Parallax vs. Dark Phoenix

Galactus states what hes doing. Roma refers to what hes doing. Both stating that hes separating the Force from Rachel.

The Force emanates from Rachel in line with those references.

The art is against you as are the statements.

Galactus' words about what hes doing are greater than your opinion on the matter.

It is said her spirit cant be separated from her flesh.It is then said that Rachels being is of the natural order.

Death says Galactus' actions are breaking the eternal pattern. What is Galactus doing? According to Galactus and according to Roma hes separating the Force from Rachel.

What are the consequences of breaking this eternal pattern?

According to the Watcher "Ultimate extinction"

Once again. In light of Galactus and Romas commenst actually illustrating what Galactus is doing, youre wrong to try and say he was erasing Phoenix just because the stars were going out. Especially when a reason is given for the stars going out, which was that Galactus was violating the natural order of Rachels being and as Death clarified he was breaking an eternal pattern.

Find me a conclusive reference stating that the Force was being erased or that it was dying or give up this farce 😆

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Galactus states what hes doing. Roma refers to what hes doing. Both stating that hes separating the Force from Rachel.

Not true.

Galactus said that, and that was his INTENTION, but Roma told him he could NOT separate the Phoenix from Rachel because,

"THAT CHILD (Rachel Summers) IS PHOENIX, Living Embodiment of ONE of the Primal Forces, you can no more divide her spirit from flesh than you can life from death, there is a natural order to her being, (EXISTENCE) as to yours, and all creation,

violate at you peril"

"Violate" what?

"The Natural Order of Rachel/Phoenix's being" (EXISTENCE)

Death says,

"and FROM that DEATH (Obliterate an entire Cosmos) bring about New Life (SPARK the Big Bang) but you're CHANGING that, BREAKING the ETERNAL PATTERN"

There it is clearly put,

The STARS were going OUT, and the Big Bang was threatened with no one to SPARK it (Phoenix)

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The Force emanates from Rachel in line with those references.
The art is against you as are the statements.
Galactus' words about what hes doing are greater than your opinion on the matter.It is said her spirit cant be separated from her flesh.It is then said that Rachels being is of the natural order.
Death says Galactus' actions are breaking the eternal pattern. What is Galactus doing? According to Galactus and according to Roma hes separating the Force from Rachel. What are the consequences of breaking this eternal pattern?
According to the Watcher "Ultimate extinction"Once again. In light of Galactus and Romas commenst actually illustrating what Galactus is doing, youre wrong to try and say he was erasing Phoenix just because the stars were going out. Especially when a reason is given for the stars going out, which was that Galactus was violating the natural order of Rachels being and as Death clarified he was breaking an eternal pattern.

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This just about sums it up:

I invite anyone to pick up a copy of Excaliber #61 and read it for yourself.

AGAIN:

If the machine was only going to "return it to the cosmos" ...WHY were the Stars going out? dontgetit

"Galactus the Stars, they are going out"

Then Roma says,

"THAT CHILD (Rachel Summers) IS PHOENIX, Living Embodiment of ONE of the Primal Forces, you can no more divide her spirit from flesh than you can life from death, there is a natural order to her being, as to yours, and all creation"

It seems Roma meant Phoenix couldn't be killed no matter what, but the next panel clarifies that for us.

Roma then says,

"violate at your own peril"

Galactus then says,
"my sustenance is living Planets, the Phoenix can Obliterate an entire Cosmos"

Then Mistress or in this case "Mr" Death responds with,
"and FROM that DEATH (Obliterate an entire Cosmos) bring about New Life (SPARK the Big Bang) but you're CHANGING that, BREAKING the ETERNAL PATTERN"

So the "Eternal Pattern" is Phoenix Force's ROLE in the Universe, to exist as the "SUSTENANCE of the STARS"

and cyclically SPARK the Big Bang which "Obliterates a Cosmos and brings about New Life"

SO the bottomline is,

the ETERNAL PATTERN was going to be BROKEN, and the STARS were GOING OUT.

How can anyone argue that Phoenix wasn't being ERASED from existence?

No wait, if you "return the Phoenix Force to the Cosmos" the Stars will go out and it will decide not to Spark the Big Bang anymore.

I don't get it, your telling me that Phoneix can't perform its duties in its Natural State?

So the Phoenix must be within Rachel to fuction as a Primal Force?

I thought Jean was the ultimate bond between Phoenix and host?

????

hum

When the WATCHER & DEATH said this to Galactus,

"Is that your wish Galactus? ... to condemn the cosmos to ultimate extinction, and yourself to an Eternity in an Infinite Void, can even you endure such desolation?"

