You Swanky-Tuna you are right I will never admit that batman can be beat. But then again Wonder woman has beaten the batman. And there are countless others. As a matter of fact I believe that wounder woman will have an easier time beaten that batman than superman will ever have.
I hope you all realize lifeisaglitch will not admit that Batman can be beat.
You know what I think you are right 😆
Ok, so you admit that Wonder Woman can defeat Batman. Now could you please explain to me why Superman can't do the same thing even faster/better than Wonder Woman? I mean, there's kryptonite obviously, but for every plan and strategy that Batman can think of to utilize that weakness, Supes can think of ten ways to get out of it (I'm determined that Superman is capable of being a better strategist than Bats).
When you say that Wonder Woman could beat Batman (which I agree with) you're pretty much saying that Wonder Woman could out-strategize Bats (which is basically Batman's best chance against these high powered characters). And if WW can, than I have to believe that Superman can too, and probably even better...
Originally posted by nigel45
Ok, so you admit that Wonder Woman can defeat Batman. Now could you please explain to me why Superman can't do the same thing even faster/better than Wonder Woman? I mean, there's kryptonite obviously, but for every plan and strategy that Batman can think of to utilize that weakness, Supes can think of ten ways to get out of it (I'm determined that Superman is capable of being a better strategist than Bats).When you say that Wonder Woman could beat Batman (which I agree with) you're pretty much saying that Wonder Woman could out-strategize Bats (which is basically Batman's best chance against these high powered characters). And if WW can, than I have to believe that Superman can too, and probably even better...
Superman should be capable but the writers don't utilize this attribute because if Superman was the best at everything, it would not be interesting.
Originally posted by David Duchovony
Superman should be capable but the writers don't utilize this attribute because if Superman was the best at everything, it would not be interesting.
See that's the thing. These threads shouldn't be based on what the writers have produced in the past, because than it brings in all the elements of who that writer prefers, what book they're writing it for, whether or not it would be an interesting read, etc...
Line these two heroes up. Give them all the powers and abilities that they have, realize that they will do anything to come out on top, Screw a biased author's ideas. Who would win?
If this fight goes down at the drop of a dime, Supes in .00005 seconds (that gives him time to think of wear he wants to hit Batman and whether it will be a lethal or incapacitating blow).
If Batman has time in the Cave before hand, considering his knowledge of not only Superman's weaknesses, but his strengths, he could figure something out. Superman thinks fast, but he doesn't think diabolical like Batman. Batman has the wildcard factor. Superman is always the favorite in a confrontation so his thought process, though really fast, is from a different perspective. Batman is always in the underdog perspective due to having no powers. He always has to find the chink in someones armor, however small it is, and exploit it. Superman knows that Batman isn't a match for him physically, but Batman is so unpredictable there's no telling how he'd approach the fight.
Supes should still win. If he plays for keeps he should be able to strike before Batman can pull out whatever implement he planned on using.
If Batman showed up with some kind of omnidirectional red light or kryptonite radiation emitter and a way to channel all of the electricity in Metropolis/Gotham into Supes brain, he might buy himself 10 more minutes. If he had something else up his sleeve, that may be enough.
I'd have to logically go with Supes though.
Originally posted by Ok nigel45
, so you admit that Wonder Woman can defeat Batman. Now could you please explain to me why Superman can't do the same thing even faster/better than Wonder Woman? I mean, there's kryptonite obviously, but for every plan and strategy that Batman can think of to utilize that weakness, Supes can think of ten ways to get out of it (I'm determined that Superman is capable of being a better strategist than
Bats)
When you say that Wonder Woman could beat Batman (which I agree with) you're pretty much saying that Wonder Woman could out-strategize Bats (which is basically Batman's best chance against these high powered characters). And if WW can, than I have to believe that Superman can too, and probably even better....
Please do not put words in my mouth, I mainly stated that wonder woman stands a better chance of defeating Batman because she has no apparent weakness.
Wonder woman out-strategize the batman, if darksied can not do it, then wonder woman can. sure friend sure.
Now how do you guys think of batman out-strategize darksied the self proclaimed god. of apocalypse rumoured to actually rule other gods?
I apologize. The way that came out did sound like I was trying to put words in your mouth. But here was my logic behind it: You have been saying (from what I've picked up) that you believe that Batman will be able to defeat Superman by using his superior strategic mind. If that was an incorrect assumption on my part, please tell me.
Then, you seemingly admitted that Wonder Woman would defeat Batman. Now, I assumed that since Wonder Woman is too powerful for Batman straight up (like Superman) that Batman's only hope would be creating a strategy to use against her. I then assumed that since you seem to believe that strategy is how Batman wins against other more powerful foes, that you also somehow believed that WW would "out-strategize" Bats.
