Parallax vs. Dark Phoenix

No need for a long drawn out reply when the short and sweet will suffice.

Galactus stated straight up that his machine was just going to separate the force from Rachel forcibly returning the Force from its host back to the cosmos:

When he began to do so with his machine the stars, started fading:

The Force utilizes avatars to carry out its work within reality:

By forcibly separating its anchor to the physical world Galactus was breaking this eternal pattern. THAT was what it was referring to. Nothing was mentioned about the Force dying whatsoever. Nothing. Phoenix/Rachel could have potentially died from the separation, but not the Force, the Force can never die. Its death wasnt referred to, only the pain being inflicted on Phoenix and the damage Galactus' actions, (his forceful separation of the Force from that which it uses to act on the physical plane) were causing to reality.

Your claims are fabrication.

Find a comment depicting the death of the Phoenix Force due to Galactus' actiosn or stand revealed as the living embodiment of BULLshit

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
open? what do you mean?

For which I said:

For which YOU said:

I take that as a "You can never join" sort of thing 🙁

Ahhh , but time has passed ! Teh chaos has subsided , your not causing people to be Irate (as funny as it was) and my team are docile. You'll need to get a yes from...oh let's say 3 of them. Then I can administer a test.

How about that 😄

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
No need for a long drawn out reply when the short and sweet will suffice.

Galactus stated straight up that his machine was just going to separate the force from Rachel forcibly returning the Force from its host back to the cosmos:

😂

Yes, I already said that.

Galactus's INTENTION was to separate the Phoenix Force from Rachel Summers to return it to the Cosmos.

WHAT Galactus DID NOT KNOW was what ROMA told him:

So what are you trying to prove?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
By forcibly separating its anchor to the physical world Galactus was breaking this eternal pattern. THAT was what it was referring to. Nothing was mentioned about the Force dying whatsoever. Nothing. Phoenix/Rachel could have potentially died from the separation, but not the Force, the Force can never die. Its death wasnt referred to, only the pain being inflicted on Phoenix and the damage Galactus' actions, (his forceful separation of the Force from that which it uses to act on the physical plane) were causing to reality.

Expected.

Your trying to wiggle your way around the FACT.

If the machine was only going to "return it to the cosmos" ...WHY were the Stars going out? dontgetit

"Galactus the Stars, they are going out"

Then Roma says,

"THAT CHILD (Rachel Summers) IS PHOENIX, Living Embodiment of ONE of the Primal Forces, you can no more divide her spirit from flesh than you can life from death, there is a natural order to her being, as to yours, and all creation"

It seems Roma meant Phoenix couldn't be killed no matter what, but the next panel clarifies that for us.

Roma then says,

"violate at your own peril"

Galactus then says,
"my sustenance is living Planets, the Phoenix can Obliterate an entire Cosmos"

Then Mistress or in this case "Mr" Death responds with,
"and FROM that DEATH (Obliterate an entire Cosmos) bring about New Life (SPARK the Big Bang) but you're CHANGING that, BREAKING the ETERNAL PATTERN"

So the "Eternal Pattern" is Phoenix Force's ROLE in the Universe, to exist as the "SUSTENANCE of the STARS"

and cyclically SPARK the Big Bang which "Obliterates a Cosmos and brings about New Life"

SO the bottomline is,

the ETERNAL PATTERN was going to be BROKEN, and the STARS were GOING OUT.

How can anyone argue that Phoenix wasn't being ERASED from existence?

No wait, if you "return the Phoenix Force to the Cosmos" the Stars will go out and it will decide not to Spark the Big Bang anymore.

I don't get it, your telling me that Phoneix can't perform its duties in its Natural State?

So the Phoenix must be within Rachel to fuction as a Primal Force?

I thought Jean was the ultimate bond between Phoenix and host?

????

hum

Handled.

Originally posted by grey fox
Ahhh , but time has passed ! Teh chaos has subsided , your not causing people to be Irate (as funny as it was) and my team are docile. You'll need to get a yes from...oh let's say 3 of them. Then I can administer a test.

How about that 😄

Sounds like pure rock and roll.... but..... I still can't be Godzilla, can I... 🙁

What if I was the "Godzilla in Rick's mind's eye" 😄😄😄

Just kidding. I'll continue this Conversation in the right thread.

Originally posted by grey fox
Just great...ANOTHER thread where Mr Master and GS duke it out over whether or not Phoenix 'Held a universe in her hands' or some other overtly hyped up bullshit.

You know I'm pretty damn sick and tired , f*ck it. Parallax recreates existence but conveniently forgets to add Phoenix .

Done , dusted and with minimum fuss.

- Gf

Originally posted by Mr Master
stfu2

You won't "Johnnie Cochran" your way around this one duke. You wanted to post garbage well there's some of your own garbage.

I warned you, when you post lies and bullshit about me, I will pull your card.

And stop mentioning KK's account which does not help you in the least.
KK NEVER disputed you PLAYING yourself by deliberately fabricating the evidence to serve your Phoenix agenda.

And it has nothing to do with how your "interpretation" of the event has changed from now to when you were born,

simple and put, you tried to pull a fast one and got caught.

Pulled a fast one how? 😕

You claimed i doctored my scans to prove my interpretation.

My interpretation is completely understandable albeit one i no longer possess or abide by and your claim that i doctored the scans has been discounted by someone who was actually around at the time to know what they are talking about. 😉

You argued against me and got curbstomped. Running out of options you attempted to attack my credibility by quoting from a year old thread and fabricated a story about me doctoring evidence.

