Originally posted by SamZED
Pete trained with his powers switched off by that SHIELD collar. So it boils down to a big guy vs a smaller guy who knows kung-fu well enough to hang in a sparring with Shang Chi. Pressure point attacks and killing strokes included. DCnU Supes gets wrecked. I know DCU Supes knows various MA including alien ones, but I dont know if he has any feats with them in powerless state. Pete's been shown holding his own against supervillains without his powers. Thats before he recieved the said training from Shang.
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Parker wipes the floor with Kent. Even Kal-El's alien MMA is not sufficient enough to deal with a main that is VERY WELL DISCIPLINED in MULTIPLE martial arts, and has saved the day, COMPLETELY POWERLESS, MULTIPLE TIMES. Clark is less used to his mortal form than Parker. ...And Parker is an experienced fighter/martial-artist.
Originally posted by Dark_Dream7Ten
Parker wipes the floor with Kent. Even Kal-El's alien MMA is not sufficient enough to deal with a main that is VERY WELL DISCIPLINED in MULTIPLE martial arts, and has saved the day, COMPLETELY POWERLESS, MULTIPLE TIMES. Clark is less used to his mortal form than Parker. ...And Parker is an experienced fighter/martial-artist.
Kent has plenty of experience without his powers, and he's trained in multiple forms of combat. This is a guy that trained with Batman and regularly sparred with Wonder Woman. Parker isn't even close to being able to wipe the floor with Kent. Capable of winning? Maybe. Easily? Not a chance.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He doesn't just have alien MMA, though. He also has training from Bruce, and has a fair bit of experience fighting without powers.The main clincher, however, is his size.
Parker is what, 5'10 and 167lbs?
Clark is 6'3 and 225lbs.
There's a reason they have weight divisions in all martial arts.
While size itself wouldn't be something that I would say gives him an advantage, I would argue that because of said size (and feats), Clark is going to have superior reach and damage soak to someone like Parker.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Kent has plenty of experience without his powers, and he's trained in multiple forms of combat. This is a guy that trained with Batman and regularly sparred with Wonder Woman. Parker isn't even close to being able to wipe the floor with Kent. Capable of winning? Maybe. Easily? Not a chance.
I'm not doubting Kent as a fight, and believe me, I respect him as a person, hero, and and warrior...But, Parker isn't just a disciplined fighter in one martial art. His knowledge rivals Wolverine's and Cap's own knowledge/skill (here comes the arguments). After the SECOND time that Parker COMPLETELY LOST his powers (it has happened A LOT in the "MARVEL-Main-Universe," FAR more than Kent lost his powers, which is another point, because while Kent IS USED to his mortal for, Parker is FAR-MORE-SO), and anyways, after Parker lost his powers/abilities for the SECOND time (gene-cleanser, administered by Norman Osborn in a fight), he dropped his sh!t, and traveled the world, with Cap, and Black Widow, learning and training in MANY/MULTIPLE martial arts. ...He got so good, that he took-on Doc Ock WITHOUT ANY of his powers...and WON.
Peter decided, at that moment, that he WAS "SpiderMan," but that "SpiderMan," was not him. "Spidey," was a symbol that was able to take what the citizens of NYC...or the world, in general...could not, and as such, the symbol made the powers what they were, not the other way around (Cap mostly put that philosophy in his head). ...Anyways, bottom line here is that Pete can go toe-to-toe with great martial artists, WITHOUT ANY powers.
Now, Clark, on the other hand, had Kryptonian MMA training (good training, agreed), and "BatFam-Training," BUT, he was trained, LESS-INTENSELY, and for LESS TIME, than even Stephanie [Brown] ["Robin IV"] was trained for, and she was trained the LEAST, of ALL of the "BatKids."
Parker can spar EVENLY with "IronFist," "Madame Webb," AND "Shang-Chi," WITHOUT ANY of his powers...and, While Clark is VERY skilled without his powers, this fight would be the equivalent of Bruce Wayne fighting Jason Todd (Jason AFTER he was trained by the "League of Assassins"😉. It would be a good fight, and it would last a while, but in the end Parker would take it.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Read more Superman comics.
