Wonder Woman vs. the Hulk

Only looked at the top few pics, and to be fair, I only see 6 - 7 punches in those images, not the requested 15! j/k 🙂

Originally posted by Nephthys
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/26/1228690_560x867.jpg

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/26/1228691_560x867.jpg

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/16/1228635_787x1238.jpg

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/17/1228639_500x801.jpg

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t495714.html-Scroll down to the section on speed.

TBH, I was just assuming that since she can fight Superman without gettng massively speedblitzed and since she's moved near or above lightspeed before that she'd be able to punch at the very least a few dozen times a second. Plus I don't recall Hulk having a single speed feat to his name.

Originally posted by Stoic

She did not move it, and you can not begin to tell how much she did move. She may have only moved .00001 % of the planet. Which is why it is an unquatifiable feat, lets move on.

You can support Hulk without lowballing his opponents.

No need to go full on angry bro. In the words of an old wise bro "Odd thing to add nitpick..."

Originally posted by ctnn1
Based on your comment then, you view Omega Visions comment as beneath yours? Got it! Looks like we have some pseudo-psychology going on in this thread! lol 🙄

Originally posted by ctnn1
Only looked at the top few pics, and to be fair, I only see 6 - 7 punches in those images, not the requested 15! j/k 🙂

😄 😆 😆 😄 😄 😄

Man, don't laugh, you'll hurt my feelings. 🙁

According to the respect thread, the 2nd link in my post shows her blocking about a thousand lightspeed attacks at superspeed.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Assuming her contribution would be so small is trollishly illogical.

You can support Hulk without lowballing his opponents.

Your point is taken but it is moot. It does not matter how much she pulled, the fact is, she did not do it alone, it is an unquantifiable feat. Why should anyone have to defend themselves or be called a troll when this is so painfully obvious? Even if she did pull the planet on her own it would still leave her in the red. The Hulk can match her strength and add to it. Troll or not, at least I got my point across.

Well I hope I have.

Originally posted by Stoic
Your point is taken but it is moot. It does not matter how much she pulled, the fact is, she did not do it alone, it is an unquantifiable feat. Why should anyone have to defend themselves or be called a troll when this is so painfully obvious? Even if she did pull the planet on her own it would still leave her in the red. The Hulk can match her strength and add to it. Troll or not, at least I got my point across.

Well I hope I have.

Originally posted by Stoic
Your point is taken but it is moot. It does not matter how much she pulled, the fact is, she did not do it alone, it is an unquantifiable feat. Why should anyone have to defend themselves or be called a troll when this is so painfully obvious? Even if she did pull the planet on her own it would still leave her in the red. The Hulk can match her strength and add to it. Troll or not, at least I got my point across.

Well I hope I have.

Which is lowballing, an irritating form of trolling.

ctnn1
Looks like you're responding to the wrong person here. Try again.

Look at the start of each quote- I responded to yours, then I responded to Stoic's.

Stoic
She did not move it, and you can not begin to tell how much she did move. She may have only moved .00001 % of the planet. Which is why it is an unquatifiable feat, lets move on.

Point of order: If she moved that little, then that means Clark moved far more and raises his strength to higher, so you're just moving numbers around in a way that still gives Diana massive level feats.

Originally posted by Stoic
Your point is taken but it is moot. It does not matter how much she pulled, the fact is, she did not do it alone, it is an unquantifiable feat. Why should anyone have to defend themselves or be called a troll when this is so painfully obvious?

Except it's not remotely unquantifiable. It has distinct quantities.

It gives a rough range, not a precise figure, but the math simply cannot be done in any way that doesn't give Diana the ability to take or receive might equal to a significant portion of that needed to move the wound.

Cannot.

It's like saying "Oh, I'm trying to tell how tall a building is, and I can't get a precise figure, just that it's between 10 and 15 stories.... ah well, that's not exact so it's not quantifiable, so that doesn't prove it's higher than three."

