"A mind attack ISN'T a concussive force. Where do get this trash from? You are repeating this lie like its mantra. Telepathy is NOT a concussive force. "
If it delivers a concussion, what is it? A some how non-concussive, concussive force? Either way, her shield makes her invulnerable to mind powers. Do yourself a favour, read the comics, that's how people know she is. If you want proof, stop expecting everyone to rally around for you. Go pick up the comics.
"And since when is Sue Storm's shields protective against mental attacks?
You have never proved this."
Since Psycho-Man tried and failed. Not actually SINCE then, but that's a time that proves it.
-AC
"A some how non-concussive"
YES! You finally got it! A psychic attack is a non-concussive attack. It isn't a force at all! Delivers a concussion?! What are you smoking? Telepathy doesn't give somebody a concussion. It erases your memories and makes you go crazy. Good Lord. What is wrong with you? Telepathy is not a concussive force. It is the ability to manipulate and alter someones mind.
"Since Psycho-Man tried and failed. Not actually SINCE then, but that's a time that proves it."
Psycho Man succeeded. He turned Sue Richards into an evil persona called Malice. Reed Richards had to coax her back to her original self.
And is Johnny still a cosmic herald? You haven't responded to the Phoenix statement.
"YES! You finally got it! A psychic attack is a non-concussive attack. It isn't a force at all! Delivers a concussion?! What are you smoking? Telepathy doesn't give somebody a concussion. It erases your memories and makes you go crazy. Good Lord. What is wrong with you? Telepathy is not a concussive force. It is the ability to manipulate and alter someones mind."
I love the way you cut what I said in half and made it look like a quote.
"If it delivers a concussion, what is it? A some how non-concussive, concussive force?"
^^^ That was what I said. It was a question and you again dodged it.
Anything that causes a concussion, with force, is a concussive force. The force needed, in this case can be mental or physical. Telepathy on it's own is not a concussive force, but her shield protects her against it coz Psycho-Man proved that. He had to wait to get her when her shield was down. Secondly MY QUESTION WAS:
If someone is knocked unconscious, given a concussion, with a psionic or psychic blast, what is it called? A BLAST of a mental nature, not a blast from telepathy. READ the question and make sure you use the whole question.
"Psycho Man succeeded. He turned Sue Richards into an evil persona called Malice. Reed Richards had to coax her back to her original self. And is Johnny still a cosmic herald? You haven't responded to the Phoenix statement."
A) Not with her shield up he didn't.
B) Yes he is and has been for some time. If you wanna know what's going on in the comics............you know how to find out? READ THEM. If you can't be bothered to read and know about the people you are trying to discuss in detail, you are helpless and irrelavent.
As for Phoenix, you are putting her in to help your debate. I'm not putting Herald Torch in to help me, he is at that level now. Where's JEAN GREY now? Dead. YOU are making the assumption that WE have to refer to her most recent form.
-AC
Telepathy doesn't just knock somebody out. You're equating telepathy as a psybolt only. Telepathy is more than that generic definition. Telepathy enables someone to read minds, erase their memories, give them a stroke, shut down theirs senses. It's really quite pathetic that you can't seem to recognize this.
"As for Phoenix, you are putting her in to help your debate. I'm not putting Herald Torch in to help me, he is at that level now. Where's JEAN GREY now? Dead. YOU are making the assumption that WE have to refer to her most recent form."
Can anybody say HYPOCRITE? Your words : "Lest we forget that Torch is a cosmic herald".
Jean is dead. So? She's in this fight. And if she's dead let's go with form she was in before she died. All the FF4 and X-Men members are up to date except Jean Grey? What bull rhetoric is that?
Your arguement is hollow. Lots of wit and unecessary insults I'll grant you that. But you are completely avoiding one primary issue: Can Sue Storm block telepathy? No evidence. Just opinions as if they were fact.
Jesus, ok look. I'm gonna bring myself down to your level now and explain something to you.
I never said telepathy just "knocked" someone out. I was refering to a PSIONIC OR PSYCHIC mindbolt specifically designed to knock someone out. Why are you trying to make me seem as though I am equating telepathy to a knockout? Read this:
"If someone is knocked unconscious, given a concussion, with a psionic or psychic blast, what is it called? A BLAST of a mental nature, not a blast from telepathy. READ the question and make sure you use the whole question."
See the part where I said a blast of mental nature (Psi/Psyc), no a blast from telepathy? Yes.
