wonder woman helped pulling planet more than once
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/8298/jla058140ov.jpg
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/593/jla75p414hj7iu.jpg
catching and stopping meteorite
http://img222.echo.cx/my.php?image=jlatitans3wwasteroid1oi.jpg
Holds a falling chariot above in the sky
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http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/5453/jla007141xj.jpg
imo these strength feats surpass hulk
Originally posted by MrMind
wonder woman helped pulling planet more than once
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/8298/jla058140ov.jpg
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/593/jla75p414hj7iu.jpg
catching and stopping meteorite
http://img222.echo.cx/my.php?image=jlatitans3wwasteroid1oi.jpg
Holds a falling chariot above in the sky
http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/1235/jla007133gb.jpg
http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/5453/jla007141xj.jpg
imo these strength feats surpass hulk
How do you figure that any of these feats of strength even come close to stopping a planet from exploding, by matching and exceeding the pressures that were tearing the planet apart in the first place?
An explosion that can scatter the weight of mass x, is greater in weight than the sum of mass x. Like I said, Wonder Woman may not have moved 1/3 of the earth, while we know that Superman's super flight has allowed him to move things that he could not move by lifting them alone. She is in no way as strong as the Hulk, and like I said he can increase his strength output. Your scans of her lifting those things are impressive, but they are by no means more impressive than no selling the explosion of an entire planet by overcoming the explosion due to sheer strength.
Diana is actually far below the Hulk in the strength dept.
Really? Have you ever read a single Hulk comic then? Seems yo me as if you're drawing your conclusion based off which character you like better. Otherwise, please explain to me how any of the feats below:
Originally posted by MrMind
wonder woman helped pulling planet more than once
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/8298/jla058140ov.jpg
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/593/jla75p414hj7iu.jpg
catching and stopping meteorite
http://img222.echo.cx/my.php?image=jlatitans3wwasteroid1oi.jpg
Holds a falling chariot above in the sky
http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/1235/jla007133gb.jpg
http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/5453/jla007141xj.jpg
imo these strength feats surpass hulk
ecxeed:
1 - Obliterating an asteroid with ONE punch, that is TWICE the size of planet Earth.
2. physically exceeding an energy forcefield that had enough power to stop, and reverse the rotation of planet Earth (Wonder how many septillions of tons of strength that one took?)
3. The Planet Hulk feat described by Stoic - Containing an explosing planet is one heck of a feat. Imagine holding a grenade in your hand. How many pounds does it weigh? A few at most? Now what if it's attempting to explode? Would you be able to resist the outward pressure and keep your fingers and hand closed around it?
No being on Earth could do this. Not only would your hand be blown off, but you simply would not have the strength to contain such energy. In the same way, Hulk not only had to overcome the quadrillions of tons of the land mass itself, but this was not dead weight. He had to overcome the fact that they were drifting away, plus the planet itself was attempt to tear itself apart and explode.
This makes the task several orders of magnitude more difficult, and thus he had to exert far more pressure to hold it together.
Can we say how much? It would be nothing more than guessing of course, so we don't. But it's still one heck of a feat. And looking at the 3 mentioned above, how about you tell us how the feats you described place WW on a higher level than Hulk?
I imagined my point was quite clear and required no explanation, but it appears I was mistaken. Let me rehash - QUOTING FIGURES for a feat that has absolutely no basis for comparison is pointless, as it amounts to speculation.
As I stated before, if you cannot tell me how much of the weight she was lifting, then why attempt to quote stats at all?
Does this mean the feat is worthless? No, I did not say that anywhere, and I wish you'd stop jumping to conclusions that amount to putting words in my mouth. The feat can still be used as an example of her tremendous strength, but claiming she was lifting XXX has no place in a debate when it cannot be substantiated.
Feats with multiple characters are difficult to quantify and you know this. Stating "she is close to his/her strength so she must be..." Is once again more speculation as you well know that in comics, power levels can WILDLY fluctuate based on who is writing, who is jobbing at the time, who is being showcased, this, that, and the other thing.
That was my point. Hope that was clear enough...
Originally posted by Omega Vision
So because no exact figures are given the feat is worthless?This seems to be what you're getting at. If that is what you're aiming for then its downright trollish.
I agree that she isn't going to be completely overwhelmed. From what I've seen in this, and other threads WW does have the durability, and skill to meet opponents with superior strength.
To be clear, I have never once made this claim. In fact, I've mirrored your assessment that previous incarnations of Hulk would likely lose to WW at least 5/10. Current Hulk though is on another level IMHO as he fights in a more calculated fashion, and maintains a higher base strength level.
Originally posted by Q99
It's a simple three variable puzzle based around a single huge constant where we already know she can hang with the strongest of the three variables.Math doesn't leave all that much room for question here.
Regardless of who you think wins though, she's obviously not going to be totally overwhelmed, she's got massive strength and toughness feats and can both take hits from him and give 'em back.
The idea that she's going to be totally overwhelmed because of '100 trillion ton feats,' is silly. She can hang in this class and it's going to be a real fight.
The downplaying a few of the poster here try... well, I'm not ever sure why they try it.
I don't have a problem with people who think Current Hulk would win. I do have something of a problem with people who try and do so via poor arguing and blatant undercutting, in other words. It's really not a convincing argument.
You mean other than the on panel evidence, and feat during the test where Superman is told that his strength has "tripled AT LEAST." I'd say that's pretty definitive, and backed up by the on panel feat.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
The idea that All Star Superman is any stronger than Current Superman has no basis in actual feats.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Lifting>pulling.And how exactly do you quantify pulling 1/3 of the earth?You can't.