"unless that's what you really want? ... You've handed so many over to my care, why not lay down your burdens, and JOIN them?"

Galactus responds with,

"I am Supreme unto myself, I will NOT be bound Reaper, by Entity or Concept"

Watcher says,

"Yet Phoenix LIVES"

Galactus responds,

"FOR the PRESSENT ... the day is yours Starchilde, and with it, an AWARENESS of YOUR ROLE (the ETERNAL PATTERN) in the Scheme of things"

The ETERNAL PATTERN, is Phoenix's ROLE in the Universe, Galactus was going to END that PATTERN by ERASING the Phoenix Force from existence.

It's so obvious, but not to an intransigent individual.

yawn

NO REPOSTS!! 😖hifty:

JUST a conclusive reference saying that the Phoenix Force is being erased from existence or similarly being killed as you claim.

As far as we're being told as far as is actually being depicted, the stars are fading out because Galactus is disrupting nature hes separating Rachel from the Force as both Galactus said he was doing

and as Roma referred to:

"You can no more divide her spirit from her flesh than you can life from death.Their is a natural order to her being as to yours and all creation."

We're told her bond with Phoenix is of the natural order.

Roma says to Galactus "Violate it at your peril"

Galactus makes excuses comparing his scale of destruction to Phoenixes and Death points out that Phoenixes comes with benefits. "And from that death bring about new life"

Death goes on to say that Galactus is breaking an eternal pattern.

How is Galactus doing that. What did Galactus say he was doing and what did Roma refer to?

His attempt to separate Rachel from the Force. The disruption of that bond is what was causing the stars to fade out and what could eventually as the Watcher said bring about "Ultimate extiction"

Mr Master not satisfied with that explanation even though its the one actually given on panel, fabricates a BS story about Phoenix being erased from existence.

GAME OVER 👇

Excalibur 61 addresses the Phoenixes nature. How its manifestation of a sentience within the universe caused it to absorb the energy reserved for future generations. So what exactly does that have to do with this story? 😕

What link are you going to fabricate? 😖hifty:

What can you credibly come up with when Galactus states what hes doing, The stars start fading AND WITH THAT Galactus' actions (the attempted separation) are referred to as folly with Roma refering to whats going on in front of her eyes and its in line with what he said he was going to do (separate Rachel from the Force) 🙂

Her bond is described as part of the natural order.
"You can no more divide her spirit from her flesh than you can life from death.Their is a natural order to her being as to yours and all creation."

Death refers to Galactus' actions as breaking the eternal pattern and the Watcher afterwards says this will lead to a lifeless void. 🙂

The art depicts the Force emanating from Rachel. 🙂

NOWHERE is the Force stated to be being erased from existence or dying. NOWHERE on that page is the Force really referred to. Its all in terms of Rachel and her connection.

The next page. Watcher says "Yet Phoenix lives" and then Galactus starts talking to Rachel and referring to HER destiny as Phoenix.

If anyone was going to die it was Phoenix(Rachel), however nothing was EVER stated about the Force dying.

SHEER FABRICATION

PURE SPECULATION.

BIASED shit

I think thats enough for now.

Any posts which dont contain a statement from Excalibur 25 pertaining to the Force being erased from existence or dying as laughably claimed will be ignored.

Good luck! 🙂

It was fun! 😉

GS signing out! 😱

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
As far as we're being told as far as is actually being depicted, the stars are fading out because Galactus is disrupting nature hes separating Rachel from the Force as both Galactus said he was doing

It was Galactus' INTENTION to JUST separate the Force form Rachel, but MORE than that happened when he began to SEPARATE,

Galactus quickly learned from Roma that could NOT be done.

"THAT CHILD (Rachel Summers) IS PHOENIX, Living Embodiment of ONE of the Primal Forces, you can no more divide her spirit from flesh than you can life from death, there is a natural order to her being, (EXISTENCE) as to yours, and all creation"

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
and as Roma referred to:

"You can no more divide her spirit from her flesh than you can life from death.Their is a natural order to her being as to yours and all creation."

We're told her bond with Phoenix is of the natural order.

Really?

So WHY did Roma say,

"there IS A natural order to her being, AS TO YOURS, and ALL Creation"

I guess Galactus is bonded to the Phoenix Force too. 😆

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Death goes on to say that Galactus is breaking an eternal pattern.

How is Galactus doing that. What did Galactus say he was doing and what did Roma refer to?

His attempt to separate Rachel from the Force. The disruption of that bond is what was causing the stars to fade out and what could eventually as the Watcher said bring about "Ultimate extiction"

Bullshit

Roma NEVER said the Eternal Pattern was Phoenix's bond to Rachel.

