Parallax vs. Dark Phoenix

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You got a problem with the concept then take it up with the writers. By canon the Phoenix Force CANNOT be destroyed. It can be channeled, it can be absorbed it can be shattered and dispersed, but the Force just cant deny. The point is stated on panel and in the bios.

In light of that me stating exactly whats said and depicted officially does not make me a fanboy. You're persistence in trying to paint me as one after yet another flop attempt to out debate me just makes you a very sore loser 🙁

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
So King Kandy is the end all be all of your opinions?

Nope. King Kandy is someone neutral in the ongoing debate between me and Mr Master who just happens to have been around when those scans and their explanation were posted in their original context.

Mr Master never saw them in their original context. He was getting pounded in a debate and then came up with some BS about me doctoring scans to prove my interpretation. Something he'd throw into each of our debates when as his salvation. Cant out argue him so i'll discredit him. 😄

KK has vouched for me. The games up. 😱

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Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Oh please show me a scan where it is stated the Phoenix Force can't be destroyed.Yeah sure I'm a loser but that doesn't change the fact that you are talking crap.

The Phoenix Force is pure energy. Energy cant be destroyed, only transferred.

The Forces avatar splitting into two fully functioning forms:

"Unextinguishable, mutable energy"

The Forces avatar after having been used to power a ship, reforming from the ships systems unaffected:

"Immortal, indestructible and mutable"

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Nowhere is it stated or depicted that the Force was being erased.

Interesting,

Which is why when the WATCHER & DEATH said this to Galactus,

"Is that your wish Galactus? ... to condemn the cosmos to ultimate extinction, and yourself to an Eternity in an Infinite Void, can even you endure such desolation?"

"unless that's what you really want? ... You've handed so many over to my care, why not lay down your burdens, and JOIN them?"

Galactus responds with,

"I am Supreme unto myself, I will NOT be bound Reaper, by Entity or Concept"

Watcher says,

"Yet Phoenix LIVES"

Galactus responds,

"FOR the PRESSENT ... the day is yours Starchilde, and with it, an AWARENESS of YOUR ROLE in the Scheme of things"

The ETERNAL PATTERN, is Phoenix's ROLE in the Universe, Galactus was going to END that PATTERN by ERASING the Phoenix Force from existence.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Galactus said that all his machine was going to do is separate the Force from Rachel. When Galactus started to do so the stars faded. The reason given

Bullshit

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
That child is Phoenix. (Talking about Rachel)

True.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Living embodiment of one of the primal forces. (The Phoenix Force)

Not True,

Phoenix AND Rachel are the Primal Force, because Rachel IS Phoenix.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You can no more divide her spirit from her flesh than you can life from death.Their is a natural order to her being (Rachel) as to yours and all creation.

Not true.

It should read like this:

"There is a Natural Order to her being (EXISTENCE) as to yours and all creation"

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Violate it (the bond between the Force and its host) at your peril.

Not true.

It should read like this:

"Violate it ('the Natural Order to her being' or EXISTENCE) at your peril"

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Death refers to Galactus attempt at disrupting that natural order (the separation of Rachel from the Force) as the breaking of an eternal pattern.

Negative.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
NOWHERE. Is it stated that the Force would die.

Especially in those two scans you threw in that have absolutely NOTHING to do with this debate or issue.

Nice try.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Only that the separation of Force from Rachel was against the natural order and that it was a breaking of an eternal pattern and as a result the universe would be left a void.

Bullshit

"violate at your own peril"

Galactus then says,

"my sustenance is living Planets, the Phoenix can Obliterate an entire Cosmos"

Then Mistress or in this case "Mr" Death responds with,

"and FROM that DEATH (Obliterate an entire Cosmos) bring about New Life (SPARK the Big Bang) but you're CHANGING that, BREAKING the ETERNAL PATTERN"

You got balls trying to pin the "Eternal Pattern" on the "bond" between Rachel and Phoenix when it is clearly stated to be Phoenix's ROLE in the Universe.

