Wonder Woman vs. the Hulk

Originally posted by carver9
I agree with everything that you said but do you honestly believe that konvikt is as physically as strong as wwh?

Then non-Worldbreaker WWH? Sure. Konvikt was stronger than Superman, WWH was stalemated when put up against high-herald types.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Its also impossible to quantify how many G's battleworld was.

but hulk alone was supporting 150 trillion tons.

We've already established Diana is way beyond the 150 trillion ton level in both offense and defense.

And lifting>pulling in space.

No, that's not how the physics work out.

Lifting something merely means applying force to it equal to one G of acceleration. Pulling something is accelerating it, often at more than the acceleration that comes from 1 G. In fact, if a moon or planet is moved several times , we're talking many times that, since 1 G's acceleration is a mere 32 feet/second squared. 1 G is thus, needless to say, pretty darn slow compared to moving a celestial body measured in thousands of kilometers across.

I believe the point he was making is that all else being equal (This being the key point) lifting is far more impressive than pulling. Each one of us can pull several times the amount of weight we can lift. Using proper techniques one can even pull dozens of times his or her own weight.

Same cannot be said with lifting. The average human cannot even lift 80% of his or her body-weight, but can still pull many times that.

Of course the factors you threw in there modify the parameters, but I believe that was the point being made in the post. Just taking a wild stab at it anyhow.

Originally posted by Q99
We've already established Diana is way beyond the 150 trillion ton level.

[b]

No, that's not how physics works.

Lifting something merely means applying force to it equal to one G of acceleration. Pulling something is accelerating it, often at more than the acceleration that comes from 1 G. In fact, if a moon or planet is moved several times , we're talking many times that, since 1 G's acceleration is a mere 32 feet/second squared. 1 G is thus, needless to say, pretty darn slow compared to moving a celestial body measured in thousands of kilometers across.

It is still an unquantifiable feat on her part because the load was split up 3 ways. There really is no way of telling how much she was towing. I've completely disregarded that scene. Moving on, we should concentrate on feats that she has accomplished alone, unaided by anyone. They all pale in comparison to the Hulk's upper level feats. Many people think that Wonder Woman would be more than a match for even the Savage Hulk, or the mindless Hulk, but I would love to see Wonder Woman defeat Onslaught.

Then again even though she fails against people in DC that would be considered peers to Onslaught, I still see people running with the belief that Diana could defeat Onslaught, when someone like Darkseid would run the bag off of her. Mongul would slap the shyt out of her, and yet he wouldn't be able to untie the Hulks shoes in terms of damage output. What about DOS Doomsday, there is no way that he is on the same level as the World Breaker, and she couldn't stop him.

Originally posted by Q99
Then non-Worldbreaker WWH? Sure. Konvikt was stronger than Superman, WWH was stalemated when put up against high-herald types.

We've already established Diana is way beyond the 150 trillion ton level in both offense and defense.

[b]

No, that's not how the physics work out.

Lifting something merely means applying force to it equal to one G of acceleration. Pulling something is accelerating it, often at more than the acceleration that comes from 1 G. In fact, if a moon or planet is moved several times , we're talking many times that, since 1 G's acceleration is a mere 32 feet/second squared. 1 G is thus, needless to say, pretty darn slow compared to moving a celestial body measured in thousands of kilometers across.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
What?

Get out a calculator, and make sure that you add in the drag coefficient... wait is there drag to create friction in space? Hmmmm.

^ All the same.

Originally posted by Stoic
It is still an unquantifiable feat on her part because the load was split up 3 ways. There really is no way of telling how much she was towing. I've completely disregarded that scene. Moving on, we should concentrate on feats that she has accomplished alone, unaided by anyone. They all pale in comparison to the Hulk's upper level feats. Many people think that Wonder Woman would be more than a match for even the Savage Hulk, or the mindless Hulk, but I would love to see Wonder Woman defeat Onslaught.

Then again even though she fails against people in DC that would be considered peers to Onslaught, I still see people running with the belief that Diana could defeat Onslaught, when someone like Darkseid would run the bag off of her. Mongul would slap the shyt out of her, and yet he wouldn't be able to untie the Hulks shoes in terms of damage output. What about DOS Doomsday, there is no way that he is on the same level as the World Breaker, and she couldn't stop him.