This fabrication is paraded everytime youre backed into a wall. Now that your salvation has been discounted youre desperately clinging. Its over. 😬

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Don't you get it Grey Fox Phoenix can't be destroyed. 😆

It can dammit ! IT CAN !!!

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Pulled a fast one how?

You claimed i doctored my scans to prove my interpretation.

My interpretation is completely understandable albeit one i no longer possess or abide by and your claim that i doctored the scans has been discounted by someone who was actually around at the time to know what they are talking about. You argued against me and got curbstomped. Running out of options you attempted to attack my credibility by quoting from a year old thread and fabricated a story about me doctoring evidence.

This fabrication is paraded everytime youre backed into a wall. Now that your salvation has been discounted youre desperately clinging. Its over.

sign23

You got caught son,

be a man and fess up and we might forgive you.

Stop talking so much shit for once in your life, and be real.

The "Eternal Pattern" is Phoenix's Role in the Universe, WITHOUT the Phoenix, this role cannot be performed.

And guess what?

Death and Galactus would survive, as would Eternity but without Stars.

"Is that your wish Galactus? ... to condemn the cosmos to ultimate extinction, and yourself to an Eternity in an Infinite Void, (so Galactus would SURVIVE) "can even you endure such desolation?" (only the existences that NEED Stars to survive would die)

Death is so cool when it says,

"unless that's what you really want? ... You've handed so many over to my care, why not lay down your burdens, and JOIN them?" (so Death SURVIVES too)

Finally Galactus releases the actual Phoenix Force and ALLOWS it to exist:

"yet the Phoenix lives"

"for the Present"

Had Galactus not freed the Phoenix Force with the click of that button, the Phoenix would have vanished into non-existence.

Originally posted by grey fox
It can dammit ! IT CAN !!!

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
The Entropy Rift caused by Parallax can destroy multiple universes but it can't destroy the Phoenix Force am I right Gs?

👆

The Universe can be destroyed the Multi-Verse can be destroyed the Omni-Verse can be destroyed but the Phoenix Force?
Nah.

Edit: I belive Gs is on a Hulk fanboy level except he has very good debating skills and he uses them.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
The Universe can be destroyed the Multi-Verse can be destroyed the Omni-Verse can be destroyed but the Phoenix Force?
Nah.

😂

😆

hysterical

hysterical2

rock and roll.

Originally posted by Mr Master
:
SO the bottomline is,

the ETERNAL PATTERN was going to be BROKEN, and the STARS were GOING OUT.

How can anyone argue that Phoenix wasn't being ERASED from existence?

No wait, if you "return the Phoenix Force to the Cosmos" the Stars will go out and it will decide not to Spark the Big Bang anymore.

I don't get it, your telling me that Phoneix can't perform its duties in its Natural State?

So the Phoenix must be within Rachel to fuction as a Primal Force?

I thought Jean was the ultimate bond between Phoenix and host?

????

hum

Handled.

Nowhere is it stated or depicted that the Force was being erased. Galactus said that all his machine was going to do is separate the Force from Rachel.

When Galactus started to do so the stars faded. The reason given:

That child is Phoenix. (Talking about Rachel)

Living embodiment of one of the primal forces. (The Phoenix Force)

You can no more divide her spirit from her flesh than you can life from death.Their is a natural order to her being (Rachel) as to yours and all creation.

Violate it (the bond between the Force and its host) at your peril.

Death refers to Galactus attempt at disrupting that natural order (the separation of Rachel from the Force) as the breaking of an eternal pattern.

Eternal pattern? 😕

The Forces manifestation on the physical plane within hosts to carry out its work:

NOWHERE. Is it stated that the Force would die.

Only that the separation of Force from Rachel was against the natural order and that it was a breaking of an eternal pattern and as a result the universe would be left a void.

Originally posted by Mr Master
😂

😆

hysterical

hysterical2

My sentiments exactly.

Originally posted by Mr Master
sign23

You got caught son,

be a man and fess up and we might forgive you.

Stop talking so much shit for once in your life, and be real.

Got caught out how? 😕

KK has just discounted your lies that i doctored the scans to prove my interpretation. So the game is up im afraid. 😄

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
The Entropy Rift caused by Parallax can destroy multiple universes but it can't destroy the Phoenix Force am I right Gs?

You got a problem with the concept then take it up with the writers. By canon the Phoenix Force CANNOT be destroyed. It can be channeled, it can be absorbed it can be shattered and dispersed, but the Force just cant deny. The point is stated on panel and in the bios.

In light of that me stating exactly whats said and depicted officially does not make me a fanboy. You're persistence in trying to paint me as one after yet another flop attempt to out debate me just makes you a very sore loser 🙁

Got caught out how? confused

KK has just discounted your lies that i doctored the scans to prove my interpretation. So the game is up im afraid.

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
Was that what it means?

I thought that meant.

My point changed because I was wrong a long time ago. Mr. Master pointed this out by posting many scans disputing my points. [b]My viewpoints have been rendered irrelevant and futile..... oh... and 🙂 [/B]

What it means is that i no longer subscribe to my viewpoints which Mr Master has been parading around from a year old thread. I debate with likeminded individuals, new comics come out, views change.

Therefore parading around year old quotes as if theyre representative of my stance now is not only futile, but really quite sad when it comes as a substitute for actual debate. 🙂

Whats even sadder is when the fabrications been discounted, the guys still trying to paint me as a liar when hes shown to be one in this very same thread. It does make me chuckle 🙂