, how did evil and Satan and free will just slip in there? If those things did not come from the essence of God, the creator, how could they have a nature that he does not possess? Furthermore, because they are of a nature he does not possess, how could God ever create and identify anything outside of himself? How could an all-good, never changing God conceptualize and create things that are dynamic, supposedly free, and potentially very evil?
That seems to be a serious inconsistancy in the professed persona of God. Likewise, the OT God acts more like a tempermental child than the NT god... what happened there?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Post Flawed Questions about God.
Originally posted by Janus Marius
So if God cannot change, and he cannot lie, and he embodies what we would call absolute good in this world, how did evil and Satan and free will just slip in there? If those things did not come from the essence of God, the creator, how could they have a nature that he does not possess? Furthermore, because they are of a nature he does not possess, how could God ever create and identify anything outside of himself? How could an all-good, never changing God conceptualize and create things that are dynamic, supposedly free, and potentially very evil?
* in my humble perception, that is the greatness of God... He has the power to create things out of nowhere... but how did evil slip in? it is because God had granted all His rational creatures the power of freedom, or should i say, the power of free will... 😉
* let us face it, bro... we cannot enjoy life here on earth without the power of free will that God had granted us... we have the power to choose right or wrong... let us not forget what Saint Paul said about how God loves His people and how He wants us all to be with Him forever...
"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Who will have all men to be saved , and to come unto the knowledge of the truth."
I Timothy 2:3-4
* God had given us the power of free will even if that may lead us to evil, however He never leaves us without someone who will lead us to salvation... God had sent good men, prophets, angels and even His only Begotten Son - Christ to save us from whatever potentially evil we may lead ourselves to... 😉
Originally posted by Janus Marius
That seems to be a serious inconsistancy in the professed persona of God. Likewise, the OT God acts more like a tempermental child than the NT god... what happened there?
* nope, bro... God is more open to the prophets in old times... for example, God Himself gave the tablets of commandments to Moses so when the Israelites had turned from God and worshipped idols and graven images, God abandoned them because of the fact that He had done so much for them, He literally split an entire ocean to saved them and what did the Israelites did in return? they worshipped a different god... 🙁
* most recently, God had sent His only Begotten Son to save His people... but people never believed... Christ was God's last ditch effort... and up to now, the Spirit of Christ is still here... Christ had commanded His disciples this...
"Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you : and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the consummation of the ages. Amen."
Matthew 28:20
* Christ told His disciples to teach the people to observe all things He had commanded them... so what did the disciples do?
"If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord ."
I Corinthians 14:37
* the disciples, from example: Saint Paul, wrote them... so God and Christ is still preaching unto us their word of salvation through the Holy Bible... 😉
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Post Flawed Questions about God.
Originally posted by peejayd
* in my humble perception, that is the greatness of God... He has the power to create things out of nowhere... but how did evil slip in? it is because God had granted all His rational creatures the power of freedom, or should i say, the power of free will... 😉* let us face it, bro... we cannot enjoy life here on earth without the power of free will that God had granted us... we have the power to choose right or wrong... let us not forget what Saint Paul said about how God loves His people and how He wants us all to be with Him forever...
"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Who will have all men to be saved , and to come unto the knowledge of the truth."
I Timothy 2:3-4* God had given us the power of free will even if that may lead us to evil, however He never leaves us without someone who will lead us to salvation... God had sent good men, prophets, angels and even His only Begotten Son - Christ to save us from whatever potentially evil we may lead ourselves to... 😉
* nope, bro... God is more open to the prophets in old times... for example, God Himself gave the tablets of commandments to Moses so when the Israelites had turned from God and worshipped idols and graven images, God abandoned them because of the fact that He had done so much for them, He literally split an entire ocean to saved them and what did the Israelites did in return? they worshipped a different god... 🙁
* most recently, God had sent His only Begotten Son to save His people... but people never believed... Christ was God's last ditch effort... and up to now, the Spirit of Christ is still here... Christ had commanded His disciples this...
"Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you : and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the consummation of the ages. Amen."
Matthew 28:20* Christ told His disciples to teach the people to observe all things He had commanded them... so what did the disciples do?
"If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord ."
I Corinthians 14:37* the disciples, from example: Saint Paul, wrote them... so God and Christ is still preaching unto us their word of salvation through the Holy Bible... 😉
1. I don't get how God could be absolved from the creation of evil which results from free will if he created free will.
2. I don't get how God would talk to older prophets, but today he's apparently gone mute.
3. Where were these protectors, angels, and "good men" when entire cities of innocent people, including women and children, were razed and burned or enslaved under conquerers such as Alexander, Caesar, Stalin, Hitler, and so on? Where was God's divine grace when entire races of people were displaced or subjugated, when over 400,000 women were victims of systematic rape in Asia following a war? Where was God's protection when Hiroshima was wiped off of the map?
