who created god

Its a fundemental concequence of modern physics.

You can create something out of nothing as long as the energy created times by the time it exists for is not greater than a certain constant.
I cant remember the precise numerical value for it, but it's very small.

When you say you, you mean an actual person?

Also would you mind giving an example of this....

I already see problems in what you are saying but I would rather you explain a little more before I speak my piece on it.

I of course have read theories of energy extraction but anyway, please answer those questions for me.

it makes more sense due to the fact that this thing that supposedly always have been there suddenly found out "hey let me create something, and I gonna set some rules to the things I create".
To be honest I have no clue of how we got to be where we are now and nobody else does either, does who says they know are nothing but a bunch of liars.
All I know is that we are here know and that is what matters.

So what if the universe always been there why aint that as possible as a god that always been there

Yes it is hard to grasp the concept of a God who has always existed, I would not deny that. I believe that if anything were to exist save for an omnipotent power, it would have to be created.

The universe not being an omnipotent power, I find it hard to believe that it could have always existed.

But lets say for a second that they are equally incomprehensible, then what keeps an atheist so dismissive of one side?

I figure they would at least move into the territory of agnostics.

But lets say for a second that they are equally incomprehensible, then what keeps an atheist so dismissive of one side

True, there are other theories out there which try to explain the origin of the universe, and other religions which do the same. Depending on how one views things they are either more acceptable and believable or less so. It is not exclusive territory of the Christian or Atheist.

Finti> It’s not entirely true that atheists are “against gods”. An atheist like me simply do not THINK any divinity exists.

It's not a question of BELIEVING in the Big Bang. This theory fits with many scientific theories (laws) such as quantum field theory and the general theory of relativity.
Creationism is merely an unproven hypothesis based solely on faith.

Sorry to ask, I not currently up to date certain areas of science, but how accurate or certain is the field of quantum sciences these days? I know it proposes an answer for one of the biggest hurdles of the big bang theory, but how far has it progressed, and if an expert was asked what percentage of certainty would he give?

an atheist dosnt automatically believe in the big bang and such, atheist is more against the idea of a god/s and thats about it

You are correct, they do not necessarily believe in the big bang theory. I wasnt really talking about the big bang theory though, I only made a small reference to it.

Existence of space, the universe and so on is essentially incomprehensible to somebody who believes that everything is logical (believing in science). However if you believe that some things can be incomprehensible, wouldnt that include an omnipotent one?
Since it presumably would, how could one dismiss the idea of God all together?

Thats why im saying youd figure that Atheists would at least be agnostic. An agnostic person admits not knowing and in doing so they dont dismiss the possibility of God.

If for example there was a murder. Could one dismiss certain murder suspects if you had virtually no evidence in the case? Or wouldn't they need to admit not knowing and that it could be any one of them.

As to the idea of whether of there being an ever existing god or an ever existing universe I will say this.

I believe that anything short of omnipotence can not have always existed. I believe that there would be nothing but nothing without there being an omnipotent power to create things.

It's not a question of BELIEVING in the Big Bang. This theory fits with many scientific theories (laws) such as quantum field theory and the general theory of relativity.
Creationism is merely an unproven hypothesis based solely on faith.

Even the big bang theory is based on creation. Something that created the universe. So the question becomes, what created the power that created the big bang? How does anything emerge from nothingness without power?(I am including space itself).

As to the idea of whether of there being an ever existing god or an ever existing universe I will say this.

I believe that anything short of omnipotence can not have always existed. I believe that there would be nothing but nothing without there being an omnipotent power to create things.

This was supposed to say.

As to the idea of whether there was an ever existing God or an ever existing universe, I will say this.

I believe that anything short of omnipotence can not have always existed. I believe that there would be nothing but nothingness without an omnipotent power to create things.

It wouldnt let me edit. 😠

Imperial_Samurai> What do you mean by accurate or certain? Do you mean, how certain are we of quantum-stuff? Lasers, electron-microscopes, MRI-images from hospital-scanners, di-odes and transistors work through quantum-principles. So I’d say we are certain of quantum-principles.

See, the thing about Big Bang deals with an as of yet unsolved mystery of science: How does gravity work on the smallest scales in the Universe (such as, inside a black hole or… at the be-ginning of the Universe).
We see the Universe expand (as it should, according to Einstein, whose equations predicted this, before it was known), so if we “rewind” the Universe like a movie, everything must at one point have been together. If we also rewind physics, so to speak, everything fits with observa-tions and collected data (such as the cosmic Microwave background – a sort of echo from the Big Bang)… up until a tiny fraction of a fraction of a millisecond after Big Bang. We can’t go beyond that time back to time 00:00, because we still don’t understand every aspect of gravity.
We need quantum gravity, to understand gravity at the quantum-scale like we’ve done with electromagnetism and the weak and strong nuclear-forces (Which in turn gave us the possibil-ity to manipulate these forces).
So I (and I AM a scientist, a high-energy physicist) would say we’re 99,99999 certain of the Big Bang (the remaining 0,000000001 percent is not as much due to not thinking the Big Bang happened, but because quantum gravity may make a twist on the actual event from the time 00:00, to that tiny split-second after).

