Paeng, please stop using that damn Kingpin point. It's basically a good point, but
1. You can't base your arguement on one villain
2. You're not even listing examples of all the times Kingpin knocked Spidey out.
3. Y ou seriously do sound like a damn broken record.
Who?, Tell me how SM will possibly win when if he gets too close, he's toast?? We've already accomplished that webbing the legs will not work, and other than that, SM's got no long range attacks. Scott doesn't need melee skills because he could blast SM into the ground if he tried to step on his new Iveys (my new shoe, baby 😄). I'm not about to embaris myself by saying that SM couldn't dodge the blasts, but for how long? 😉
Originally posted by Lord-of-Dreams
Who?, Tell me how SM will possibly win when if he gets too close, he's toast?? We've already accomplished that webbing the legs will not work, and other than that, SM's got no long range attacks.
A web to his feet/legs, a quick pull => takes half a second and Cyclops is flying. Cyclops is not fast enough to react, you really need superfast reflexes to see the web coming AND to shoot it in mid air. And once the web is attached to his feet, he'll need at least a second to destroy it with his optic beams.
A second to notice his legs are webbed up, a second to look down and destroy the web, a second to look back up and notice SM is standing behind him lol 😉.
And all this is without SM even pulling Cyclops, only distracting him. And last but not least, this is a very plausible scenario, SM does these kinds of things - dodging and using his web at the same time - all the time (with faster opponents than Cyclops btw).
Originally posted by who?-kid
LOl, did we accomplish that ? I think I missed something 🙂.A web to his feet/legs, a quick pull => takes half a second and Cyclops is flying. Cyclops is not fast enough to react, you really need superfast reflexes to see the web coming AND to shoot it in mid air. And once the web is attached to his feet, he'll need at least a second to destroy it with his optic beams.
A second to notice his legs are webbed up, a second to look down and destroy the web, a second to look back up and notice SM is standing behind him lol 😉.
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youre funny as hell dude. he's gonna destroy spiderman with his optic beams dude not the webs. i dont see cyclops standing like a complete doofus saying
hmm it seems that my feet have been webbed up, gee i wonder where that came from, i wont even look or anything(yank)
oh no it seems like im falling, i better not even try to look to see whats at the other end of this sticky substance, especially since my eyes are my offensive, and i got this thing in my gloves that controls my visor, yep..... i better just keep on avoiding eye contant cuz it might be too scary, i might not like what i see.
next thing you know ppl will be saying that webs come out at the speed of sound. if two ppl are fighting how are they not gonna see what they have to throw at each other? i could understand all these arguments if cyke was using a laser pistol or something where he has to load and aim, but his weapons are his eyes dude. what ever he looks at thats what he's gonna hit. period
dont you think he would see the webs coming in the first place, or are they too fast for him? or maybe spiderman has super duper inviso powers we dont know about.
the thing you gotta realize is spiderman got all his experince from his crime fighting, while scott is in the danger room all day every day. he is a teacher at the school after all and the danger room sessionds are a part of the curriculum for all the students and every body else.
no he doesnt have any superhuman attributes but he is just a smidge below peak human. you think a battle trained guy like that is not gonna see some damn webs coming at him?
I don't see how using his webbing like this isn't a plausible scenario, Spiderman does it all the time. His reflexes trump Cyclops.
Stop assuming people who believe Spidey would kick Cyclops ass are of the belief that Scott is going to "just stand there." Sure he'll move, but what advantage does that give him? He runs in slow motion compared to Spiderman, and Spiderman doesn't "miss" people who travel regular human running speeds.
Kingpin can lift 650 Lbs.He's also a skilled martial artist, and very durable for a common man, thanks to his great muscular mass.
Now mix those facts with Spider-Man's boy scout attitude that prevents him to going all out, holding the force of his blows against a humans, and it means he can be beaten by the big K.Also don't forget that gainst Kingpin Spidey usually just stay against him in a pure slugfest, forgetting sometimes that the Kingpin is quite strong for a common man.He was able to shatter Spidey through the walls of his mansion more than once.
That's cause Spidey always holds back....which is stupid writing really...
No matter how much he holds back, your still getting punched by
someone who can lift 10+ tons. That's gonna hurt.
They constantly show Spidey battling dudes without physical powers
like Dr. Octopus and they take more than a few punches from Spidey.
These dudes are threatening people's lives. How "responsible" is it to
prolong a fight and risk more lives instead of ending it with one hit....
Originally posted by manjaro
youre funny as hell dude. he's gonna destroy spiderman with his optic beams dude not the webs. i dont see cyclops standing like a complete doofus saying (...)
hmm it seems that my feet have been webbed up, gee i wonder where that came from
next thing you know ppl will be saying that webs come out at the speed of sound.
Of course he can blast the web (duh), but this takes time - very little I know, but still - and it's very simple: you can not afford to lose even one second when fighting a super fast guy as Spider-Man.
i could understand all these arguments if cyke was using a laser pistol or something where he has to load and aim, but his weapons are his eyes dude. what ever he looks at thats what he's gonna hit. period
Originally posted by who?-kid
Well, in most cases, Cyclops actually just stands there while he blasts everything to pieces. It's his classical pose : standing there and shooting.
Oh Cyclops will know where that web came from, but when he realizes his legs are webbed up, Spider-Man is already somewhere else.