Do not assume, that just because I do not LOVE "SuperMan," that it means that I do not respect him. I respect him IMMENSELY, and I HAVE read ANY AND ALL of his comics (PreReBoot, "Actions Comics, # 1, Through End;" "SuperMan, # 1, Through End;" "Man of Steel, # 1, Through End;" Etc...). I have read ALMOST [ALMOST] ANY AND ALL material, published, by "MARVEL," AND "DC," books included, and please do not ask me to "prove" it. No, I did NOT pay for over 90% of those comics (who has THAT much money..BUT, I DID pay for AT LEAST ONE comics, in EACH of the series that I have read). ...And the vast majority is electronic on my PC/Tablet/Phone. You try growing up, getting he crap kicked out you every day, for years, and needing someone/something to look-up to. Yeah. "SuperMan" was NOT that hero for me...he was far too UN-relatable, too...perfect. ...Now, "BatMan," "NightWing," and "SpiderMan," were the PERFECT choices for me. ...That got me into their respective "Comics-Companies," and as such, from the ages of 5 YO, to 14 YO (I'm 18 YO now), 90% of my time has been spent reading comics, of BOTH "MARVEL," AND "DC."
I have read ALMOST ANY AND ALL of ANY AND ALL of BOTH MARVEL-Comics' Publications, AND, DC-Comics' Publications!
I have read:
Action Comics Issue # 1-Termination; and Detective Comics Issue # 1-Termination; as well as, Flash Comics, through Termination; OTGL Green Lantern Comics, through Termination; Spiderman Comics, through Reboot; DareDevil; Cap. America; Avengers; New Avengers; Ascended Avengers; Young Avengers; Young Allies; Spider-Girl; Fantastic Four; X-Men; JSA (Justice Society of America); JLA (Justice League of America); Elktra: Ender Epitome (She Can Kill ME Any Day...Literally...). Comics; Rose Wilson/Ravager (Love That Girl). Stand-Alones; Howlers; Dark Knight; Batman; Superman; SuperBoy;; IronMan; Flash: Forward; Teen Titans, ORIGINAL TT; and many more (from both MARVEL and DC) (ALL, Of The Above, Have Been Read, THROUGH, TERMINATION, TO Re-Boot, Or To The PRESENT-TIME!) (I Also, Read: "DC-Comics' DCnU-Stories;" DC-Comics' "New 52;" "Ultimate MARVEL;" "MC2 MARVEL;" ANY AND ALL Of The SUPER-OLD Stuff! DC-Comics' "ElseWorlds;" MARVEL-Comics' "What-Ifs;" ...And, MANY, MANY MORE) Yeah, MARVEL And, DC, can be REALLY similar, sometimes (and, sometimes, REALLY DIFFERENT). They are really similar, but that's what Marvel and DC do! They copy each others main ideas, to keep up with competition.
Yeah, I know. They've been doing it since the 1930s. Batman and IronMan. Both Billionaire playboy philanthropists. Both have INCREDIBLY high-tech gadgetry. Both have AWESOME names and suits. Both are GENIUSES, and/or, have GENIUS-LEVEL intellects. Differences? Here are some differences: Batman doesn't need his suit to kick some a**. Stark could probably outsmart Bruce (...Somehow...). Bruce doesn't have a "heart problem." EVERYONE knows who IronMan is! NO ONE knows who BatMan is (Except for some explicit members of the league).
...PLUS, there are MULTIPLE OTHERS! SuperMan and Thor. Thor and Abin Sur. Thor and a NUMBER of Green Lanterns. SpiderMan and The Flash. Wally West and Peter Parker are two of the COOLEST college-super-heroes EVER! Their brands of comedy are SOOO IDENTICAL! I LOOOVE IT! Back-And-Forth, Back-And-Forth, Back-And-Forth! MARVEL and DC have too much competition (and it even shows, when the two companies do their collaborative cross-overs). ...But, hey the competition is AWESOME for their readers!!!!
I LOVE superheroes (AND supervillains)! I mean, who doesn't? We love them, because we live though them. We live vicariously through them. They do things that we WISH we could do! It's the truth. The best part about comics, movies, films, books, media, and FANTASY, in-general, is that we can live-out our greatest fantasies, hopes, and dreams, WITHOUT EVER getting hurt or wounded.