Then I posed the question that if this is truly what you believe, then Superman should be able to out-strategize Batman.
I doubt that if Batman can come up with some brilliant strategy to beat Superman, he can't come up with a seemingly less-brilliant strategy to beat WW.
Originally posted by nigel45
I apologize. The way that came out did sound like I was trying to put words in your mouth. But here was my logic behind it: You have been saying (from what I've picked up) that you believe that Batman will be able to defeat Superman by using his superior strategic mind. If that was an incorrect assumption on my part, please tell me.
I have you seen a batman comic where he just goes in guns blazing with out a strategic plan? And I do believe you should read the new superman comic titled Superman/batman #10 to 13 (If you have read any of batman comics you should know this.) Read Frank Millers Dark Knight one and two. And HUSH.
Originally posted by nigel45
Then, you seemingly admitted that Wonder Woman would defeat Batman. Now, I assumed that since Wonder Woman is too powerful for Batman straight up (like Superman) that Batman's only hope would be creating a strategy to use against her. I then assumed that since you seem to believe that strategy is how Batman wins against other more powerful foes, that you also somehow believed that WW would "out-strategize" Bats.
Check Out Wonder Woman The Hiketia, and tell me if there was any strategy on wonder woman's part. And don't be surprise if you found out that batman never once lost control of the playing field.
Most of the people that batman fights are too powerful straight up even. But when have you ever found batman to be unprepared. It is said that batman always carry some piece of kryptonite ring with him. As it is said that he would hate to be caught unprepared if he had to face superman. And batman's cape is lead lined so superman would not be able to see through.
Let me ask you something if superman cannot out strategies darksied what chance does he have to out strategies batman. I do not think that darksied can think (this is based on your earlier post) 10,000 strategies in a sec. or minutes because he can not move at light speed.
Originally posted by nigel45
First of all, Superman is sort of a second Flash and you people are insane. How can 10 scenarios beat 10,000? Within Superman's 10,000 I am sure there would be at least 1,000 that could top his. C'mon he has more effective options if he can process 10,000 different plans. Let's be realistic here.
This was bad thinking on my part, superman is the second flash. But I was trying to say that superman is not always in high gear the way flash is. And one more thing batman's 10 will still beat superman's 10,000 scenarios because all in all you still have to pick one. Let's be realistic here, who is the better strategist between the two?
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
I have you seen a batman comic where he just goes in guns blazing with out a strategic plan? And I do believe you should read the new superman comic titled Superman/batman #10 to 13 (If you have read any of batman comics you should know this.) Read Frank Millers Dark Knight one and two. And HUSH.Check Out Wonder Woman The Hiketia, and tell me if there was any strategy on wonder woman's part. And don't be surprise if you found out that batman never once lost control of the playing field.
Most of the people that batman fights are too powerful straight up even. But when have you ever found batman to be unprepared. It is said that batman always carry some piece of kryptonite ring with him. As it is said that he would hate to be caught unprepared if he had to face superman. And batman's cape is lead lined so superman would not be able to see through.
Let me ask you something if superman cannot out strategies darksied what chance does he have to out strategies batman. I do not think that darksied can think (this is based on your earlier post) 10,000 strategies in a sec. or minutes because he can not move at light speed.
I never once said that Batman is a bad strategist. I never once said that I think Wonder Woman is a better strategist. Hell, I never even said that Superman is a better strategist (only that I believe he is capable of it).
Here is what I was trying to say. Earlier, you in essence admitted that Wonder Woman would beat Batman. Now when you said this, I was confused. Superman and Wonder Woman have very similar powers, and by far the biggest difference between the two is that Superman is weakened by kryptonite. So I wondered, if he admits that WW can defeat Batman, why wouldn't he admit that Superman (whose powers are greater than WW) would be able to beat Bats as well. It didn't make sense to me that Batman's strategy could beat Superman, but not Wonder Woman. But I guess that is not what you were trying to say.
I'm through debating the strategy card. Not one of us can say anything beyond that Batman is CAPABLE of thinking up a strategy to beat Superman. No one knows what it would be, or if Superman could counter it with a strategy of his own.
Batman is smart enought to carry some kryptonite with him and with superman weak
he doesnt stand a chance against Batman.
I mean that Batman is the better strategist for that.
Batman has to find a way to adapt, and that the only way
WW could beat batman because she doesnt have any weakness as stupid as Superman
Do any of you agree.....