Do you really take kmc members to be such sapps?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Nope. King Kandy is someone neutral in the ongoing debate between me and Mr Master who just happens to have been around when those scans and their explanation were posted in their original context.

Mr Master never saw them in their original context. He was getting pounded in a debate and then came up with some BS about me doctoring scans to prove my interpretation. Something he'd throw into each of our debates when as his salvation. Cant out argue him so i'll discredit him. 😄

KK has vouched for me. The games up. 😱

Can't wait till KK shows up.

Then we'll see who's talking shit ...

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
You base your win on King Kandy? oh please. No offesense but the guy said that TOAA is 2 times more powerful then the Presence.

Youre really not following the thread are you 😉

My reference to KK vouching for me was only related to Mr Masters claims that id edited scans to support my claims. It was nothing to do with my performance in this thread. 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The Phoenix Force is pure energy. Energy cant be destroyed, only transferred.

The Forces avatar splitting into two fully functioning forms:

"Unextinguishable, mutable energy"

The Forces avatar after having been used to power a ship, reforming from the ships systems unaffected:

"Immortal, indestructible and mutable"

As for matter not being destroyed. This is science fiction, not science fact. Energy obviously CAN be destroyed and HAS been in the realm of the comic universe.

Stardust is also made of pure cosmic energy so he can't be destroyed aswell. 😱

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Nope. King Kandy is someone neutral in the ongoing debate between me and Mr Master who just happens to have been around when those scans and their explanation were posted in their original context.

Mr Master never saw them in their original context. He was getting pounded in a debate and then came up with some BS about me doctoring scans to prove my interpretation. Something he'd throw into each of our debates when as his salvation. Cant out argue him so i'll discredit him.

KK has vouched for me. The games up.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Youre really not following the thread are you

My reference to KK vouching for me was only related to Mr Masters claims that id edited scans to support my claims. It was nothing to do with my performance in this thread.

And again, your using KK as a means for redemption 😆

King Kandy WASN'T referring to the DELIBERATE FABRICATION of the STRANGER/JEAN SCAN, he was talking about the "CLOSE UP" shot you did, he says because people thought it was the Silver Surfer.

I replied with:

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I forgot to mention how Xmen Forever clearly depicts how one wielding the phoenix power becomes supreme over creation. With enough power to humble LT even:

Read what he says above,

his intention was to show LT bowing to Jean.

The STRANGER was completely CUT OUT and NEVER mentioned.

The REAL SCAN:

KK, now replies:

Originally posted by King Kandy
Yeah, I know that. I never adressed the purpose of the scan itself

only the extra close up on LT.

Dude, your killing yourself, just stop and this thread might go away, your just slicing the veins of your reputation.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Interesting,

Which is why when the WATCHER & DEATH said this to Galactus,

"Is that your wish Galactus? ... to condemn the cosmos to ultimate extinction, and yourself to an Eternity in an Infinite Void, can even you endure such desolation?"

"unless that's what you really want? ... You've handed so many over to my care, why not lay down your burdens, and JOIN them?"

Galactus responds with,

"I am Supreme unto myself, I will NOT be bound Reaper, by Entity or Concept"

Watcher says,

"Yet Phoenix LIVES"

Galactus responds,

"For the Present ... the day is yours Starchilde, and with it, and AWARENESS of YOUR ROLE in the Scheme of things"

Prceisely. "STARCHILDE" Rachel is Phoenix he was referring to her. Rachel lives. Nothing was stated or depicted about the Phoenix being erased. Thats just speculation and fabrication from a very biased debator.

When the stars started to go out, the Watcher said "that CHILD IS PHOENIX"

The topic of their discussion was Rachel.

"Living embodiment of one of the primal forces." (Obviously the Phoenix Force)

"You can no more divide her spirit from her flesh than you can life from death."

What was it Galactus said his machine was going to do?

Yep. Separate Rachel from the Force.

So the subject matter is definitely Rachel

"There is a natural order to her being (Rachel) as to yours and all creation."