Originally posted by Stoic
Get out a calculator, and make sure that you add in the drag coefficient... wait is there drag to create friction in space? Hmmmm.

BBZ there really isn't a point to dwelling on an unquantifiable feat. No one can really be sure how much she was dragging. The only thing that we know for certain is that Superman can move far greater weight, while using his super flight, than what he can move without it. Just dash the entire feat against the rocks and let's move on. No?

Originally posted by Stoic
BBZ there really isn't a point to dwelling on an unquantifiable feat. No one can really be sure how much she was dragging. The only thing that we know for certain is that Superman can move far greater weight, while using his super flight, than what he can move without it. Just dash the entire feat against the rocks and let's move on. No?

Originally posted by ctnn1
I believe the point he was making is that all else being equal (This being the key point) lifting is far more impressive than pulling. Each one of us can pull several times the amount of weight we can lift. Using proper techniques one can even pull dozens of times his or her own weight.

Same cannot be said with lifting. The average human cannot even lift 80% of his or her body-weight, but can still pull many times that.

Of course the factors you threw in there modify the parameters, but I believe that was the point being made in the post. Just taking a wild stab at it anyhow.

The difficulty in lifting something is ultimately static, dependent on gravity. It is overcoming gravity and lifting it to whatever height based on the hight of the person.

Pulling something has more of a variety. "Dragging slowly" and "at speed" are two very different things.

Many people can drag 400 pounds, how many people can drag 400 pounds at 10mph? I'm going to guess zero, even though there are some people who can lift that much.

Consider that the moon's orbit was changed significantly, so we're talking probably quite a few moon widths, and it has a diameter of 3476 km. Consider also the feat took place over, maybe, a few minutes. Think about how far it was pulled, thousands and thousands of kilometers, all of which has to come from them, which translates into a whole lot of power in pulling.

Stoic
It is still an unquantifiable feat on her part because the load was split up 3 ways.

And, here's the thing, that load was split among two other people, one of whom is around the same strength, and the strongest one is someone we know Diana can take no-hold-back hits from.

We have a definite quantifiable number in the Moon's mass, so we need to account for that with three people, with Clark's share being the highest. Now, if his strength is in the quintillion ton range, that means Diana's toughness is in the quintillion ton range.

Try splitting up 74 quintillion tons between three people in a way where the highest load is below the quintillion range.

Or splitting it up period in a way where the highest can be no more than 25% higher than the other two (and that's being generous to Clark IMO, I don't think he's a full 25% stronger than J'onn or Di).

Get out a calculator, and make sure that you add in the drag coefficient... wait is there drag to create friction in space? Hmmmm.

So little in the time frame we're talking about that it's effectively nonexistent. Photonic pressure of light, solar wind, and stray hydrogren atoms don't make for much resistance.

Looks like you're responding to the wrong person here. Try again.

Originally posted by Q99
The difficulty in lifting something is ultimately static, dependent on gravity. It is overcoming gravity and lifting it to whatever height based on the hight of the person.

Pulling something has more of a variety. "Dragging slowly" and "at speed" are two very different things.

Many people can drag 400 pounds, how many people can drag 400 pounds at 10mph? I'm going to guess zero, even though there are some people who can lift that much.

Consider that the moon's orbit was changed significantly, so we're talking probably quite a few moon widths, and it has a diameter of 3476 km. Consider also the feat took place over, maybe, a few minutes. Think about how far it was pulled, thousands and thousands of kilometers, all of which has to come from them, which translates into a whole lot of power in pulling.

And, here's the thing, that load was split among two other people, one of whom is around the same strength, and the strongest one is someone we know Diana can take no-hold-back hits from.

We have a definite quantifiable number in the Moon's mass, so we need to account for that with three people, with Clark's share being the highest. Now, if his strength is in the quintillion ton range, that means Diana's toughness is in the quintillion ton range.

Try splitting up 74 quintillion tons between three people in a way where the highest load is below the quintillion range.