Appeal to vagueness doesn't work when we have a vague range that objectively and quantifiably starts in the quintillions of tons.

We absolutely have a quantifiable feat here.

Hulk annihilates her. she can't realistically hurt him, she can't outlast him, she can't hope to match his strength and her speed advantage is nothing when Hulk's capable of reacting to high speed attacks and of devising battle tactics to take away such an advantage (like stomping on the ground to throw her off balance or thunderclapping the air to bring her down) ...

and that's all with reference to Savage Hulk, current Hulk is just spite. he'd kill her if he did the kind of ThunderClap to her, that he did to an amped Rulk.

Originally posted by janus77
Hulk annihilates her. she can't realistically hurt him, she can't outlast him, she can't hope to match his strength and her speed advantage is nothing when Hulk's capable of reacting to high speed attacks and of devising battle tactics to take away such an advantage (like stomping on the ground to throw her off balance or thunderclapping the air to bring her down) ...

and that's all with reference to Savage Hulk, current Hulk is just spite. he'd kill her if he did the kind of ThunderClap to her, that he did to an amped Rulk.

This...

If this is current hulk, it is spite.

Don't know why ppl keep bringing up the planet-pulling feat as some sort of usable feat for combat situations. Things is, this isn't a tug-of-war battle. Also, Hulk has feats that easily dwarf partial planet pulling.

Again, WW won't even come close to beating Hulk strength-wise. She won't outlast him. However, seeing as that she can fly and have access to some pretty cheap-o magical items, she can pull off some wins.

Hulk 8/10.

This thread has degenerated

1. Hulk did not defeat onslaught, reed richards and PIS did (unless it happened in reborn which I havent read).

2. Hulk has the far better strengh feats out of the two and almost all the absurd Hulk's feats that have been used here are quantifiable through rough estimates, but most importantly, we can tell the minimum force they'd demand and they're all ubber. This does not translate into an auto-win. there are ways around superior strengh like her superior speed and h2h proficicency and her lasso.

3. We can safely assume WW was towing between 10% (a low estimate) and 33% of the planet's mass. Saying otherwise is illogical.

4. WW is indeed much faster and can blitz the hulk. This does not translate into auto-win. there are ways arround superior speed - damage soak, hf, banner/hulk's innate sense of direction and trajectory calculation that lets him tag things much faster than he is.

5. Neither character would stomp the other, not even classic WW would stomp the clasic savage hulk. But I'll give current hulk the majority over her.

The Earth was going to break out of it's orbit due to the amount of water it was losing; All WW, Supes and MM were trying to do was provide enough force to counter-balance the amount of water that was lost.

BTW, they were failing.

Originally posted by 753
This thread has degenerated

1. Hulk did not defeat onslaught, reed richards and PIS did (unless it happened in reborn which I haven't read).

2. Hulk has the far better strength feats out of the two and almost all the absurd Hulk's feats that have been used here are quantifiable through rough estimates, but most importantly, we can tell the minimum force they'd demand and they're all uber. This does not translate into an auto-win. there are ways around superior strength like her superior speed and h2h proficiency and her lasso.

3. We can safely assume WW was towing between 10% (a low estimate) and 33% of the planet's mass. Saying otherwise is illogical.

4. WW is indeed much faster and can blitz the hulk. This does not translate into auto-win. there are ways around superior speed - damage soak, hf, banner/hulk's innate sense of direction and trajectory calculation that lets him tag things much faster than he is.

5. Neither character would stomp the other, not even classic WW would stomp the clasic savage hulk. But I'll give current hulk the majority over her.

1. The Hulk defeated Onslaught's physical body, and it was not PIS, to say that it was is to discount all of his punching feats, and some were even more impressive than obliterating Onslaught physical casing. To name one; The Hulk tore through a dimensional wall with his bare fists on two separate occasions.