Like I demonstrated in another thread, it is difficult to believe that a good, powerful, and loving God would allow anything at all to happen to his children, unless he was actually indifferent, petty, or not there at all.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Post Flawed Questions about God.
Originally posted by Janus Marius
1. I don't get how God could be absolved from the creation of evil which results from free will if he created free will.
* God did not create evil... evil is manifested if the free will is used against God... 😉
"But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully ;"
I Timothy 1:8
* see... by logic: free will is good if used rightfully... if free will is used wrongly, evil will emerge... 😉
Originally posted by Janus Marius
2. I don't get how God would talk to older prophets, but today he's apparently gone mute.
* no, He is not...
"God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son , whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;"
Hebrews 1:1-2
* through Christ, God spoke... the disciple wrote epistles, God spoke... read the Bible, God speaks... 😉
Originally posted by Janus Marius
3. Where were these protectors, angels, and "good men" when entire cities of innocent people, including women and children, were razed and burned or enslaved under conquerers such as Alexander, Caesar, Stalin, Hitler, and so on? Where was God's divine grace when entire races of people were displaced or subjugated, when over 400,000 women were victims of systematic rape in Asia following a war? Where was God's protection when Hiroshima was wiped off of the map?
* read this...
"That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust ."
Matthew 5:45
* God is justice, there is judgment for all people on the very last day... 😉
Originally posted by Janus Marius
Like I demonstrated in another thread, it is difficult to believe that a good, powerful, and loving God would allow anything at all to happen to his children, unless he was actually indifferent, petty, or not there at all.
* don't blame God for evil things... does good things occur or not? but do people realize that good things came from God?
"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above , and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning."
James 1:17
* good things occur, people take it for granted... evil things occur, people blame God... now that's kinda biased, wasn't it... 😕
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Post Flawed Questions about God.
Originally posted by peejayd
* God did not create evil... evil is manifested if the free will is used against God... 😉"But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully ;"
I Timothy 1:8* see... by logic: free will is good if used rightfully... if free will is used wrongly, evil will emerge... 😉
You don't get it- God makes free will. Free will spawns evil. You'd like to believe that evil just... is plucked out of a void (Since it didn't originate with God like the rest of creation) by the concept of free will. But what you fail to address is that God MADE free will possible, he allows it to be possible. Ergo, he is directly responsible for evil in this world, according to your own argument.
* no, He is not..."God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son , whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;"
Hebrews 1:1-2* through Christ, God spoke... the disciple wrote epistles, God spoke... read the Bible, God speaks... 😉
Yes, because the Bible can prove its own validity by simply saying "We were divinely inspired". Please.
* read this..."That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust ."
Matthew 5:45* God is justice, there is judgment for all people on the very last day... 😉
What God allows his children to come to harm and suffering? Why postpone judgment until the last day? Why not prevent harm and serve the most pure and good purpose there is- protection from or elimination of evil entirely? Why would God waffle on this?
* don't blame God for evil things... does good things occur or not? but do people realize that good things came from God?"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above , and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning."
James 1:17* good things occur, people take it for granted... evil things occur, people blame God... now that's kinda biased, wasn't it... 😕 [/B]
On the contrary- good things happen, people attribute it to God. Bad things happen, people say "don't blame God". Last I checked God was supposively the creator of all things, the surpreme judge, all good and all powerful. How can he be all those things if he allows evil to take place? You have not answered my questions with anything more than selective scripture and blind faith. Come back to me when you finally examine your own stance.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Post Flawed Questions about God.
Originally posted by Janus Marius
You don't get it- God makes free will. Free will spawns evil. You'd like to believe that evil just... is plucked out of a void (Since it didn't originate with God like the rest of creation) by the concept of free will. But what you fail to address is that God MADE free will possible, he allows it to be possible. Ergo, he is directly responsible for evil in this world, according to your own argument.
* you just said it... God allows it to happen... but still, evil never, ever originated from God... free will does not directly and not automatically spawns evil... use free will rightfully and the result is good... 😉
Originally posted by Janus Marius
Yes, because the Bible can prove its own validity by simply saying "We were divinely inspired". Please.
* then quote a verse that seemed wrong... to you... 😕
Originally posted by Janus Marius
What God allows his children to come to harm and suffering? Why postpone judgment until the last day? Why not prevent harm and serve the most pure and good purpose there is- protection from or elimination of evil entirely? Why would God waffle on this?