Or splitting it up period in a way where the highest can be no more than 25% higher than the other two (and that's being generous to Clark IMO, I don't think he's a full 25% stronger than J'onn or Di).

So little in the time frame we're talking about that it's effectively nonexistent. Photonic pressure of light, solar wind, and stray hydrogren atoms don't make for much resistance.

Originally posted by Stoic
It is still an unquantifiable feat on her part because the load was split up 3 ways. There really is no way of telling how much she was towing. I've completely disregarded that scene.

Originally posted by Stoic
Many people think that Wonder Woman would be more than a match for even the Savage Hulk, or the mindless Hulk, but I would love to see Wonder Woman defeat Onslaught.

here's the thing diana moves FTL, planet pulling strength with that kind of speed, F=ma ............ that's hell lot of force

Huh???? Are you serious? Your argument amounts to:

None of Hulks feats are quantifiable outside the holding up the mountain range, yet I'm going to choose to compare one of WW's NONquantifiable feats, and compare it to Hulks QUANTIFIABLE feat, thus completely ignoring any of his feats that trump hers...

Seriously? Just makes you sound desperate bud.

Originally posted by MrMind
these three are in the same strength range, wonder woman is close to superman strength
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/...stats_super.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/...tshdh_super.jpg
all the hulk strength feats people listed here, only holding up mountain is quantifiable
yet helped pulling moon or earth>>holding mountain

he cracked onslaught armor..... 🙁 and that's quite pis

here's the thing diana moves FTL, planet pulling strength with that kind of speed, F=ma ............ that's hell lot of force

^Why do you quote posts after your reply to them?

Because he's showing that their opinions are beneath his.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
^Why do you quote posts after your reply to them?

Originally posted by carver9
Show me her punching someone a thousand times... naah, I can do better than that, show me her punching someone a hundred times... nope, I can do MUCH better than that, show me her punching someone 15 times in a second.

Ill be waiting for those feats. That's like me saying "wwh amps himself to unknown levels and punch a hole in reality and toss her a** in there. Its made up feats.

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/26/1228690_560x867.jpg

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/26/1228691_560x867.jpg

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/16/1228635_787x1238.jpg

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/17/1228639_500x801.jpg

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t495714.html-Scroll down to the section on speed.

TBH, I was just assuming that since she can fight Superman without gettng massively speedblitzed and since she's moved near or above lightspeed before that she'd be able to punch at the very least a few dozen times a second. Plus I don't recall Hulk having a single speed feat to his name.

You mean, why do I click the quote button like many of the other posters in this very thread? Odd thing to add and nitpick...

Originally posted by Omega Vision
^Why do you quote posts after your reply to them?

Based on your comment then, you view Omega Visions comment as beneath yours? Got it! Looks like we have some pseudo-psychology going on in this thread! lol 🙄

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Because he's showing that their opinions are beneath his.

Originally posted by MrMind
these three are in the same strength range, wonder woman is close to superman strength
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/...stats_super.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/...tshdh_super.jpg
all the hulk strength feats people listed here, only holding up mountain is quantifiable
yet helped pulling moon or earth>>holding mountain

he cracked onslaught armor..... 🙁 and that's quite pis

here's the thing diana moves FTL, planet pulling strength with that kind of speed, F=ma ............ that's hell lot of force

"Wonder Woman is close to Superman in strength".

What is that supposed to mean exactly? The Hulk can exceed this static range of strength.

PIS you say? It would be if he hadn't accomplished bigger feats than that one, but he has, so it isn't.

She did not move it, and you can not begin to tell how much she did move. She may have only moved .00001 % of the planet. Which is why it is an unquatifiable feat, lets move on.

Originally posted by Stoic
"Wonder Woman is close to Superman in strength".

What is that supposed to mean exactly? The Hulk can exceed this static range of strength.

PIS you say? It would be if he hadn't accomplished bigger feats than that one, but he has, so it isn't.

She did not move it, and you can not begin to tell how much she did move. She may have only moved .00001 % of the planet. Which is why it is an unquatifiable feat, lets move on.

Hulk is physically stronger then anyone on DC or marvel Earth.