Once again clearly talking about Rachel. The comment was made by the same person, within the same speech and followed on from comments clearly referring to Rachel.

"Violate it at your peril"

Violate what? The natural order to her being. What natural order would that be? Her bond with the force as dictated by the previous "You can no more divide her spirit from her flesh than you can life from death."

Galactus- "My sustenance is living planets. The Phoenix can obliterate an entire cosmos"

Death- And from that Death bring about new life. But youre changing that. Breaking the eternal pattern"

How is Galactus doing that? What was he doing to provoke this conversation in the first place? Separating the Force from Rachel.

Whats the likely result if Galactus continues thsi separation he said he was going to perform, this separation Roma refers to? ("You can no more divide her spirit from her flesh than you can life from death."😉

As stated by the Watcher "Ultimate extinction"

By breaking the eternal pattern, the natural order of Phoenix manifesting within hosts to carry out its work as we've seen is the case throughout continuity as ive highlighted here

(to deal with the crystal)

(to perpetuate the cycle)

Galactus was causing a disruption to reality, resulting in the stars to fade and eventually the formation of a lifeless void.

NOWHERE is it mentioned that the Force is going to die. It was only talking in terms of Rachel and the repercussions of Galactus' attempt to exorcise the Force from her.

Find me a statement actually stating the Force is being erased, NO speculation an actual statement, NOT one of the ones clearly referring to Rachel.

You wont find one. 🙂

Why? 😕

Fabrication. 😄

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Prceisely. "STARCHILDE" Rachel is Phoenix he was referring to her. Rachel lives. Nothing was stated or depicted about the Phoenix being erased. Thats just speculation and fabrication from a very biased debator.

When the stars started to go out, the Watcher said "that CHILD IS PHOENIX"

The topic of their discussion was Rachel.

"Living embodiment of one of the primal forces." (Obviously the Phoenix Force)

"You can no more divide her spirit from her flesh than you can life from death."

What was it Galactus said his machine was going to do?

Yep. Separate Rachel from the Force.

So the subject matter is definitely Rachel

"There is a natural order to her being (Rachel) as to yours and all creation."

Once again clearly talking about Rachel. The comment was made by the same person, within the same speech and followed on from comments clearly referring to Rachel.

"Violate it at your peril"

Violate what? The natural order to her being. What natural order would that be? Her bond with the force as dictated by the previous "You can no more divide her spirit from her flesh than you can life from death."

Galactus- "My sustenance is living planets. The Phoenix can obliterate an entire cosmos"

Death- And from that Death bring about new life. But youre changing that. Breaking the eternal pattern"

How is Galactus doing that? What was he doing to provoke this conversation in the first place? Separating the Force from Rachel.

Whats the likely result if Galactus continues thsi separation he said he was going to perform, this separation Roma refers to? ("You can no more divide her spirit from her flesh than you can life from death."😉

As stated by the Watcher "Ultimate extinction"

By breaking the eternal pattern, the natural order of Phoenix manifesting within hosts to carry out its work as we've seen is the case throughout continuity as ive highlighted here

(to deal with the crystal)

(to perpetuate the cycle)

Galactus was causing a disruption to reality, resulting in the stars to fade and eventually the formation of a lifeless void.

NOWHERE is it mentioned that the Force is going to die. It was only talking in terms of Rachel and the repercussions of Galactus' attempt to exorcise the Force from her.

Find me a statement actually stating the Force is being erased, NO speculation an actual statement, NOT one of the ones clearly referring to Rachel.

You wont find one. 🙂

Why? 😕

Fabrication. 😄

Calling someone biased is extremely hypoctitical.

Originally posted by Mr Master
And again, your using KK as a means for redemption 😆

King Kandy WASN'T referring to the DELIBERATE FABRICATION of the STRANGER/JEAN SCAN, he was talking about the "CLOSE UP" shot you did, he says because people thought it was the Silver Surfer.

I typed up by explanation for the scans and KK said he can vouch for what i said about them being like that because they were from a camera phone and he said there was an extra photo of LT because noone believed it was him.

