Originally posted by leonidas
😑what's with the hostility? now you're TELLING me what i want? a bit presumptuous, no? a couple quick questions:
1. did he lose to superman in a 1on1 battle in the superman v darkseid one-shot?
2. did he beg off, declaring he couldn't use the o-beams because supes beat him so bad he was blind?
if that was retconned, please tell me. if it was an avatar, please tell me. i think the o-beams should have DESTROYED ww's bracelets, btw -- they are only pantheonic level, after all. once upon a time, darkseid ate up skyfathers and spit them out.
i usually respect your opinions, jun, but i certainly don't need to be told what i'm thinking. i would like to know where and when his defeat by orion was retconned, though.
Leo your right. What you have been saying is common sense. DS will regain his former glory soon enough. but that wasn't change what's been going lately with and how Dc writers over the years look bad very bad even his avarts should kick ass but they don't. They need DS be Ds stop f**king around with him let him be the main man in his universes like Thanos is in marvel.
Back to the thread a normal Galactus or Full powered Galactus is so far above any superman it's not even funny, they are all powered by solar energy right ! that's food for Galactus. Also people forget that Galactus can rearrange molecules on a cosmic scale turn immortal hercules into a f**king pig just by looking at him, over all Galactus has too many powers and abilities superman will fall just like any other super heroes crazy enough to fight a cosmic deity.
Originally posted by leonidas
your 'spank argument' CAN hold water in some cases. what if robin was the one continuously beating/hurting him? would it still be inappropriate to use it?i'm clearly not gonna convince you that g beats supes here, but just a last couple comments:
who cares if he can blow out a star? not gonna help him much in a fight with g, is it? the solar system thing was done with magic BEANS! thread starter doesn't say he gets magic beans for this fight or maybe he COULD win . . . besides, solar systems are a might tiny compared to GALAXIES . . .
he survived an H-bomb? 😕 so? g has destroyed GALAXIES!!
kosmos was NOT magical, he had a sort of cosmic power. luthor's armor was not magical. brainiac is not magical. parasite has leeched supes powers and left him near death. not magical. and yet you say the spank argument is no good. you may not like it, but, unfortunately it's all we have for comparison because . . .
NO ONE HAS YET GIVEN EVIDENCE THAT HE HAS BEATEN SOMEONE ON GALACTUS'S LEVEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hence, we HAVE to compare how he's done against people BELOW g, and in MANY MANY cases, he has not done very well . . .
i'm thinking you've not read many pre-c superman issues. you keep speaking in generalities and keep reiterating the same points, many of which are simply forum-speak.
who has hurt g? a very weak g was chased off by a god blast (a god blast has also done great damage to the mightiest of all celestials!) teams (high powered teams) have also chased off a very weak g. moderate strength g has basically one-shotted thanos (who battled a whole issue with odin), battled an extended time against hunger, a multiversal entity and absorbed/destroyed a celestial. all that among being named brother to eternity and death and eventual equal. there are many other feats i could name or list, but i really don't see the point. by now everyone BUT you is convinced.
oh, and supes was NEVER shown taking pre-c darkseid's omega effect. he did have his arm broken by him and in cosmic odyssey a single back slap sent supes effortlessly flying -- twice. current supes has taken it and it is speculated that the reason for that is supes is important to the source. but current ds has really sucked, so that may or may not be true.
about the only thing i can't prove on panel is that g can time travel. seems illogical though seeing as how ss does so easily.
and about g's origin . . .
you didn't really ask me to prove that g was present at the birth of the universe, did you? 😕 that would speak to a ridiculous lack of knowledge on your part about g and throw into question the whole point of discussing this with you. though it might explain why you think supes wins this . . .
you make good points.
You are using low points of superman which contradicted his high points. His power levels were always changing. At the time of his low points his powers levels were low. So I bet you, if Superman faces any one of whom you mentioned to have bested him (I doubt it) in the time of his highest points or power levels then he would certainly shown himself to be dominant in all respects over them.
but magic caused the sneeze. not the power of it.
I've never seen pre-superman get hurt. Prove this.
Being hit away doesn't count.
G was 20ft or more when Thor ran him away. That was not his most powerful form but not his weakest either. I would say regular- (like in B-).
If I am God and I show great power then why do I have to show who I beat in order to prove I can beat so and so? This is just an example of why it is not necessary to show who superman has beat in order to show that he can beat g.
Galactus has never destroyed galaxies (I am fairly sure about this one)!
But I'm sorry. You are right. He was present at the beginning of this universe. I read that he was a regular person (being) from an advanced planet. I didn't read the rest of the story. But the rest of the story tells of the destruction of the previous universe and the birth of this universe (and in which he became Galactus).
Let me ask you something. What amount of strength is needed in order to punch G in which he would be hurt or killed?