* is that what makes God evil in your eyes? well, looky here...
"But Jesus said, Suffer little children , and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven ."
Matthew 19:14
* infants, children... they are innocent... whatever happens, they are automatically saved... 😉
Originally posted by Janus Marius
On the contrary- good things happen, people attribute it to God. Bad things happen, people say "don't blame God". Last I checked God was supposively the creator of all things, the surpreme judge, all good and all powerful. How can he be all those things if he allows evil to take place? You have not answered my questions with anything more than selective scripture and blind faith. Come back to me when you finally examine your own stance.
* last time i checked, you are ranting how God cared while many children died from war, chaos... last time i checked, God was the one being blamed... last time i checked, God was being depicted as a hypocrite, tyrant, greedy...
* God gave people a gift of freedom... you do have freedom... use it nicely, no evil will emerge... why blame God? why not blame the people who use free will wrongly? are you a chicken? blaming Someone who's supposed not to react? i feel sorry for you... 🙁
* remember this... God allows evil... but God is wise... He can turn it upside-down if you cooperate... read this...
"Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life , which the Lord hath promised to them that love him."
James 1:12
* God allows people to be tempted, when you endured the temptation, you will be rewarded... get a life... blaming God will not help you mature... read the Bible... 😉
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Post Flawed Questions about God.
Originally posted by peejayd
* you just said it... God allows it to happen... but still, evil never, ever originated from God... free will does not directly and not automatically spawns evil... use free will rightfully and the result is good... 😉
Perhaps you just can't think outside of the box. God MAKES free will according to the Bible (Which is actually contradicted by other pieces of stripture that point to God's will in all things and predestination). You then go on to argue that free will produces this evil. Well... who the hell made the evil possible? Who's not stopping the evil? Who's apparently somehow absolved of all responsibility just because... he's God?
* then quote a verse that seemed wrong... to you... 😕
I am not engaging in Scripture wars. I have an argument, and you cannot address it apparently because you refuse to leave that blanket of security.
* is that what makes God evil in your eyes? well, looky here..."But Jesus said, Suffer little children , and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven ."
Matthew 19:14* infants, children... they are innocent... whatever happens, they are automatically saved... 😉
Yes. Tell that to the mother of a child who's raped and killed by age two. I'd love to see her response to your faith that god protects and saves innocent children. Also, tell it to the children who are raised in abusive households. Tell it to the starving babies in Africa. Instead of insisting there's some righteous paradise in the afterlife because a stupid book says it, why don't you step back and realize that this all good, all mighty God of yours is letting us suffer, even the children.
* last time i checked, you are ranting how God cared while many children died from war, chaos... last time i checked, God was the one being blamed... last time i checked, God was being depicted as a hypocrite, tyrant, greedy...
Miss the point again? Shouldn't surprise me. God cannot be all good if he allows evil to exist. If God was a lifeguard, and he told Us (a child, let's say) not to go into the water because it's dangerous, and we go anyways, would he be allowed to sit there and go "Well, I gave them free will!"? No! Don't be daft. All this pseudobullshit posturing and scripture reciting doesn't address the ethical problems I am putting forth.
* God gave people a gift of freedom... you do have freedom... use it nicely, no evil will emerge... why blame God? why not blame the people who use free will wrongly? are you a chicken? blaming Someone who's supposed not to react? i feel sorry for you... 🙁
Don't feel sorry for me in your web of ignorance, Peejayd. I absolute hate it when Christians - who don't even bother to examine the validity of their own religion - start to express "Sympathy" for anyone who doesn't believe.
Now... rhetoric aside, how does God giving freedom of people to do evil absolve God from letting evil take place? Or is that too complex an ethical question for you?
* remember this... God allows evil... but God is wise... He can turn it upside-down if you cooperate... read this..."Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life , which the Lord hath promised to them that love him."
James 1:12* God allows people to be tempted, when you endured the temptation, you will be rewarded... get a life... blaming God will not help you mature... read the Bible... 😉
Yes, because James is God's mouthpiece. And of course that book survived the times, unmolested, unedited, completely intact and proper to God's command. Yes. Faith in the Bible, not in Christ. I see it entirely.
Let me ask you this...
Would Jesus Christ accept the suffering of children in our world today as a trial? Would Jesus Christ believe that when God of the Old Testament flooded the earth, cast out Adam and Eve, and destroyed Soddom and Gamorah that it was a just punishment? Would Jesus Christ behave exactly as God apparently did?