You tried to say i had the pics in segments because i was trying to hide the Stranger and yet if the scans are all presented together the Stranger and Jean can be seen and its clear that the abstracts are bowing to the Strangers cloak which dominates the pic theyre in.

You tried to say i took a closeup shot of LT to emphasize the fact that LT was being humbled by Phoenix. Not the case at all. I took an extra shot because noone could see who it was.

KK accounts for the format the scans are in and with that in mind your fabricated story of doctoring goes down the S bend along with all your other shit (arguments) 😱

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
Calling someone biased is extremely hypoctitical.

Everyone can be biased to a degree over their faves. However if someone shows a scan of Phoenix being completely overpowered in a PIS free story then i would accept that.

If someone pits Phoenix up against a multiversal/creationary force like Spectre, HOTI, M'kraan crystal and so on then you'll hear little argument from me.

However Phoenix is mostly put up against beings who stand no chance against, beings like Galactus and other universal beings when Phoenix has beyond universal feats and is by canon indestructible. Me arguing for Phoenix over them does not make me biased anymore than someone arguing Thor over She hulk.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Prceisely. "STARCHILDE" Rachel is Phoenix he was referring to her. Rachel lives. Nothing was stated or depicted about the Phoenix being erased. Thats just speculation and fabrication from a very biased debator.
When the stars started to go out, the Watcher said "that CHILD IS PHOENIX"

The topic of their discussion was Rachel.
"Living embodiment of one of the primal forces." (Obviously the Phoenix Force)
"You can no more divide her spirit from her flesh than you can life from death."

What was it Galactus said his machine was going to do?

Yep. Separate Rachel from the Force.

So the subject matter is definitely Rachel
"There is a natural order to her being (Rachel) as to yours and all creation."

Once again clearly talking about Rachel. The comment was made by the same person, within the same speech and followed on from comments clearly referring to Rachel.
"Violate it at your peril"
Violate what? The natural order to her being. What natural order would that be? Her bond with the force as dictated by the previous "You can no more divide her spirit from her flesh than you can life from death."

Galactus- "My sustenance is living planets. The Phoenix can obliterate an entire cosmos"

Death- And from that Death bring about new life. But youre changing that. Breaking the eternal pattern"

How is Galactus doing that? What was he doing to provoke this conversation in the first place? Separating the Force from Rachel.

Whats the likely result if Galactus continues thsi separation he said he was going to perform, this separation Roma refers to? ("You can no more divide her spirit from her flesh than you can life from death."😉

As stated by the Watcher "Ultimate extinction
By breaking the eternal pattern, the natural order of Phoenix manifesting within hosts to carry out its work as we've seen is the case throughout continuity as ive highlighted herGalactus was causing a disruption to reality, resulting in the stars to fade and eventually the formation of a lifeless void.
NOWHERE is it mentioned that the Force is going to die. It was only talking in terms of Rachel and the repercussions of Galactus' attempt to exorcise the Force from her.

Gibberish.

I invite anyone to pick up a copy of Excaliber #61 and read it for yourself.

AGAIN:

If the machine was only going to "return it to the cosmos" ...WHY were the Stars going out? dontgetit

"Galactus the Stars, they are going out"

Then Roma says,

"THAT CHILD (Rachel Summers) IS PHOENIX, Living Embodiment of ONE of the Primal Forces, you can no more divide her spirit from flesh than you can life from death, there is a natural order to her being, as to yours, and all creation"

It seems Roma meant Phoenix couldn't be killed no matter what, but the next panel clarifies that for us.

Roma then says,

"violate at your own peril"

Galactus then says,
"my sustenance is living Planets, the Phoenix can Obliterate an entire Cosmos"

Then Mistress or in this case "Mr" Death responds with,
"and FROM that DEATH (Obliterate an entire Cosmos) bring about New Life (SPARK the Big Bang) but you're CHANGING that, BREAKING the ETERNAL PATTERN"

So the "Eternal Pattern" is Phoenix Force's ROLE in the Universe, to exist as the "SUSTENANCE of the STARS"

and cyclically SPARK the Big Bang which "Obliterates a Cosmos and brings about New Life"

SO the bottomline is,

the ETERNAL PATTERN was going to be BROKEN, and the STARS were GOING OUT.

