Well they had mastered war so I assume they know about unique formations and all that.
That doesn't make sense. Unless, however, my ability to comprehend them coming up with anything different is limited to my being human and not Chozo. In which case, if that's true, then Samus would similarly be unable to comprehend their supposedly 'new' tactics and strategies that have nothing to do with their technologies.
I'd think battles would be a lot like hand to hand combat, in a sense... Bruce Lee says to do the unexpected and expect it to come right back at you, or close enough to that. I take the Chozo as knowing how strategists would think so well that they can basically see most plans before they unfold, and act accordingly, and at the same time come up with a completely unexpected counter. That's just me, I admit to liking Metroid a whole lot, so I could be overthinking it...
Samus still wins, if only for much better equipment.
Mastering the art of war would give an huge advantage because once an enemy does something, they could never do it again.
You mean like humans try to do already? The way I see it, the Chozo just have better technology which equals better resources which equals more strategic/tactical options.
I still think that if Samus is the winner here, it's through having 50 different beams and being able to shoot a volley of missiles. Otherwise, she has no advantage over the Chief.
Originally posted by Wanderer259
You mean like humans try to do already? The way I see it, the Chozo just have better technology which equals better resources which equals more strategic/tactical options.I still think that if Samus is the winner here, it's through having 50 different beams and being able to shoot a volley of missiles. Otherwise, she has no advantage over the Chief.
I'd agree to that, simply because one never fights under the conditions that the other does in terms of weaponry, so we can't tell who would handle the other's place better. So Samus wins by blasting power. Which is what I said... when I joined this thread on like page 11...
Originally posted by Wanderer259
You mean like humans try to do already? The way I see it, the Chozo just have better technology which equals better resources which equals more strategic/tactical options.I still think that if Samus is the winner here, it's through having 50 different beams and being able to shoot a volley of missiles. Otherwise, she has no advantage over the Chief.
Yeah like humans do. They never fight wars the same way.
It only too 4 years to figure out that fighting in trenches and walking towards machine guns will not win a war and decrease the world population.
Oh yeah, it also took 5 years to figure out that bombing full citites, armor and infantry combined combat will eventually win something or another.
Oh, dont forget that generals still dont understand how to defeat a guerilla army in very forested areas.
And how long did it take to eventually figure that a row of people shooting guns at each other will also do nothing.
Should I go on?
Yeah like humans do. They never fight wars the same way.
It only too 4 years to figure out that fighting in trenches and walking towards machine guns will not win a war and decrease the world population.
Oh yeah, it also took 5 years to figure out that bombing full citites, armor and infantry combined combat will eventually win something or another.
Oh, dont forget that generals still dont understand how to defeat a guerilla army in very forested areas.
And how long did it take to eventually figure that a row of people shooting guns at each other will also do nothing.
Should I go on?
What's your point? Does it matter how long it took to do something? No where does it say the Chozo gained their 'masterhood' in two days time, nor does it say they possess infallible tactics for every situation they can possibly encounter. Let's also not forget that modern warfare is dictated by the Geneva Convention and therefore strategic ability is limited by a certain degree.
You're assuming too much.
My point is that humans when it comes to war, arnt very good at it. It doesnt matter if Chozo took 2 days or 100 million years, they still mastered the art of war, thus knowing everything there is.
Lets use another example. I mastered the art of cooking, which is almost impossible. Obviously because I mastered it, I will know everything, so somebody could not beat me.
My point is that humans when it comes to war, arnt very good at it. It doesnt matter if Chozo took 2 days or 100 million years, they still mastered the art of war, thus knowing everything there is.Lets use another example. I mastered the art of cooking, which is almost impossible. Obviously because I mastered it, I will know everything, so somebody could not beat me.
Except for other people who have achieved a similar degree of skill. Your idea on humans being inadequate at warfare holds no ground due to the nature of the enemy: humans. How is one supposed to achieve crushing victory, and thereby display a certain amount of ability beyond their opponent's imaginations, when they're fighting themselves? The Chozo, should there be a civil war between two factions, would be in the same predicament as the human race; they'd be fighting each other, neither would gain the upperhand too easily, and they'd look inept for it.
Your example, and therefore your reasoning, is flawed. Sure, you know everything there is to know about cooking, but you're wrong about being undefeatable; other 'masters' could meet your abilities and defeat you in a cook-off.
That could be true.
But the fact remains, humans havent mastered it, while Chozo has. Nuff said.
But you haven't proved how, other than that the 'warfare mastery' statement can be construed as saying that no other race has approached the Chozo's abilities in war. You're trying to say humans haven't 'mastered war', but the only thing you truly have to compare them to are other humans.
If the Chozo are beyond humankind, as I admit they are, it's not because of a better innate understanding of how to fight, but because of better technology. As I've stated before, better or more resources means more strategical options.
Unless, of course, there's an example that shows that humans are inept when compared to the Chozo in the Metroid world without comparing any differences in technology. If there is, I'm ignorant of it and I apologize for presenting an argument. If you are indeed talking about humans in our reality, however, my statements still stand.
I see your point and its valid.
I feel that humans havnt mastered war is because they're still learning and planning new strategies based on technology. If they have mastered it, they wouldnt produce new strategies.