2. I agree with most of this, there is no doubt that he will stop her from blitzing him, as he was seen doing so to the Sentry, and with ease I might add.

3. I don't agree with the amount that she was towing, because of having to factor in Superman's ability to tow more than either of them combined, due completely to his Super Flight ability. This is why the feat shouldn't ever be brought up for either J'onn or Diana. Superman is a different story, I can almost believe that he could have done it without those two... almost. I'm just hoping that no one takes this as me trolling the others, I'm just highlighting Superman's power set.

4. It most certainly does not translate into an auto win, we know that all character job at one time or another, except those characters that are seen once a year, and are supposed to be uber due to plot (Thanos)... The mere fact that the Hulk has countered blitzes so many times in the past dictates that Diana's would be cut short. The Hulk has considerable resistances to mind and emotional control, I for one do not believe that the lasso would work. Other have resisted it, so to say for certain that it would work, is to discount the Hulk once again.

5. I can see the current Hulk actually stomping her more times than not. He would be able to actually get so strong that her best punches would become ineffectual. Wolverine noted that his natural body armor had become tougher to penetrate, and he was in a calm state, just imagine how much tougher it became when he went World Breaker, and to add to this, he could have become stronger by far. Is this truly me trolling Wonder Woman, or is it what I read? "Someone please stop me" or some such is what he said. Keep in mind that Diana has been stopped by similar characters in the past, now if this is due to CIS, let's keep it in character.

I was laughing because I was joking, not at your post. Props for taking the time to dig up evidence to backup your comments. Good job.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Man, don't laugh, you'll hurt my feelings. 🙁

According to the respect thread, the 2nd link in my post shows her blocking about a thousand lightspeed attacks at superspeed.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Your point seems to be that because we don't have an exact measure of how the effort was distributed it is thus folly to make any guesses that don't put Diana's own contribution as absurdly low. Whether you outright state that or not doesn't matter when that's clearly what you're getting at.

Which is lowballing, an irritating form of trolling.

The thing here is that they all failed in the attempt. I was trying to point out Superman's uncanny Super Flight, and what it added to the effort. I obviously failed in the attempt which resulted in what seemed to be low balling. This however was not my intention, if you thought that it was, I am apologizing for irritating you or anyone else. This is the main reason that this feat should be noted but not dwelled upon as a means to present Diana with a strength feat, that she may or may not deserve. You get me?

Originally posted by Silent Master
The Earth was going to break out of it's orbit due to the amount of water it was losing; All WW, Supes and MM were trying to do was provide enough force to counter-balance the amount of water that was lost.

BTW, they were failing.

All three were failing, yet the Hulk contained an explosion due to sheer strength, and as I pointed out in an earlier post "an explosion that has the power to scatter mass x is greater in weight, than the sum of mass x". What does this say about how strong the Hulk is? Besides that, Superman and the Hulk are more similar than most people would at first think, after all they get their power from the same source. The difference is that the Hulk's is internal, while Superman's is external... well to a point.

No anger here - Just an eyeroll! 🙂

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
No need to go full on angry bro. In the words of an old wise bro "Odd thing to add nitpick..."

Originally posted by ctnn1
I was laughing because I was joking, not at your post. Props for taking the time to dig up evidence to backup your comments. Good job.

Its a one time showing and its irrelevant since she never displayed this during combat. That's like me using wolverine keeping pace and running right along speed demon as a legit speed feat when we know overall that he is incapable of doing this.

One question to the WW experts tho. I'm not all that much of an expert on her abilities (and the Respect thread offered little to answer my question). Whenever WW binds an opponent stronger than her, what's to stop them from just pulling her towards them and punching her?

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
One question to the WW experts tho. I'm not all that much of an expert on her abilities (and the Respect thread offered little to answer my question). Whenever WW binds an opponent stronger than her, what's to stop them from just pulling her towards them and punching her?

And even if they can pull her toward them how will they punch her if they're bound?