How can anyone argue that Phoenix wasn't being ERASED from existence?

No wait, if you "return the Phoenix Force to the Cosmos" the Stars will go out and it will decide not to Spark the Big Bang anymore.

I don't get it, your telling me that Phoneix can't perform its duties in its Natural State?

So the Phoenix must be within Rachel to fuction as a Primal Force?

I thought Jean was the ultimate bond between Phoenix and host?

????

hum

When the WATCHER & DEATH said this to Galactus,

"Is that your wish Galactus? ... to condemn the cosmos to ultimate extinction, and yourself to an Eternity in an Infinite Void, can even you endure such desolation?"

"unless that's what you really want? ... You've handed so many over to my care, why not lay down your burdens, and JOIN them?"

Galactus responds with,

"I am Supreme unto myself, I will NOT be bound Reaper, by Entity or Concept"

Watcher says,

"Yet Phoenix LIVES"

Galactus responds,

"FOR the PRESSENT ... the day is yours Starchilde, and with it, an AWARENESS of YOUR ROLE in the Scheme of things"

The ETERNAL PATTERN, is Phoenix's ROLE in the Universe, Galactus was going to END that PATTERN by ERASING the Phoenix Force from existence.

It's so obvious, but not to an intransigent individual.

excaliber #61?

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
excaliber #61?

Yes please,

get yourself a copy, or I have an instant messenger and if you have one too, I can send it to you.

That way you'll see how this guy debates.

Originally posted by Mr Master

If the machine was only going to "return it to the cosmos" ...WHY were the Stars going out? dontgetit

How can anyone argue that Phoenix wasn't being ERASED from existence?

Instead of countering my points, once again you merely repost. The arrogance of you youngster. 😂

Ive highlighted how they are clearly referring to Rachel in their speech.

Your only argument is if its Rachel then why are the stars fading out?

Its answered on panel. Because there is a natural order to Rachels being. A natural order to her being the Phoenix, as natural to creation as Galactus' own. Galactus is told he cant separate her from her spirit. Why? Because its breaking an eternal pattern. That is why the stars were fading out.

NOWHERE is it stated that the Force is being erased from existence. That is just YOUR SPECULATION/FABRICATION. Its not stated or depicted. All you see is the Force emanating from Rachel and the machine, whic is in line with Galactus' comments that he was just separating the two and in line with Roma/Watchers (whoever it was) reference to his actions "You can no more divide her spirit from her flesh than you can life from death."

You might not be happy with that explanation. But that is the one thats given. You cant just fabricate becuase of persobal preference. 😬

Find a line documenting how the Force is dying or being erased from existence or give it up. 😉

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Instead of countering my points, once again you merely repost. The arrogance of you youngster. Ive highlighted how they are clearly referring to Rachel in their speech.
Your only argument is if its Rachel then why are the stars fading out?
Its answered on panel. Because there is a natural order to Rachels being. A natural order to her being the Phoenix, as natural to creation as Galactus' own. Galactus is told he cant separate her from her spirit. Why? Because its breaking an eternal pattern. That is why the stars were fading out.
NOWHERE is it stated that the Force is being erased from existence. That is just YOUR SPECULATION/FABRICATION. Its not stated or depicted. All you see is the Force emanating from Rachel and the machine, whic is in line with Galactus' comments that he was just separating the two and in line with Roma/Watchers (whoever it was) reference to his actions "You can no more divide her spirit from her flesh than you can life from death."

You might not be happy with that explanation. But that is the one thats given. You cant just fabricate becuase of persobal preference.

blabla

I'll let the onlookers be the judge of that.

You've proven nothing, and your still a phony, I would have forgiven you for your past lies, but here you are again attempting yet another ploy to lick your own balls.

Ain't gonna happen.