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No, but it is very fast, and almost impossible to dodge, because it's so hard to see when it's coming to you. Cyclops can NOT avoid being webbed up.Of course he can blast the web (duh), but this takes time - very little I know, but still - and it's very simple: you can not afford to lose even one second when fighting a super fast guy as Spider-Man.
Spider-Man has dodged Cyclops blasts - while fighting other people btw - more than once. With ease. Period. [/B]
yeah, but, as i say in all cyke threads, it just depends on how far cyke is willing to go. If he wanted to just kill spidey, we all know he could do that at the push of a button (quite literally) and open up his full optic blast, which i doubt spidey would be able to dodge. But, on the flip side, cyke TYPICALLY doesnt do that, and in that case it would be a very close fight, spider-man actually having the edge.
Originally posted by Kontraz
yeah, but, as i say in all cyke threads, it just depends on how far cyke is willing to go. If he wanted to just kill spidey, we all know he could do that
at the push of a button (quite literally) and open up his full optic blast, which i doubt spidey would be able to dodge.
it depends on which "mega blast". Some of them are just really strong and about 3x as wide, others are like a freakin cone, encompassing all that cyke is able to see (coming out of his eyes at about 75 to 85 degrees), and THOSE would be pretty much impossible (or at least incredibly improbable) for spidey to dodge.
But yeah, if cyke goes all out (but not spidey), its cyke. If they both hold back, its even (probably spidey), and if spidey goes all out (but not cyke), he could rip the guys head off with a single punch, and if they both go all out, it would be close, but i'd say cyke...
but that's the problem with hero vs hero fights, 99% of the time, both of them WONT go all out. Especially in an urban area.
But you see Kontraz, the forum rules state that both parties go all out. The other guy is the Devil!!
The thing is: When have we EVER seen SM kill anyone with one punch? Never. When have we seen Cyke kill anyone with his blasts? More than one occasion. Sinister is a good example of Cyke's beast side. SM has torn through steel, I am well aware, but has he torn through a Sentinel in seconds? No. Never has never will. So the blast is much more powerful than the punch.
The arguement that SM always holds back should never be presented again. Ever. If he ALWAYS holds back, then the level of power he shows is his level of poer. You can't base your arguement on the few times he's shown higher strength than normal. 'Cuz if you do, then I can go by the fact that Scott's blast was shown to be the size of his scope of vision in a single comic (although its been shown that way on many occasions...).
The SM ties Scott's foot idea is ridiculus. Scott won't just stop shotting. He'll most likely just shoot non-stop. If this is true, then his blast should (and will) dissolve the web in mid air.
The idea that in the time Scott looks down to blast the web SM would be behind him is ludicrous because it implies 1. SM moves at least sonic. 2. SM is a single step away from Scott's back. Well, one doesn't work because while SM IS very fast, he's not sonic. The second Scott takes to look down then up is MORE than enough time to get ready for another attack. 2 doesn't work because if it is so then Scott won't need to look down in any case. He could easily grab SM (Only for like, .6 seconds, I'm not being ignorant of SM's strength) an blast him into oblivion.
Originally posted by Lord-of-Dreams
The thing is: When have we EVER seen SM kill anyone with one punch? Never.
But in this fight, everybody is supposed to fight like their life depended on it, so your question is not valid.
And SM doesn't have to kill Cyclops, just a gentle punch will do it. When have we seen Cyke kill anyone with his blasts?
Somebody with superior reflexes and a spider-sense ? Never. He has tried to hit SM on multiple occasions, but didn't a very good job 😉.More than one occasion. Sinister is a good example of Cyke's beast side. SM has torn through steel, I am well aware, but has he torn through a Sentinel in seconds? No. Never has never will. So the blast is much more powerful than the punch.
Of course it's more powerful. Much more powerful. I don't think we can debate over such an obvious fact. The arguement that SM always holds back should never be presented again. Ever. If he ALWAYS holds back, then the level of power he shows is his level of power. You can't base your arguement on the few times he's shown higher strength than normal.
No not true. Spider-Man has fought with everything he's got LOTS of times, not only on very rare occasions: Hulk lots of times, Morlun, Black Tarantula, Scorpion, Rhino, Absorbing Man, Iron Man from the Future, Juggernaut, Carnage, Venom, Firelord, Green Goblin... the list is very long. The SM ties Scott's foot idea is ridiculus. Scott won't just stop shotting. He'll most likely just shoot non-stop. If this is true, then his blast should (and will) dissolve the web in mid air.
I disagree. Scott has no superior reflexes, it's almost impossible to see the web coming, he can only know it if he feels it.
Spider-Man webs almost everyone up. That's how he fights. He has done that with much faster and powerful people than Cyclops.The idea that in the time Scott looks down to blast the web SM would be behind him is ludicrous because it implies 1. SM moves at least sonic. 2. SM is a single step away from Scott's back. Well, one doesn't work because while SM IS very fast, he's not sonic. The second Scott takes to look down then up is MORE than enough time to get ready for another attack. 2 doesn't work because if it is so then Scott won't need to look down in any case. He could easily grab SM (Only for like, .6 seconds, I'm not being ignorant of SM's strength) an blast him into oblivion.
First of all, Scott is not as fast as Spider-Man. He's not even close. By the time he realizes his feet are tied up and he destroys the web (let's say only two seconds, that's very generous of me), Spider-Man is standing behind him.
The theory of "one fluid movement of Scott attacking SM, freeing his feet, at the same time following SM's movements and then again aiming for him" is nonsense. Especially when SM is bouncing from wall to wall so fast it's hard to keep track of him.