Or could it be that simply mindlessly parroting the Bible is missing the entire point. If you profess to be a real Christian, then you adhere to the teachings and principles of Christ- compassion, love, understanding forgiveness.... God does not apparently demonstrate these principles to his own creations, nor his own supposed son. I fail to see how you can hold such blind faith when all you have in front of you is a book and a warm fuzzy feeling from chanting.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Post Flawed Questions about God.
Originally posted by Janus Marius
Perhaps you just can't think outside of the box. God MAKES free will according to the Bible (Which is actually contradicted by other pieces of stripture that point to God's will in all things and predestination). You then go on to argue that free will produces this evil. Well... who the hell made the evil possible? Who's not stopping the evil? Who's apparently somehow absolved of all responsibility just because... he's God?
* and you can't think inside the box... 😛
* and? what do you want to do? bet you a dollar, in your hour of extreme pain or failure, you'll call God for help... yes, you're a not just a hater, you're a hypocrite too... 😉
Originally posted by Janus Marius
I am not engaging in Scripture wars. I have an argument, and you cannot address it apparently because you refuse to leave that blanket of security.
* you are refusing to leave YOUR blanket of security... i'm asking you to prove your point... give a verse that's wrong in your perception... or is it too complex for a hater like you? 😉
Originally posted by Janus Marius
Yes. Tell that to the mother of a child who's raped and killed by age two. I'd love to see her response to your faith that god protects and saves innocent children. Also, tell it to the children who are raised in abusive households. Tell it to the starving babies in Africa. Instead of insisting there's some righteous paradise in the afterlife because a stupid book says it, why don't you step back and realize that this all good, all mighty God of yours is letting us suffer, even the children.
* now this is stupidity... a two-year old child was raped, you didn't blame it on the rapist, you blamed God... children raised in abusive households, you didn't blame the culprit, you blamed God... starving babies in Africa, you didn't blame their government, or their people, you blamed God... yeah, you really are a hater... 😉
Originally posted by Janus Marius
Miss the point again? Shouldn't surprise me. God cannot be all good if he allows evil to exist. If God was a lifeguard, and he told Us (a child, let's say) not to go into the water because it's dangerous, and we go anyways, would he be allowed to sit there and go "Well, I gave them free will!"? No! Don't be daft. All this pseudobullshit posturing and scripture reciting doesn't address the ethical problems I am putting forth.
* two things, might happen... you'll drown or you'll not drown... if you drown, you blame God... if you don't, what? lucky you? give me a break, you ungrateful hater... 😉
Originally posted by Janus Marius
Don't feel sorry for me in your web of ignorance, Peejayd. I absolute hate it when Christians - who don't even bother to examine the validity of their own religion - start to express "Sympathy" for anyone who doesn't believe.
* nah... kidding aside, Janus... i really pity you... 😉
Originally posted by Janus Marius
Now... rhetoric aside, how does God giving freedom of people to do evil absolve God from letting evil take place? Or is that too complex an ethical question for you?
* gifts aren't supposed to kill you, it's supposed to satisfy your needs... your mom gives you a cellphone as a present, then you got robbed and stabbed because of it, you blame your mom? please... get out of the freakin' blanket... 😕
Originally posted by Janus Marius
Yes, because James is God's mouthpiece. And of course that book survived the times, unmolested, unedited, completely intact and proper to God's command. Yes. Faith in the Bible, not in Christ. I see it entirely.Let me ask you this...
Would Jesus Christ accept the suffering of children in our world today as a trial? Would Jesus Christ believe that when God of the Old Testament flooded the earth, cast out Adam and Eve, and destroyed Soddom and Gamorah that it was a just punishment? Would Jesus Christ behave exactly as God apparently did?
* yes, because even Christ Himself suffered... yes, because it was really a punishment... 😉
* sounds hypocritical for someone to cite Christ as an example, erstwhile badmouthing His Father... 😉
Originally posted by Janus Marius
Or could it be that simply mindlessly parroting the Bible is missing the entire point. If you profess to be a real Christian, then you adhere to the teachings and principles of Christ- compassion, love, understanding forgiveness.... God does not apparently demonstrate these principles to his own creations, nor his own supposed son. I fail to see how you can hold such blind faith when all you have in front of you is a book and a warm fuzzy feeling from chanting.
* YOU fail to understand thing and is obviously beyond your comprehension... i can gladly explain it to you of you can accept... however, the way i read your posts... you are the blind-boy, not me... 😉
^^ 😂
Probably 60% proof wine too...........Also, Jesus never said to not drink. Even Paul said, to paraphrase "Eat first before I come, so you will not be drunk"...........
you just said it... God allows it to happen... but still, evil never, ever originated from God...What do you mean? God created all things visible and invisible...........god created evil...."All things for his good pleasure"