So, please, the one ting that I ask you is to not ask me to "Read more Superman comics." I love Supes, but please not nearly as much as some of my other heroes. So, please, do no challenge my comics credibility.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWAnyway, the part about Carpenter, Lord Rand and Shang is outrageous.
You idiot. The scans regarding what I said about Carpenter, and Shang were ALREADY posted. Please read the previous posts, before sounding...stupid.
Originally posted by SamZED
Here's Spidey's skills.Powerless.
http://i072.radikal.ru/0901/33/fdc510de1f1f.jpgTraining with Shang.
http://s980.beta.photobucket.com/user/ankur2292/media/skilltraininglesson2sha.jpg.html#/user/ankur2292/media/skilltraininglesson2sha.jpg.html?&_suid=1355679872452013400797291653593Later. Fights Shang using MA skills he aquired. (No spider sense)
http://s980.beta.photobucket.com/user/ankur2292/media/asm-31-32.jpg.html#/user/ankur2292/media/asm-31-32.jpg.html?&_suid=135567987411808751218623135555vs new Madame Web (Julia). She can see into the future so knows every move he's going to make still cant connect once. (again no spider sense)
http://s980.beta.photobucket.com/user/ankur2292/media/TASM666023-024.jpg.html#/user/ankur2292/media/TASM666023-024.jpg.html?&_suid=1355679876113022710609054178993Pressure point speedblitz of a team of supervillains who all have spider powers.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/823/prv9725pg6.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/829/prv9725pg8.jpg/Vs Spider-Woman (although mindcontrolled)
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/39/spiderwoman.jpg/vs Jackal's man-spiders
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/201/kf1u.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/268/kf2m.jpg/While blinded vs upgraded Kain.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/9396209/asm_671_024.jpg.html
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
What a load of bull.
And, because your opinion matters so much to me...I'll respect it. ...But laugh at it. How you can tell me whether or not my life experiences were a true telling or not, is beyond me, but I thank you for your input (who the f*ck admit to bullying as a kids, being a nerd, and a total comic-book fanboy, WILLINGLY, without good reason? ...Well, no one).
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWSo you admit you made up powerless Spidey fighting Shang, IF or Julia? Good.
Dude, seriously? I can't even post links, yet. It wasn't my post. I QUOTED it. Look on the guy who posted originally. I have the f*ckin' comics to prove it. ...Also, how would I possibly MAKE that? ...Is that even possible?
Are you serious? ...If COULD post links, and/or, upload pics/scans then I would be showing Paker's training BEFORE he met Shang (EXTENSIVE). Elektra, Cap, AND DD trained his ass. Honestly, where do you come off...
Oh, you are trying to work me up, and get me to get back on Valium, right? ...Well, it's working. Seriously, dude. I'd be willing to say that the fight is 50/50 chance of victory (60/40...70/30). Kent could win. Parker could win. We don't know, because guess what? It hasn't happened...and probably won't.
Oh, for the love of god, how do you guys not lose your temper on sites like this? I should go back to FaceBook and FanFiction... Sorry for losing my temper slightly. I didn't mean to call you stupid. I mean it. I mean, I mean that I am sorry...wow, that sounded highly uneducated.
But,seriously, those scans/pics/posts are NOWHERE NEAR fake (still wondering how one would do that...is "PhotoShop," really THAT good?). Parker is a skilled fighter/martial-artist. Kent is a skilled fighter/martial-artist, but he is, simply speaking, below Parker in level/skill.
Originally posted by Dark_Dream7Ten
Oh, you are trying to work me up, and get me to get back on Valium, right? ...Well, it's working.
Good one 😂
Parker had his powers (sans the ss) when he sparred with Shang mimicking some of his abilities and Julia.
Yes, I know that when Pete began training he was wearing the depowerement collar, but nothing shown in the comic proves he could/did "spar evenly" with Shang. Chi was going easy on him, teaching him and showing him various moves...
And I don't recall Parker w/o powers vs. IF incident.
Wait a minute...
I assume Kent has lost his super memory, which makes this a bit more fair on Parker.
Otherwise, if he retains all the memories he had of training, then it matters absolutely sweet phuck all that Spidey spent longer and had more intensive training than him. The guy learns medical textbooks in seconds, he could learn everything he needs to know about MA in an hour with WW and Batman.