Twisting text is common for you but I always catch you.

Roma said,

"THAT CHILD (Rachel Summers) IS PHOENIX, Living Embodiment of ONE of the Primal Forces, you can no more divide her spirit from flesh than you can life from death, there is a natural order to her being, (EXISTENCE) as to yours, and all creation"

In other words, if you TRY and separate the two, you'll end up KILLING both.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Mr Master not satisfied with that explanation even though its the one actually given on panel, fabricates a BS story about Phoenix being erased from existence.

GAME OVER

Always claiming his own victories.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Excalibur 61 addresses the Phoenixes nature. How its manifestation of a sentience within the universe caused it to absorb the energy reserved for future generations. So what exactly does that have to do with this story?

I meant Excalibur #25 A hole.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
SHEER FABRICATION

No Galactic Storm, this is FABRICATION:

This is definitely the biggest BETRAYAL of trust ever committed on KMC forums

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I forgot to mention how Xmen Forever clearly depicts how one wielding the phoenix power becomes supreme over creation. With enough power to humble LT even:

He even threw in an extra close up

He CUT OUT the STRANGER from the Scan to make it appear as though they are bowing to JEAN.

The REAL Scan:

Told you,

talk shit

your card gets pulled.

Well, turns out everyone was flinging my name arund like it's a magic wand while I was gone. that's good for the ego.

Shall I clarify matters?

I Have no clue if GS intentionally left the Stranger out of the scans. I DEFINATLY remember him saying quite specifically that the abstracts were bowing to Phoenix, which would support an intentional fabrication. It's possible that he took two pics, then saw what a good position it put him in, and never took another.

It's equaly possible that GS read more into that scan then most people do. If you want to see something, you see it. I know that experience.

But this is beside the point, because I only implied that GS fabricated those scan s because otherwise you'd badmouth me for the rest of the thread.

cut out?

lets get back to parallax vs dark phoenix.

Originally posted by qqqqqqq
lets get back to parallax vs dark phoenix.

i enjoy learning 🙂

The only guy who thinks Phoenix wins is GalacticStorm.
There are some reasons for it.
1.He thinks that nothing can beat or destroy the Phoenix
2.He is a fanboy.
3.He has never ever admitted that Phoenix would lose to someone in a versus forum match.

I cant understand why there's so many discussion in this topic 🙁

Originally posted by Anonimator
I cant understand why there's so many discussion in this topic 🙁

Originally posted by guy222
i enjoy learning 🙂

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
The only guy who thinks Phoenix wins is GalacticStorm.
There are some reasons for it.
1.He thinks that nothing can beat or destroy the Phoenix
2.He is a fanboy.
3.He has never ever admitted that Phoenix would lose to someone in a versus forum match.

^^ Quoted for Truth. GS was clearly shown a scan which stated that the stars were going out, and yet somehow manages to deny it, even though the proof is right there, for everybody to see. It clearly states that Galactus was draining the life force of the Phoenix itself. It also pretty clearly states that he was trying to separate the force from the host, but that was not working. I don't know how much more obvious it can be.

doh

Originally posted by Mr Master
It was Galactus' INTENTION to JUST separate the Force form Rachel, but MORE than that happened when he began to SEPARATE,

Galactus quickly learned from Roma that could NOT be done.

"THAT CHILD (Rachel Summers) IS PHOENIX, Living Embodiment of ONE of the Primal Forces, you can no more divide her spirit from flesh than you can life from death, there is a natural order to her being, (EXISTENCE) as to yours, and all creation"

Youre correct. It was Galactus' intention to separate the Force from Rachel, thats what he said he was going to do and thats what Roma later cautioned him against doing.

What youre wrong in doing is assuming that because the stars were going that Galactus was killing the Force or wiping it out of existence. That is not stated anywhere on panel and neither is it depicted. You are just seeing what you want to see on panel, you are not relaying what is just stated clear as day for all to see and that is why your argument is a flop.

The stars started fading because Galactus was disrupting nature by severing the bond between Phoenix and its avatar.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Really?

So WHY did Roma say,

"there IS A natural order to her being, AS TO YOURS, and ALL Creation"

I guess Galactus is bonded to the Phoenix Force too. 😆

No offence my young friend but is English your second language? 😕 How you picked up that meaning from Romas statement i really dont know.

Let me break it down for you so you can see why your attempt to mock is ever so silly because it springs from your ignorance.

"There is a natural order to her being" Rachels being, her bond with the Force is part of the natural order.