Does surviving inside the core of a star show someone is invincible to any energy attack of G (except kryptonite) or is G's power is greater than that of a star?
note: those are genuine questions (not rhetorical). Meaning that I don't know the answer to them. So please enlightment me so that I may greatly consider changing my side to "Galactus wins".
NO version of Superman will ever beat a normal or full powered Galactus. Galactus not jobber is one of the modt powerful beings in comics today, he will turn superman into giant bowl of jello.
Which one is greater?
Superman sneezes a galaxay out of existences or Galactus destroying the marvel universe ? 😉
Originally posted by h1a8
Let me ask you something. What amount of strength is needed in order to punch G in which he would be hurt or killed?Does surviving inside the core of a star show someone is invincible to any energy attack of G (except kryptonite) or is G's power is greater than that of a star?
note: those are genuine questions (not rhetorical). Meaning that I don't know the answer to them. So please enlightment me so that I may greatly consider changing my side to "Galactus wins".
first question: i don't know if ANY level of simple strength would be enough. who've gotta realize that while g has a suit of armor, and he can be hurt by sufficient power, he is at his essence a being of pure, primordial energy. he's just not really a character imo that can be overwhelmed with purely physical force. someone else may say different. someone may bring up krona (a multiversal level threat) and how he punched g and beat him, but it was pretty clear to me that krona also used 'power' to overwhelm g. and of course krona WAS UBER, a multiversal level threat. same might be said of inbetweener, another very high level cosmic and even inbetweener couldn't overcome him this way.
second question -- g himself has easily destroyed stars AND absorbed them. there are many characters capable of existing inside of stars who are literally insects beside galactus. gladiator, ss, any herald, probably, among others.
you are MORE than entitled to your opinion, and against almost anyone else i'd likely be on your side. g does act the jobber at times, but absent pis/cis or inexplicable 'new powers' on supes's part i just can't in good conscience say supes wins this one. 🙁
Originally posted by Zahit
could pre-crisis superman and galactus team-up to defeat my hangover?
LOL
i duno
thats a tough call
Superman might be able to travel back in time to before you had a hangover and warn you, this would alter reality in its current state and your hangover might vaporize, along with your memories of wherever you were drinking ni the first place
could be PIS tho and it might not work
Man...
I wish the Superman fanboys would give up on this one....
I LOVE Superman as much, if not more, than the next person.
I have multitudes of Pre-Crisis Superman comics.
I know and respect his feats and I will argue on PreC Superman's behalf against ALMOST any adversary.
But against Uber-Cosmic beings, he simply cannot win. ❌
Pre-Crisis Superman himself has performed feats on a cosmic scale, but anything that he can do, Galactus can undo with a blink.
And anything that Superman can throw at Big G, Big G can throw back and then some.
Pre-Crisis Superman IS immune to physical injury - there's no point arguing that with me, I can give many scans to back this up. He has felt pain before and been dazed, but never physically injured without the influence of knite/magic.
But the key to this battle is that Galactus WON'T be using physical force...
He'll just be manipulating matter on a cosmic scale.
Superman WILL bring a fight to the table and he has the pure power to rumble with Galactus.
But he does NOT have what it takes to DEFEAT him.
This coming from a big Superman fan.
Galactus wins 10/10
🙂
Originally posted by Darth_Erebus
No version of Superman can beat Galactus, especially a fully powered Galactus. At normal power Galactus destroyed numerous Galaxies in his battle with Tyrant. At full power The Watcher has stated Galactus can destroy the universe. Pre Crisis, Prime, Sun Diipped, blah, blah, blah. All fleas to Galactus.
Sure he destroyed galaxies.
And Mickey Mouse did too.
Prove that Galactus had ever destroyed a galaxy.
And quotes hold no water. Only feats.
You must didn't read my post.
Superman sun dipped in the sun for only a few moments yields thousands of galaxies worth of power. How can G take on someone who has more than thousands of galaxies of power.
Originally posted by h1a8
Sure he destroyed galaxies.
And Mickey Mouse did too.
Prove that Galactus had ever destroyed a galaxy.
And quotes hold no water. Only feats.You must didn't read my post.
Superman sun dipped in the sun for only a few moments yields thousands of galaxies worth of power. How can G take on someone who has more than thousands of galaxies of power.
genis has destroyed the universe, and galactus>genis
one more thing, why the hell would galactus destroy the universe? he needs to feed.
galactus will kill superman like a kryptonian insect that he is.
galactus makes beings at will more powerful than superman.
i'm pretty sure he can just read superman's molecular structure and know he's weak to kryptonite and just blast him with a k-beam leaving him to an inch of his life, so he can be his new herald.
superman is a super human. galactus is an omnipotent being. if he felt like it, he can clone an army of supermen
Originally posted by Darth_ErebusExcept Pre-Crisis wielding The Sword of Superman. Galactus would have no chance then.
I just read Silver Surfer #10 where Eternity acknowledgeed Galactus as his equal. [b]NO WAY IN HELL is ANY version of Superman on that level of power. Fanboys please give it up. [/B]