Chozo though, as a writer for the games has put it, mastered the art of war. Nothing really else has been said officially, so I cant say they know every species and civilizations warfare strategies (humans for example), but I assume when they mastered it, they would know already.
If you master something, there isnt really anything your going to learn after that. Thats how I see "mastering".
Humans have not reached a pinnacle of technology (our products are still glitchy and buggy, etc) , whereas the chozo have reached their all time high with Samus' suit. Which would also be the reason why noone can stand up to them (having so much variated firepower, and mobility in one single suit)... which is why, in turn samus is an unstoppable bounty hunter and the enemies in her world run like hell when her name is mentioned
Wow... I Was On Page 17 And Skipped To 45? Anwyays. I Skipped A Fair Bit And Am Quite Sure I Missed Many A Good Point.
I, For One, Vote In MC's Favor, However I Am Sure Many Metroid Fans Voted On Samus. The Thing Is Preference. It IS Human Psychology To Vote And/Or Encourage For Ones Side. This Whole Argument Is Becoming Very... Strange To Me.
All In All, I Would Say It Is A Fair Fight. I Am Not Sure If Anoyone Plans On Cnotinuing This Thread, But If So, I Will Join In Every So Often. Now Back To The Matter At Hand.
I Know Earlier That It Was Stated That The Books Do Not Count. However, Countless Times After That They Were Brought Up. I Also Read A Fact About A Metroid Fan Fiction. If That Was Brought Up, I Feel I Should Be Able To Bring Up Some Facts From A Book. Many Of The Facts Were Probably Ditched A While Ago, But I Am Doing This On What I Had Read.
1. MJOLNIR Battle Suits Physically Enhance All Attributes, Including Speed, Strength, Vitality And Stamina.
2. MJOLNIR Battle Suits CAN Have An OVERSHIELD. Giving MC An Extra Shield.
3. MJOLNIR Battle Suits Have Cooling Efficency In Them, Regulating Body Temp. That Kills Of Thermal Optics, And Heat BAsed Projectiles.
4. As A Child, MC Was Stronger Than The Other Kids, Giving Him A Small Advantage Even Before He Got The Surgical Improvements.
5. The Surgical Implants Increase His Skin Tissue, Bone Density (Bone Strength), Muscle Increments And Eyesight.
6. The SPARTANS Were A Group Hand Picked By Scientists. These Children Were Biologically Enhanced, Creating Stronger Human Beings. They Are NOT Cyborgs. The MJOLNIR Armor Tightens Around The Body, Molding And Adapting To Movement.
7. There Were Many SPARTANS. Although This Downgrades MC One Way, It Increases Him Another. I Never Saw Samus Working With Anyone Else. Can You Say No Social Skills? Not Like We Want Diplomacy OR Anything. Also, MC Was Hand Picked By The Unit To Be The Leader Of The Squad, Which Promotes Leadership, Courage, And Other Stuff (I Think)
8. Two Words: Sniper Rifle. Two Zoom Modes. Doubled By The Eyesight Enhancement. I Really Don't Think Samus Can Lock On To MC From The Distace He Can Pick Her Off From.
9. Many Different Weapons. Yes, Samus Has Upgrades, But Not As Much Variety. Master Chief Has Weapons For Close AND Mid/Long Range. And Anotehr Thing: Weapon Bash. KO. Instant Win. IF He Can Get Close Enough.
I Have Proven My Point For Tonight And I Will Be Looking Forward To This Discussion Wednesday AKA Two Days From Now. Grad Tomorrow 😄.
ok.. you're going to say "it is a fair fight" and then say "he can pick her off from a distance with a sniper rifle"... thats just stupid... [Note : not calling 'you' stupid, just the way those two aspects contradict.. just to clarify]
then you go on to say that samus lacks social skills because she doesnt want to work with someone?.. she has a pretty rough past and Im sure she doesnt want to be giddy and share it with the first listening ear.. not to mention she travels through all sorts of deadly atmospheric elements that only 'her' suit can protect her from.. I've never seen chief submerge in water (only during a lame cutscene) nor volcanic temperatures.. let alone swimming through the lava..
now look through all of your numbers, and see how biased for chief you are.. (which you stated that most people will root for their character of choice by nature).. now look at your statement earlier about a fair fight?.. c'mon now.. fair fights dont involve 9 elements of one sided opinions
Good Points, Good Points. I Guess I Wasn't Thinking Too Much There 😬
Anyways, All That I'm Saying Is That I Prefer MC Over Samus. And You Obviously Prefer Samus Over MC, Correct? Anyways, As We Can See By The Poll, Most Voted Samus. And As Such We Know That Samus Is... Shall We Say... Favoured More? (For Lack Of Words 😖)
Now, We Could Go On And On About This Hundreds Of Times, And We Would Still Be Sitting Here, Fighting Over Who Is Better. It Will Never End.
All I'm Saying Is I Think MC Would Come Out On Top, But Different People Have Different Opinions. It's All Based On Thought. Now, I Will Leave This At That, And Anyone Else That Likes Pointless Arguing, Go Ahead, But We Can Clearly See That Samus Got More Votes.