Pulling in space > Lifting if it's done at an acceleration rate of more than 1 G, = if it's done at a rate of exactly one G, and < if it's done at a rate of less than one G.
If it's done at 2 gs, it's twice as much, 3, three times as much, and so on.
Originally posted by MrMindhulk lit up a galaxy with a blow, destroyed a meteor with twice the mass of the earth with a blow, could have destroyed the planet by taking a step on it, could have detroyed the planet by flexing his leg muscles, kept a planet from exploding, held tectonic plates, held matter and antimatter apart, grabbed a ball of imaterial energy out of the air, walked througha repulsion field that repelled reality itself away, etc.
why not, she did move 1/3 of earth, hulk only lifted a mountain
just because she's not looking so scary muscular like hulk doesn't mean she's not stronger 😉
She is nowhere near as strong as he is going by their highest feats alone, his feats dont even bother with logic or common sense. She can, however, defeat him through her superior speed and the lasso. Seen as he is stronger than ever and has bannertech on top of everything, I'd give him a majority.
Originally posted by ctnn1
You mean other than the on panel evidence, and feat during the test where Superman is told that his strength has "tripled AT LEAST." I'd say that's pretty definitive, and backed up by the on panel feat.
AS Superman is in another continuity, so there's no indicator that his base level was = to Current Superman.
Also that strength feat wasn't above anything Current Superman is capable of.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
facepalmBy the way, Diana's best strength feat most likely is her catching that big piece of falling city/meteor. And she did not pull 1/3 of the Earth. That would imply all of those who participated in the encounter were equal. Diana and John are more or less the same level while Superman is above them both strength wise.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
facepalmWonder Woman is not stronger than the Hulk. What the hell are you smoking? Hulk is without stronger than her. Easily. Especially the current incarnation.
Wonder Woman would get ripped in half in moments from what I've seen. Depowered and all.
By the way, Diana's best strength feat most likely is her catching that big piece of falling city/meteor. And she did not pull 1/3 of the Earth. That would imply all of those who participated in the encounter were equal. Diana and John are more or less the same level while Superman is above them both strength wise.
Her greatest non quantifiable feat is most likely when she along with Superman and Green Lantern I believe slowed the decent of the Spectre by pulling on his cape. Mehtastic but whatever.
This...
I'm almost inclined to call this fight SPITE in wwh favor.
Originally posted by MrMind
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her strength is on par with superman, so I say she's pretty close to pulling 1/3 of earth
and it will take hulk a long time to reach wonder woman strength
Its a pulling feat and why would it take wwh a long time to reach her strength when is base strength is already leagues above hers? If people like titus, despero, shaggyman, doomsday, and konvikt could rip her a new half, hulk should be able to do it easily.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Hulk has nothing to counter WW's sheer speed advantage. It doesn't matter if she's weaker than him when she can throw out about a thousand on-target punches for each of his misses.
Show me her punching someone a thousand times... naah, I can do better than that, show me her punching someone a hundred times... nope, I can do MUCH better than that, show me her punching someone 15 times in a second.
Ill be waiting for those feats. That's like me saying "wwh amps himself to unknown levels and punch a hole in reality and toss her a** in there. Its made up feats.
Her reflexes are insanely fast, but yea, she doesn't really do the "hundreds of blows in a moment" thing.
WW does have excellent flight and running speed though.
And she also does the occasional superspeed-to-lasso move.
Originally posted by carver9
Its a pulling feat
Which is greater than a lifting feat due to the fact the moon was being moved noticeably and thus was traveling at more than 1 g's worth of acceleration.
and why would it take wwh a long time to reach her strength when is base strength is already leagues above hers? If people like titus, despero, shaggyman, doomsday, and konvikt could rip her a new half, hulk should be able to do it easily. [/B]
Konvict. Good example:
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Not seeing the 'rip in half' there, she handles him quite well even though he's normally a team fighter.
She's fought Doomsday a few times and hardly gets ripped in half (does a lot better than J'onn does).
This is what I mean by 'bizarre downplaying.' You use examples of "Hulk's stronger than these people, who could rip her in half easily!" when said characters didn't do nearly so well.
Diana fights Trans-strength level people all the time.
Originally posted by Q99
Her reflexes are insanely fast, but yea, she doesn't really do the "hundreds of blows in a moment" thing.WW does have excellent flight and running speed though.
And she also does the occasional superspeed-to-lasso move.
Which is greater than a lifting feat due to the fact the moon was being moved noticeably and thus was traveling at more than 1 g's worth of acceleration.
Konvict. Good example:
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Page 4Not seeing the 'rip in half' there, she handles him quite well even though he's normally a team fighter.
She's fought Doomsday a few times and hardly gets ripped in half (does a lot better than J'onn does).
This is what I mean by 'bizarre downplaying.' You use examples of "Hulk's stronger than these people, who could rip her in half easily!" when said characters didn't do nearly so well.
Diana fights Trans-strength level people all the time.
I agree with everything that you said but do you honestly believe that konvikt is as physically as strong as wwh?
Originally posted by Q99Its also impossible to quantify how many G's battleworld was.
Pulling in space > Lifting if it's done at an acceleration rate of more than 1 G, = if it's done at a rate of exactly one G, and < if it's done at a rate of less than one G.If it's done at 2 gs, it's twice as much, 3, three times as much, and so on.
but hulk alone was supporting 150 trillion tons.
And lifting>pulling in space.
