pre-crisis superman vs Galactus

zeph sayeth:

<<Pre-Crisis Superman is invulnerable.>>

to which leo respondeth:

but he's NOT. he's been hurt many times, and i've already said how king kosmos ko'd him with a single blast. there are MANY instances of pre-c supes being hurt. the main thing is this: no one has yet given any evidence that pre-c supes has ever defeated a being on g's level. again, even luthor in his ARMOR proved a match for him many times! in the super powers ltd series, lackeys is darkseid caused him enormous hassles. that's not to say he HASN'T beaten someone on g's level, only that no one has yet come forth to show evidence of this. the jla HAS fought and defeated beings on his level, but supes alone? not in any of the books i have and not that anyone has yet been able to show. so there is no reason to think supes COULD withstand being transmuted by g because beings who have tried are BELOW g in power. logically, his field would be manipulatable by g who has overwhelming energy control.

anyways, we agree in the holistic view, zeph -- g wins

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I'm reading through this thread and see someone tried to say Supes would sneeze Galactus away.

Are people aware that was caused by magic sneezing powder?

evidence!!!! ****in sake man! show evidence to your quibbles, joke all you want that the big overgrown star fairy will crush him like that, i know that superman in his pre crisis times will be a fight for giant fairy. need proof of an absolute outcome is the only way i see one of these guys taking it!

When I did the pre crisis supes vs Exitar thread the Superman fanboys were strangely absent, NOBODY said superman would win that one. Funny how they're foolish enough to think Superman could take on Galactus who at full power is above even Exitar.

not a fan boy, just i think in comics anyone can beat anyone when it has to, and galactus can be beat, ever heard of the underdog winning? take a hike loser, haha i love firestarting sometimes

Originally posted by illadelph12
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I'm reading through this thread and see someone tried to say Supes would sneeze Galactus away.

Are people aware that was caused by magic sneezing powder?

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
No and nobody will ever be aware of that.

http://theages.superman.ws/Encyclopaedia/powers.php

In February 1961, after Mr. Mxyzptlk has loosed a cloud of magic sneezing powder on Metropolis, Superman finds himself forced to give vent to a super-sneeze that literally destroys an entire distant solar system.

Now you know.

And knowing is half the battle...

Originally posted by illadelph12
http://theages.superman.ws/Encyclopaedia/powers.php

Now you know.

And knowing is half the battle...

Originally posted by MattDay
evidence!!!! ****in sake man! show evidence to your quibbles, joke all you want that the big overgrown star fairy will crush him like that, i know that superman in his pre crisis times will be a fight for giant fairy. need proof of an absolute outcome is the only way i see one of these guys taking it!

what proof do you need? g basically one-shotted THANOS! he's demolished the KEEPER! you saw what he did to an immortal hercules!

you say proof, i say unless someone can show me or name me an opponent of g's level that pre-c supes has battled 1on1 and defeated this thread should be closed.

Originally posted by MattDay
not a fan boy, just i think in comics anyone can beat anyone when it has to, and galactus can be beat, ever heard of the underdog winning? take a hike loser, haha i love firestarting sometimes

and that is the crux of pre-c supes -- if some writer wants to give him some undiscovered power to help him win, while possible, that is not logical and can't be accounted for in a debate. based on what we know and who he's battled, it's just illogical to say supes can beat someone on g's level.

Especially when He-Man struck fear in PC Supes heart...

in supes defense though, he DID leave he-man laying after there fight . . .

Originally posted by illadelph12
Especially when He-Man struck fear in PC Supes heart...

But its when you account for his factual on panel feats is when you find the real essence of pre Crisis Superman. Able to blow away 'giant stars' with super breath, drag planets around, cruise at 10x lightspeed plus, shift between time and dimensions, matter manipulation, etc. All of these and more are shown to be within his skill set.

xover? that was an issue of dc presents. skeletor controlled supes to have him battle he-man. supes had the better of it but the fight didn't completely end. the ali issue was funny -- and supes had no power, of course.

Admittedly, Galactus by all accounts should win, but this is the Superman that would come up with anything, even so far as to BS for the win. But it's certianly in his power to give Galactus a fight for his life, especially since G's at normal 'optimum' level for the fight. And that's only so impressive. A normal powered Galactus I've often found to be less impressive than even his heralds are, and PC Superman would probably mop all of them, even in multiples.

I mean, this is the guy that waved his belt around and made a city immune to telepathy. lol.

Originally posted by Juntai
Yah, but crossovers don't count. And even so, Muhammad Ali threw down with pre Crisis Superman.

But its when you account for his factual on panel feats is when you find the real essence of pre Crisis Superman. Able to blow away 'giant stars' with super breath, drag planets around, cruise at 10x lightspeed plus, shift between time and dimensions, matter manipulation, etc. All of these and more are shown to be within his skill set.

wat ur trying to say..Muhammad Ali can't beat PC supes?? 😛

Originally posted by Juntai
Admittedly, Galactus by all accounts should win, but this is the Superman that would come up with anything, even so far as to BS for the win. But it's certianly in his power to give Galactus a fight for his life, especially since G's at normal 'optimum' level for the fight. And that's only so impressive. A normal powered Galactus I've often found to be less impressive than even his heralds are, and PC Superman would probably mop all of them, even in multiples.

I mean, this is the guy that waved his belt around and made a city immune to telepathy. lol.

you're absolutely right. i was putting aside galactu-jobber for the sake of this fight. g has shown time and time again to be less impressive than the heralds. it really is annoying. and i admitted that it would be possible for supes to come up with something, just hard to base an argument on something a writer 'may' have come up with to have him win.

meh, just because i don't think pre-c supes could logically defeat someone on g's level, doens't mean he wouldn't own almsot anyone BELOW that level, or that he still doesn't ROCK!!

all hail pre-c supes!! i await his return eagerly! 😄

Originally posted by leonidas
zeph sayeth:

<<Pre-Crisis Superman is invulnerable.>>

to which leo respondeth:

but he's NOT. he's been hurt many times, and i've already said how king kosmos ko'd him with a single blast. there are MANY instances of pre-c supes being hurt. the main thing is this: no one has yet given any evidence that pre-c supes has ever defeated a being on g's level. again, even luthor in his ARMOR proved a match for him many times! in the super powers ltd series, lackeys is darkseid caused him enormous hassles. that's not to say he HASN'T beaten someone on g's level, only that no one has yet come forth to show evidence of this. the jla HAS fought and defeated beings on his level, but supes alone? not in any of the books i have and not that anyone has yet been able to show. so there is no reason to think supes COULD withstand being transmuted by g because beings who have tried are BELOW g in power. logically, his field would be manipulatable by g who has overwhelming energy control.

anyways, we agree in the holistic view, zeph -- g wins

you should never go by the spank order.
It is faulty. This is a fact.
You should go by each own abilities and powers.
Superman has been shown to have more than enough power to kill Galactus.
Is this false? Answer me!
Superman has been shown to resist forces (including transmutation) that is greater (if not equal) to what Galactus can give.
Is this false? Answer me!

If you refuse to answer those questions then I guess that means your bias. Right?

note: when arguing who vs. who. It is not sound to use someones low points if it contradicts their high points. If that is the case then one should use only the high points. And superman with his high points will kill Galactus. Is this false? Answer me!

y!!*P

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