"As to yours" Just like Galactus' being is part of the natural order

"And all creation" Just like there a natural order to creation itself.

Romas basically saying that Rachel in her role as a host for the Phoenix Force is as much a part of the natural of scheme of things as Galactus and as creation itself.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Bullshit

Roma NEVER said the Eternal Pattern was Phoenix's bond to Rachel.

Twisting text is common for you but I always catch you.

Never said that Roma said that. Read and comprehend before firing off.

Roma said:

"You can no more divide her spirit from flesh than you can life from death, there is a natural order to her being as to yours, and all creation"

In other words he cant separate Rachel from the Force as that bond is as much a part of the natural order of things as both Galactus and creation itself.

Roma then says "Violate it (said bond she talked of) at your peril"

Galactus then tries to justify his actions

"My sustenance is living planets, the Phoenix can obliterate an entire cosmos"

by saying he only eats planets while Phoenix can destroy the cosmos.

Death talks about the benefits of the Phoenix "And from that death bring about new life."

Death then berates Galactus' actions as Roma did "But youre changing that, breaking the eternal pattern"

How is Galactus doing that? What did Galactus say the machine was doing?

Seperating the Force from Rachel and returning it to the universe.

AFTER the stars started fading did Roma criticize Galactus for killing or erasing the Force or did she merely berate him for separating the Force from Rachel?

"You can no more divide her spirit from flesh than you can life from death"

Thats what i thought.

Why?

"there is a natural order to her being"

Precisely.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Roma said,

"THAT CHILD (Rachel Summers) IS PHOENIX, Living Embodiment of ONE of the Primal Forces, you can no more divide her spirit from flesh than you can life from death, there is a natural order to her being, (EXISTENCE) as to yours, and all creation"

In other words, if you TRY and separate the two, you'll end up KILLING both.

More fabrication. Where is that stated or even suggested in that quote from the comic. WHERE does it say the Force is going to die or be erased from existence through Galactus' attempts to separate the two?

You're only trying to run with that unsupported line of argument because the stars were faded, despite the fact that AFTER that started to happen Roma berated Galactus for being silly enough to separate the two BECAUSE her being is as much a part of nature as Galactus or creation itself. Hence the reason why the stars were fading. Because Galactus was disrupting that natural bond.

As death said "breaking that eternal pattern"

Originally posted by Mr Master
Always claiming his own victories.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

I know my argument is the correct one in this case because im just relating whats ACTUALLY stated and depicted on panel and NOT speculating and making up theories because i dont like the on panel explanation given as it doesnt support my agenda to demean the Force as much as possible.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I meant Excalibur #25 A hole.

Dont hate me for your f*ck up junior 😂

Originally posted by Mr Master
No Galactic Storm, this is FABRICATION:

This is definitely the biggest BETRAYAL of trust ever committed on KMC forums

He even threw in an extra close up

He CUT OUT the STRANGER from the Scan to make it appear as though they are bowing to JEAN.

The REAL Scan:

Told you,

talk shit

your card gets pulled.

Once again, posted as a substitute for debate because i have you whupped on that front. 🙂

KK was around at that time when i first posted the scans and he vouched that the scans were segmented like that because they were taken with a camera phone.

He stated that i posted the close up of LT because some debators were trying to say it wasnt LT.

So with that in mind all your claims that i edited the scans go down the drain. Anyone involved in those first debates many many months before your registration can vouch for that account. 🙂

You can mock me for my previous interpretation of said scans if you wish, however what you cannot do is LIE and FABRICATE a story about me doctoring scans to make my point when

a) You werent there when they were first posted IN CONTEXT

b) You have someone who was around at the time vouching for why the scans were segmented like they are.

If you cant debate anymore, then step out of the ring junior.

Dont sink so low as to make up storys to demean me as a debator. 😬

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
The only guy who thinks Phoenix wins is GalacticStorm.
There are some reasons for it.
1.He thinks that nothing can beat or destroy the Phoenix
2.He is a fanboy.
3.He has never ever admitted that Phoenix would lose to someone in a versus forum match.

1) Not the only one who thinks so. Yeah a majority may side with Parallax, but that doesnt necessarily mean theyre right. If the most popular opinion was always the correct one then Wolverine can beat Lobo, Storm can beat Wonder Woman. 🙄

2) Says the victim who sides with any and everyone who oppose me cos i shattered his delusions about how great Juggernaut is 😂

3) I have indeed. You just choose to ignore said instances because painting me as some deluded, irrational fanboy makes it a lot easier for you to discount the multitude of spaniings ive delivered to your oaf of a person 😱