Clickclick> Ah, but there is lightyears between believing some ONE created, and that quan-tum-physics created.
To understand how something can emerges from NOTHING 1+(-1)=0. So something and an equal amount of it’s opposite amounts to NOTHING.
Now – that is possible in quantum mechanics. A photon can create an electron and a positron.
So, from nothing you can get matter and an equal amount of anti-matter. You may even break the laws of conservation of energy, as long as you do it over a short period of time (Heisen-bergs Uncertainty Principles).
Voila – The Universe.

Originally posted by FeceMan
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While my answer is the most simple given, I believe it to be the most accurate. To say that I created god is to say that I created my own perception of the being. Even people who have grown up inside of a particular faith still subject their world view to their own personal experiences. As such, what I'm saying is that god means a little something different to everyone who believes in him/her/it. So I created my own interpretation of god and what relevance he holds in my life.

Finti> It’s not entirely true that atheists are “against gods”. An atheist like me simply do not THINK any divinity exists

yes but not against God since he doesn't exist

Originally posted by The Omega
Ah, but there is lightyears between believing some ONE created, and that quan-tum-physics created.
To understand how something can emerges from NOTHING 1+(-1)=0. So something and an equal amount of it’s opposite amounts to NOTHING.
Now – that is possible in quantum mechanics. A photon can create an electron and a positron.
So, from nothing you can get matter and an equal amount of anti-matter. You may even break the laws of conservation of energy, as long as you do it over a short period of time (Heisen-bergs Uncertainty Principles).
Voila – The Universe.

we've talked about matter and anti-matter in school... as i didnt believe in up/down-quark i denied the subject matter, and the teacher accepted it cause its only a theory... with no evidence...

a difference between middle ages and these days..... in the middle ages people didnt believe in theories which actually were evidenced.... (fe. isaac newtons theory of work, "every change in movement of something is caused of a force manipulating it"😉
today people believe in theories where is no evidence given....

Ah, but there is lightyears between believing some ONE created, and that quan-tum-physics created.
To understand how something can emerges from NOTHING 1+(-1)=0. So something and an equal amount of it’s opposite amounts to NOTHING.
Now – that is possible in quantum mechanics. A photon can create an electron and a positron.
So, from nothing you can get matter and an equal amount of anti-matter. You may even break the laws of conservation of energy, as long as you do it over a short period of time (Heisen-bergs Uncertainty Principles).
Voila – The Universe.

Well beyond the fact that to believe quantum physics created the universe you would still require the use faith, there are still yet unresolved problems in such a theory.

1 ) any potential theory that scientist can come up with can not essentially rule out the possbility of God (the creator).

2) problem being that in true nothingness, space and photons would never exist. Electromagnetic energy or Electromagnetic radition quite certainly constitutes something. You cant create something out of true nothingness from nothingness.

Voila problem 3. Quatam physics does not sufficiently explain the question I pose.

today people believe in theories where is no evidence given.

which of course is a good point.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, either someone who was high created god, or someone who was mentally ill created god. That or someone who needed money and he knew that by lying to people and saying there's an invisible man in the sky who needs money that people would give money to him so he could do a line of crack off of a hookers ass.

Oh wait, that's only today's holy men that do lines of crack off of hooker's ass', that or molest children, I forget.

Man Created God.

Originally posted by BackFire
I've said it before and I'll say it again, either someone who was high created god, or someone who was mentally ill created god. That or someone who needed money and he knew that by lying to people and saying there's an invisible man in the sky who needs money that people would give money to him so he could do a line of crack off of a hookers ass.

Oh wait, that's only today's holy men that do lines of crack off of hooker's ass', that or molest children, I forget.

who gives money to god? (or thinks he would give it to god?)

Originally posted by BackFire
I've said it before and I'll say it again, either someone who was high created god, or someone who was mentally ill created god. That or someone who needed money and he knew that by lying to people and saying there's an invisible man in the sky who needs money that people would give money to him so he could do a line of crack off of a hookers ass.

Oh wait, that's only today's holy men that do lines of crack off of hooker's ass', that or molest children, I forget.

No, thats Only Rael....