Now try again.
You seem to think mind powers are not capable of being a concussive force. So if a mind bolt of force resulting in concussion (concussive force) is not a concussive force, what is it?
The thread is "F4 Vs Ice-Man, Nightcrawler, Colossus and Jean Grey".
Current. F4 would win with relative ease. Past.....more so.
Now if you'll kindly answer the bolded question above (yes I bolded the key terms for you also 🙂), we can move on.
-AC
"Okay, you've clarified that a mind bolt is a concussive force, but telepathy is a way different. It targets your mind, and then just wipes it off. When you hear the word bolt, it makes you think of a concussive force, but does wipe making you think of a concussive force."
I know telepathy is different, hence why I specifically made a point of saying "Not a blast from telepathy". If you read F4 comics you'd know that she is invulnerable, greatly, to anything involving the mind while in her shield. I'm not gonna spoon feed you anymore info on comics you are too lazy to read.
Why do I need to explain everything multiple times to you? It's so sad that people who can read and comprehend, have the sole intention of misinterpreting my posts just to start arguments. It can only be means of a retreat and an inner upset because you lack the ability to go against me.
Now unless Draco or you can come up with a way of proving how the X-Men will beat the Fantastic Four AND overcome the theories I have put forth, you have nothing.
Added challenge: Do it without Google.
-AC
Majority wins? You mean you and Draco thinking that the X-Men would win, means they would win?
You, Pr, Juggernaut74 and Draco Vs Me, Vic, Manjaro, Swanky, Wynndar, Zahit and Eleven inches.
We have the majority vote.
I also think Tron mentioned that he believes they would win. Don't hold me to that though. Either way, majority is ours if that's what you wanna go by.
-AC
Originally posted by laydiiplayette
sorry, that was my little bro. Anyways, r u sure that Sue is resistent to ALL mental forces and to all strengths. I think that Jean has an awesomely powerful mind, and if she is phoenix then is undoubtedly powerful enough tok break through one of Sue's shields.
In the Invisible Woman vs Thor thread, more knowledgable FF folk say her field has held up against thor, celestrials, and galactus.
Alpha is completely impossible to argue with. He refuses to recognize telepathy as anything other than a concussive force. For some odd reason he equates it as a cannonball hitting the shield. He ignores mindwiping, sensory manipulation, illusion-casting, etc. and just says that telepathy = mindbolt. *sigh* People these days.
"Alpha is completely impossible to argue with. He refuses to recognize telepathy as anything other than a concussive force. "
"If someone is knocked unconscious, given a concussion, with a psionic or psychic blast, what is it called? A BLAST of a mental nature, not a blast from telepathy. READ the question and make sure you use the whole question."
^^^ That's my 3rd time posting the quote. I've even bolded it for you and still you avoid my question.
If you're gonna keep making complete and utter BLATANT assumptions at what I mean while ignoring my posts, I'll take it as a retreat and a win. More knowledgeable people than you are saying that the F4 take it.
"Alpha, if I may ask, what is your definition of concussive?"
Force, mental (not telepathy, I mean BLASTS, mind blasts) or physical, resulting in concussion/knockout. CONCUSSive force.
Her shield is stood up to Thor, it stands up to telepathy and mental attacks/bolts (notice how I am again refering to them as two different things and Draco continually ignores them) so Jean isn't getting through it.
She isn't Phoenix in this fight. Draco said in earlier pages, and I QUOTE:
"X-Men win this. They have JEAN GREY".
Case closed.
Draco, if you keep being a complete antagonist for no reason, doing NOTHING to add to the thread but negativity and childish behavior (coz it's obvious I've won the F4/X-Men debate against you and her) then I'll report you. Coz you followed me into the GDF and started a provoking argument there also.
-AC
To Alpha Centauri
Telepathy isn't solely defined as a mental blast nor a psibolt. Jean doesn't need to unleash a big pink blob of pink energy to alter her thoughts our command her mind. A single thought is all that Jean requires. You're completely underestimating telepathy to a very narrow field when it isn't.
You haven't won anything. You have not proved that Sue Storm can withstand telepathy. You have not proved how exactly the FF4 will defeat the X-Men. You haven't proved anything. You completely dodge the question each and everytime.
Report Me? Please. Look at your previous posts. Insulting my intelligence and debasing me to nigh extent. I've already reported you. You'll lose this battle. I have not been stalking. I was in General Discussions way before you arrived. You are very very sad.